How do you win solo queue?

DJ Fuego··3 votes·1,186 views

Like just how? No wonder Riot made solo q available for a party of 5, NO ONE CAN WIN LANE. Literally how hard is it to just not feed? Is it such a hard task? For some reason, people get in game and decide to start their own Red Cross Organization. In which case, all they do is feed, feed, feed. By the time their lane is 5/0 or something, they roam to other lanes and just spread their power. In result, all other lanes that were somewhat winning, or going even, are now losing as well. And sure, go ahead, look at my match history and stats. Well, for some reason I can't even see my own ranked stats because the button is always greyed out. Look at my match history all you want, and I can guarantee you that you will not find a game where I applied for a job as a lunch lady and fed my ass off. I always win my lane, and if not then I go about even with a kill or two ahead or behind. I'm never the person who feeds their head off and goes 0/4 in lane. The worst case I can go is 0/3 and even still usually I'll just comeback easily with a roam or good skirmish. I never end the game feeding my ass off. So just how, how can people be so bad and be in the same elo as people who are actually good, because I've come across some pretty good players. If Riot had a system where you had to like tryout in order to be judged worthy enough to play ranked, they would be the people who would have to try out just to spectate a ranked game. And don't go telling me "Well if you're the only one fed, spread your power" because I don't think me as the 2/0 Zed or Kat or Talon or whatever, is gonna be able to gank and help the 0/4 Fiora against the 4/0 Renekton. People say to spread the power, but they don't understand the risk of it ending up in a double kill or worse. Especially, if you're not as strong as the other fed player. Like just tell me how? I would love to play with friends, but I don't always have close friends to duo with every time I play.

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Taric the Gay2 votes

You should press the enter key sometimes. It breaks down walls of text into more manageable paragraphs to read and it is easier on the reader's eyes.

One skill that nobody seems to employ nowadays is learning how to communicate effectively with teammates. If you have teammates who are feeding offer to give them advice. If you are knowledgeable enough about the game you can sometimes turn a losing lane into a winning lane by suggesting a strategy for them to follow or a specific item for them to buy.

My strategy is not 100% effective as you will get those inconsolable ragers but for the ones who are inexperienced at the game a simple minute of instruction/constructive criticism can go a long way. And admitting fault for a situation can also go a long way to improve team relations.

DJ Fuego1 votes

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You should press the enter key sometimes. It breaks down walls of text into more manageable paragraphs to read and it is easier on the reader's eyes.

One skill that nobody seems to employ nowadays is learning how to communicate effectively with teammates. If you have teammates who are feeding offer to give them advice. If you are knowledgeable enough about the game you can sometimes turn a losing lane into a winning lane by suggesting a strategy for them to follow or a specific item for them to buy.

My strategy is not 100% effective as you will get those inconsolable ragers but for the ones who are inexperienced at the game a simple minute of instruction/constructive criticism can go a long way. And admitting fault for a situation can also go a long way to improve team relations.

I mean I would love to give advice, I have a lot of knowledge of the game. Especially when it comes to champs and how to play them mechanically. Some people complain that I have only 2 rune pages (AD and AP), and yeah thats not very good, but I make up for it in mechanical skill. Its how I have such a high kill ratio, I have a very high outplay potential. So, I can give very good advice, but once someone starts feeding, its like a train that doesn't stop. I first go with a simple "Ok, lets not feed that person" or "Just hug tower". After that, then its just plain ignorance. I can't give people advice if they don't know how to listen to the simple first instruction, or mutes everyone in the first 5min. I can't control my teammates or how they do, and if I did I'd probably would have won over half my lost games. and really, if you are inexperienced at the game and you are in that elo, then how did you get there in the first place? If you're in gold, play like a gold, not like a bronze. If you play like a bronze while in gold, then how the hell did you get gold in the first place?

Taric the Gay1 votes

[{quoted}](name=DJ Fuego,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=UKm1X4w7,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2016-02-16T03:29:36.432+0000)

I mean I would love to give advice, I have a lot of knowledge of the game. Especially when it comes to champs and how to play them mechanically. Some people complain that I have only 2 rune pages (AD and AP), and yeah thats not very good, but I make up for it in mechanical skill. Its how I have such a high kill ratio, I have a very high outplay potential.

So, I can give very good advice, but once someone starts feeding, its like a train that doesn't stop. I first go with a simple "Ok, lets not feed that person" or "Just hug tower". After that, then its just plain ignorance. I can't give people advice if they don't know how to listen to the simple first instruction, or mutes everyone in the first 5min.

I can't control my teammates or how they do, and if I did I'd probably would have won over half my lost games. and really, if you are inexperienced at the game and you are in that elo, then how did you get there in the first place? If you're in gold, play like a gold, not like a bronze. If you play like a bronze while in gold, then how the hell did you get gold in the first place?

Rune pages give you a slight edge early on. Unless you go and give Riot access to your wallet (or purse) then you will be behind in this area. Generic rune pages are the way to go early on and you can specialize them after you've been here a while. A couple pieces of advice about rune pages are:
Never let your IP bank run below 6300 IP because 2x a year Riot likes to put on a sale where you can "buy one rune page and get a second page free" which is very useful if you plan to spend a couple years playing this game. Buy hybrid penetration runes. These work better on 90% of champions than straight AD penetration and 100% better on AP penetration runes. The AD penetration helps your auto attacks which helps your last hitting which helps your gold income which helps you do overall better in the game. Buy them at some point. Movement speed runes also positively impact everyone's gameplay so invest in those too at some point.

I'm trying to read into your perspective a little bit... you say you have a good KDA. While I have no doubt you are right that you have one, having a good KDA does not equate to winning games. No offense but this is what we refer to as "forever Bronze logic" that just because you kill more than you die you are better than the people in your games. Getting kills and assists will give your team an advantage but its what you do with that advantage that translates to whether or not you win the game. So next time you guys kill the mid laner assemble there and get in some free shots on their tower. Or group up and take dragon or even throw a ward into the enemy jungle camps. These little things add up and help you win the game.

People get be bronze caliber players and be in gold if they quit for a year and came back or if they bought the account. Or they are incredibly inebriated.

DJ Fuego1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Taric the Gay,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=UKm1X4w7,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2016-02-17T02:44:38.829+0000)

Rune pages give you a slight edge early on. Unless you go and give Riot access to your wallet (or purse) then you will be behind in this area. Generic rune pages are the way to go early on and you can specialize them after you've been here a while. A couple pieces of advice about rune pages are:
Never let your IP bank run below 6300 IP because 2x a year Riot likes to put on a sale where you can "buy one rune page and get a second page free" which is very useful if you plan to spend a couple years playing this game. Buy hybrid penetration runes. These work better on 90% of champions than straight AD penetration and 100% better on AP penetration runes. The AD penetration helps your auto attacks which helps your last hitting which helps your gold income which helps you do overall better in the game. Buy them at some point. Movement speed runes also positively impact everyone's gameplay so invest in those too at some point.

I'm trying to read into your perspective a little bit... you say you have a good KDA. While I have no doubt you are right that you have one, having a good KDA does not equate to winning games. No offense but this is what we refer to as "forever Bronze logic" that just because you kill more than you die you are better than the people in your games. Getting kills and assists will give your team an advantage but its what you do with that advantage that translates to whether or not you win the game. So next time you guys kill the mid laner assemble there and get in some free shots on their tower. Or group up and take dragon or even throw a ward into the enemy jungle camps. These little things add up and help you win the game.

People get be bronze caliber players and be in gold if they quit for a year and came back or if they bought the account. Or they are incredibly inebriated.

I get what you're saying about runes, but I never really had a problem with it. I usually easily get a lead once I get a little bit of damage off. I really should get more runes, but my goal is to get all champs first since the day I started League. Runes will be my priority after since there will be nothing else to spend IP on. So I'm not worried about runes. And yes, Ik KDA doesn't win games. But I can only do so much in my part to help win. I can't do everyone else's part, its their job to do theirs. I'm not the jungler, so I can't go around ganking 24/7 when I have a mid lane to worry about, I'm not a support and no where near a tank so it is not my job to peel the adc. My job, as an assassin, is literally to kill. That is the job description of an assassin. I wipe out whoever is the weakest and wipe out the enemies for my team to push. It would be different if I played a tank but I almost never play tank. Adc works kind of the same way, except I stay in the back line and kill people from there.

You also make it seem like I'm able to control and move my team where I want them to go. Do you know how many times I've pinged baron or drag or tower when their half their team is dead, but no one obeys. I can only do so much. In the end, its not me who can decide how the game ends cause I have almost no control. I hate when people say "If you lose, its your fault", when that contradicts a TEAM GAME. BUt how can you win if you don't have a team? You can't, no matter how well I can do, I can do my job perfectly, but if my team decides to feed then I cant control that. And don't say "Roam" because that is not always the solution. I can't be 2/0 and roam to a lane where the enemy is 5/0. It just won't work, it will end up in a double or they will just back up and I will have wasted exp in my lane for nothing. People need to understand that not being able to win because of a team not playing correctly is a something that exists. There is no solution to it.

If your team all loses lane except for you, but you don't even have a really big lead, you are just about 3/0 or 2/0, what can you do? Almost nothing, its not your fault you lost, you couldn't do anything and not because you caused it, because someone else did. Your team caused you to lose, not yourself. You can't help everyone, you aren't god, so you can't go into a lane and instantly double kill the enemy. The only way to win those type of games is if you yourself can control your team personally.

Trust me, I know exactly what I'm talking about. You can try and try, but those types of games aren't winnable. Ik because Im always the guy who ends up being the only reason the team is even alive at the moment.

Taric the Gay1 votes

[{quoted}](name=DJ Fuego,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=UKm1X4w7,comment-id=0002000000000000,timestamp=2016-02-17T23:41:35.522+0000)

I get what you're saying about runes, but I never really had a problem with it. I usually easily get a lead once I get a little bit of damage off. I really should get more runes, but my goal is to get all champs first since the day I started League. Runes will be my priority after since there will be nothing else to spend IP on. So I'm not worried about runes. And yes, Ik KDA doesn't win games. But I can only do so much in my part to help win. I can't do everyone else's part, its their job to do theirs. I'm not the jungler, so I can't go around ganking 24/7 when I have a mid lane to worry about, I'm not a support and no where near a tank so it is not my job to peel the adc. My job, as an assassin, is literally to kill. That is the job description of an assassin. I wipe out whoever is the weakest and wipe out the enemies for my team to push. It would be different if I played a tank but I almost never play tank. Adc works kind of the same way, except I stay in the back line and kill people from there.

You also make it seem like I'm able to control and move my team where I want them to go. Do you know how many times I've pinged baron or drag or tower when their half their team is dead, but no one obeys. I can only do so much. In the end, its not me who can decide how the game ends cause I have almost no control. I hate when people say "If you lose, its your fault", when that contradicts a TEAM GAME. But how can you win if you don't have a team? You can't, no matter how well I can do, I can do my job perfectly, but if my team decides to feed then I cant control that. And don't say "Roam" because that is not always the solution. I can't be 2/0 and roam to a lane where the enemy is 5/0. It just won't work, it will end up in a double or they will just back up and I will have wasted exp in my lane for nothing. People need to understand that not being able to win because of a team not playing correctly is a something that exists. There is no solution to it.

If your team all loses lane except for you, but you don't even have a really big lead, you are just about 3/0 or 2/0, what can you do? Almost nothing, its not your fault you lost, you couldn't do anything and not because you caused it, because someone else did. Your team caused you to lose, not yourself. You can't help everyone, you aren't god, so you can't go into a lane and instantly double kill the enemy. The only way to win those type of games is if you yourself can control your team personally.

Trust me, I know exactly what I'm talking about. You can try and try, but those types of games aren't winnable. Ik because I'm always the guy who ends up being the only reason the team is even alive at the moment.

It's going to take a long, long, long time to buy up every champion in the game. I would say 2+ years to get everything if you play every day. Buying runes allows you to "reinvent" the champions you already have. In time you will get to a point where there are no champions you really want to own right away and that's when you will want to invest in runes. You're free to do what you like but if you want to play ranked having a diverse rune page is immensely useful to your long term success.

Being an assassin is tough. Not just in mechanics but in what role's objective is. There is a psychological aspect to being an assassin where beating up on someone can make them tilt as, to me, their greatest contribution to the team is to set someone behind in gold income as well as confidence levels. I still feel like mages are better in the solo queue arena simply because a majority of them have great wave clear as well as utility to cover up an ally's mistakes. When not assassinating people some assassins can split push but fighters pretty much corner the market on this aspect. You can kill 3 of the enemy team but if your team isn't smart enough to capitalize on your contributions then your skill gets wasted. Assassins still need their teammates to capitalize on the openings they make and for this reason they aren't the best carry roles in solo queue. Try playing someone like Riven or Tryndamere who can still kill people when they feel like it but through split pushing and wave clearing can also take objectives too just in case their teammates aren't reliable enough to do this for themselves.

Everyone gets 90 seconds to pick a champion and lock in. Realistically you really only need about 10 seconds and the rest is just idle chatter about what the game plan is. You could all lock in prior to this to speed up the down time but why do that when you can use that time to get to know one another. I use this time to make a good first impression on my teammates. Make them laugh, formulate a game plan, recommend item set ups or just talk nonsense to keep the tension loose. Its not always effective but it helps get 1-2 of them on my side right on the on start of the game. Then when I make play calls later on in the game my likability factor comes into play and they follow my play calls slightly above that of other people on the team. You can control what they do in this sense, or at least that is how I go about it.

It is a team game, you're right. And not every game can be won. I think statistically 3/10 games are rigged to be lost and likewise 3/10 are rigged to be won simply based on who is in your games. Riot likes to say you have total control over whether you win or lose but really its not that simple as over half the games are decided by people other than yourself. So in the chance that everyone is equally matched, how you go about your games in the other 4/10 can determine whether you become a winner in the solo queue arena or not.

Usually when you're the only one on your team who is doing well try to advise teammates to do things that would help your succeed. Like telling your rammus to build magic resistance or asking your jungler for blue buff. If they question your advice explain why it is a good idea without coming off as rude. "Rammus we are up against 3 AP champions and Corki deals true damage anyway. You will survive longer if you build magic resistance for us" or "Because if I can get blue buff I can shove mid lane and take tower when Talon eventually roams bot lane looking for kills." Saying stuff like that helps me convince them to do what I want.

And you can take my advice or not, but at least for me it works.

DJ Fuego1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Taric the Gay,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=UKm1X4w7,comment-id=00020000000000000000,timestamp=2016-02-18T02:10:06.072+0000)

It's going to take a long, long, long time to buy up every champion in the game. I would say 2+ years to get everything if you play every day. Buying runes allows you to "reinvent" the champions you already have. In time you will get to a point where there are no champions you really want to own right away and that's when you will want to invest in runes. You're free to do what you like but if you want to play ranked having a diverse rune page is immensely useful to your long term success.

Being an assassin is tough. Not just in mechanics but in what role's objective is. There is a psychological aspect to being an assassin where beating up on someone can make them tilt as, to me, their greatest contribution to the team is to set someone behind in gold income as well as confidence levels. I still feel like mages are better in the solo queue arena simply because a majority of them have great wave clear as well as utility to cover up an ally's mistakes. When not assassinating people some assassins can split push but fighters pretty much corner the market on this aspect. You can kill 3 of the enemy team but if your team isn't smart enough to capitalize on your contributions then your skill gets wasted. Assassins still need their teammates to capitalize on the openings they make and for this reason they aren't the best carry roles in solo queue. Try playing someone like Riven or Tryndamere who can still kill people when they feel like it but through split pushing and wave clearing can also take objectives too just in case their teammates aren't reliable enough to do this for themselves.

Everyone gets 90 seconds to pick a champion and lock in. Realistically you really only need about 10 seconds and the rest is just idle chatter about what the game plan is. You could all lock in prior to this to speed up the down time but why do that when you can use that time to get to know one another. I use this time to make a good first impression on my teammates. Make them laugh, formulate a game plan, recommend item set ups or just talk nonsense to keep the tension loose. Its not always effective but it helps get 1-2 of them on my side right on the on start of the game. Then when I make play calls later on in the game my likability factor comes into play and they follow my play calls slightly above that of other people on the team. You can control what they do in this sense, or at least that is how I go about it.

It is a team game, you're right. And not every game can be won. I think statistically 3/10 games are rigged to be lost and likewise 3/10 are rigged to be won simply based on who is in your games. Riot likes to say you have total control over whether you win or lose but really its not that simple as over half the games are decided by people other than yourself. So in the chance that everyone is equally matched, how you go about your games in the other 4/10 can determine whether you become a winner in the solo queue arena or not.

Usually when you're the only one on your team who is doing well try to advise teammates to do things that would help your succeed. Like telling your rammus to build magic resistance or asking your jungler for blue buff. If they question your advice explain why it is a good idea without coming off as rude. "Rammus we are up against 3 AP champions and Corki deals true damage anyway. You will survive longer if you build magic resistance for us" or "Because if I can get blue buff I can shove mid lane and take tower when Talon eventually roams bot lane looking for kills." Saying stuff like that helps me convince them to do what I want.

And you can take my advice or not, but at least for me it works.

Now it won't take much longer since I have only 3 more champs to go until I have all of them. The only exception will be new champs that come out in the future. I really am not concerned for runes since my rune page is actually really flexible as it works for any champ of that type. My AD rune page works for all AD champs overall, while same goes for AP. Although, I will have more rune pages soon, just not yet. Im not trying to say I'm god or anything, but tbh my mechanical skill makes up for my lack of rune pages by a lot. This is really mostly because my rune pages consist of lots of damage, I have about 13 AD on my AD rune page(Not counting Armor Pen), and about 24 AP on my AP rune page(Not counting Magic Pen). I hear you out I really do, some people just don't listen to reasoning. And even when I do ask politely or try to give advice, they make the same mistake over and over again. The only games that can be easily won are ones where everyone carries their own weight. Those are the best games, since no one is feeding, and no one needs help from anyone else. Everyone can deal with their lane on their own without the requirement of a gank. Because really, ganks are there to help you, but you should really be winning lane on your own as it gives the jungler one less thing to worry about. Junglers now like to farm more than anything, with Sated such a good item all they want to do is farm until they have it. If lanes keep requiring help then it sets the jungler back. Sure you can get a kill from a gank which gives you a stack, but there is never a guaranteed kill. They could have bush warded or easily escape, which means time was just wasted and you could've gotten like 2 stacks with that time. Plus, kills are only 1 stack, while a simple Scuttler is 2. Now assassins have to be played right to be good, and I really do use them correctly and I get highly rewarded for it. Mages are too skillshot based and require you to usually hit one ability in order to be able to get the rest off. Once that one cc ability is gone you are very vulnerable. Its why I prefer assassins, its a quick way to get rid of the enemy carries, however usually I am the only one who can kill anyone or do any damage. I'm cant be all the damage and no matter who I would play, I cant be our whole damage. If I'm being focused by the enemy team because they see me as a threat, then my adc or even top laner should be shredding them as they would have no one on them trying to kill them.

MVP x Legend1 votes

Im having the same issue after i promoted myself from B4 all the way to b1 i started gettign all this players that have no idea what they are doing feeding like hell in the 1st 10 mins that no matter how safe you play ur lane or how good u are the other lanes they fed come over and just rape you i really dont get it how the team up works

DJ Fuego1 votes

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Im having the same issue after i promoted myself from B4 all the way to b1 i started gettign all this players that have no idea what they are doing feeding like hell in the 1st 10 mins that no matter how safe you play ur lane or how good u are the other lanes they fed come over and just rape you i really dont get it how the team up works

Yeah idk, its crazy. I don't know how people are just that bad. There is a difference between, having a bad game, and being dumb as fuck.

coryls941 votes

I just posted about this too, I get trolls and "Smurfs" who come in and either feed then afk, or feed and try to surrender, or inn general just lock and then afk. I went from Silver 2 to Silver 4 and have lost like 14 or so of my last 20 games. And even when I duo or trio queue, the other people usually still feed or troll and then flame my friends and I.

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