Nowadays ranked ,as i see it ,is very similar to those "1 diamond vs 3 silvers " videos. Total show off of strenght and experience of higher rank players and the most important almost regular abnormal feeds.
Now i ask myself ,is that good for the game in general and who "profits" of that strictly imbalanced system ?
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BestSupportGold2 votesAs a frequent ranked climber, I disagree. Just because someone tells you they're a particular rank, doesn't mean they are. A lot of the issues you face is when people capitalize on your mistakes. Which is why you should be comfortable playing the roles you select. I would also mention mechanics are a big factor as well. Make sure you have a good team composition and I think you'll changes in the overall direction of Ranked Play.
Keep in mind people who play Ranked are competitive and want to win, they don't play it because they're bored.
50Shades0fTrynda1 votesI understand and know all of what you mentioned ,ty for the advice anyway .
in this topic i dont speak up my problems
Now i will try to clarify what i was talking about
I believe you know that in ranked these days a match can be composed of players from 3 ranked tiers in some cases which in my opinion doasn't have much sense.
For example, is it fair to fight gold 2,3,4 with team of silver 3,4,5 when you are in promo to gold 5? doesnt make much sense. In every competing game with lader player, club or a group has to beat guys who are next to them to be able to get higher, which is not the case in ranked anymore and which makes each tier and division unpredictable, i dare to say chaotic... I got used to it but in my opinion it isnt fair ,can you imagine what is the diference in knowladge of 2 players which are separated by 4 divisions?
P.S. i wouldnt even notice the said problem if there wouldnt be matches where it was obvious that 1 or 2 players in a team play like newbie in compare to others, like all of the sudden divisions fussed together and all the healthy teamplays i had before (in the same divison)were gone for a few games ahead
Too much writing i guess. Was i clear enought?
BestSupportGold1 votes[{quoted}](name=Aúręlius Marçus,realm=EUNE,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=aV0Zopom,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2017-01-26T02:33:38.249+0000)
I understand and know all of what you mentioned ,ty for the advice anyway .
in this topic i dont speak up my problems
Now i will try to clarify what i was talking about
I believe you know that in ranked these days a match can be composed of players from 3 ranked tiers in some cases which in my opinion doasn't have much sense.
For example, is it fair to fight gold 2,3,4 with team of silver 3,4,5 when you are in promo to gold 5? doesnt make much sense. In every competing game with lader player, club or a group has to beat guys who are next to them to be able to get higher, which is not the case in ranked anymore and which makes each tier and division unpredictable, i dare to say chaotic... I got used to it but in my opinion it isnt fair ,can you imagine what is the diference in knowladge of 2 players which are separated by 4 divisions?
P.S. i wouldnt even notice the said problem if there wouldnt be matches where it was obvious that 1 or 2 players in a team play like newbie in compare to others, like all of the sudden divisions fussed together and all the healthy teamplays i had before (in the same divison)were gone for a few games ahead
Too much writing i guess. Was i clear enought?
You're right, those can occur, but for the most part your MMR can be higher putting you in the higher part of the division where those different skill levels merge.
50Shades0fTrynda1 votesOh yes, i keep forgeting that TINY detail ;)
So, by how you say it, i (or any other player with higher MMR than its rank stands for) have to lose quite a bit in those promos to be able (to have a chance) to get a team with which he will have more real chance to win the guys from higher tier in order to pass the promo (3/5). And exactly that happened, i had to get trought those toxic matches (to low my MMR) several times so that i would be able to have a fair fight in some future promo (fifth promo in my case) for gold 5.
and one interesting detail ; when i fall back in those promos games were surprisingly easy, until promo arived again .
Back then my idea was that system is set like that intentionaly to make players play alot more to climb the same as before (before dynamic ) , in other words Riot guys want to make us play even more, because logicaly ,who plays more will in most cases spend more money on the game (psychological trick with addiction :P)- well, thats the theory of my own which is by me most likely to be the correct one ,from pessimistic point of view ofcourse. What do you think about that?
If you arent the guy who likes to think criticaly about human intentions and if you dont tend to scratch the surface of assumed/imaginary blackness of the human heart then just ingore my question and have a nice day :)
BestSupportGold1 votes[{quoted}](name=Aúręlius Marçus,realm=EUNE,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=aV0Zopom,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2017-01-26T15:43:53.231+0000)
Oh yes, i keep forgeting that TINY detail ;)
So, by how you say it, i (or any other player with higher MMR than its rank stands for) have to lose quite a bit in those promos to be able (to have a chance) to get a team with which he will have more real chance to win the guys from higher tier in order to pass the promo (3/5). And exactly that happened, i had to get trought those toxic matches (to low my MMR) several times so that i would be able to have a fair fight in some future promo (fifth promo in my case) for gold 5.
and one interesting detail ; when i fall back in those promos games were surprisingly easy, until promo arived again .
Back then my idea was that system is set like that intentionaly to make players play alot more to climb the same as before (before dynamic ) , in other words Riot guys want to make us play even more, because logicaly ,who plays more will in most cases spend more money on the game (psychological trick with addiction :P)- well, thats the theory of my own which is by me most likely to be the correct one ,from pessimistic point of view ofcourse. What do you think about that?
If you arent the guy who likes to think criticaly about human intentions and if you dont tend to scratch the surface of assumed/imaginary blackness of the human heart then just ingore my question and have a nice day :)
Spending time playing the game does not mean you have to spend money on it. If you play a lot, you learn a lot. If you're playing with higher skilled people and you're not advancing, then you're where you're supposed to be. Frankly speaking, playing against higher tier people is where the growth comes from.
You're misunderstanding my last comment. High MMR is not a bad thing, and you don't have to lower your MMR to succeed. You're complaining about going against higher tier players when you're in a lower tier. You can be in a lower tier with a high MMR. That will then result in being matched with the same level MMR opponents. That doesn't necessarily mean your teammates will also be that MMR.
I don't know how you pulled money + time spent playing the game into this, but I think you should focus on the subject matter of my responses. If you tend to break off like this, I can see why you're not having much luck in SoloQ.
50Shades0fTrynda1 votesNo i think i understood you right about higher MMR than the position in rank for which it stands behind.... and now you again confirmed that you meant exactly that... and thats what i meant by lowering the mmr..... lose lose lose win win win , you stay in same tier and same division but your MMR gets lower...right? right
Ofc a player dont have to lower (in this case equalize with rank it stands for ) the mmr to succed...but in some cases i had games where enemy got feed very fast(and i wrote about it up in this topic)... pushed very fast and after that made no mistakes in finishing us off ( like gold vs bronze,and almsot exactly that it was) ....and (i repeat myself ) in those cases that i had mentioned before i actualy had to lose over and over again until i start to get enemy who are closer and closer to my teams rank....and in that situation i could feel how the chance of wining got higher with every new promo entered,and that was confirmed by tracking all of the palyers after the match and interesting thing is at my last promo in the said situation i had all silvers in both teams(mybe 1 or two golders in each team) and yes game was much much less intense , i could finaly breathe...so yes , a player sometimes have to lose to lower his MMR in order to get a real chance to win just like i had to in said situation....if you can race with 4 horses of which 3 of them have broken legg (and opponents horses doans't) thats fine ...but i dont even feel confortalbe to do so if i know that situation is set strictly against my side
this case wasn't the only one but it was surely the most extreme one
And i didnt say anything like "HIGHER MMR IS BAD", nor i tryed to point it out
You seem to see it as a break off....but i see it as a thing that is conected to it, thats why i said it ,because i assumed we still talk about the topic i started with and not just about my response to response that you responded on
every time i respond to your respond i say to myself i wont write much haha
50Shades0fTrynda1 votes. If you tend to break off like this, I can see why you're not having much luck in SoloQ.
and luck would be what in this case?
I dont understand where did you pull of luck from or any thought of me being unsatisfied with my position on ranked lader ,i talk about the bad matching system which have manifested on my skin in certain ways,and one of the ways isnt't the "bad" rank ..
Btw I started to criticize the system after its change started to take its toll. .. the game was far more playable and wasnt so much unbalanced because tiers and divisions werent mixed as much, before the said change occured
50Shades0fTrynda1 votesThis is originaly part of my last response to yours> this waz it will probably be less of a mess to folow ...ofc if you care enought to read it
Man , i had games where someone or i carryed entire team against slightly higher ranked enemy... but what is too much is too much of a difference to handle (to refresh the picture, I silver 1 my teammates S 345 and enemy gold 543 for 3 promos diference was enourmous ,last 2 were possible to win , come on :D) and i have to admit ,i didnt pass to gold 5 because i was too tired and frustrated by the week of dayly trying in those highly-unlikely-to-win matches so i couldnt give the performance i usualy can ....but i learned my lession :P
For some reason i started to have a feeling this isnt a discusion ,but probably conversation in which you start with the assumption that i am not right and after it you make reasons why something i said isn't correct... dont get me wrong , its an assumption ...and i had talks with people who transmited much stronger vibe of the same kind so not a big deal ,im just honest with you :P