How I react to other LCS matches now after the UOL vs FNC & Urgot matches

BeatzBoyFTW··53 votes·4,481 views

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**Holy moly, a Galio mid **

OMG WTF, MUST WATCH DEZ!! GALIO OP GG!!!!

92 Comments

WeFlyNoLie37 votes

Honestly, it was an exciting match and not just because of the off-meta picks.

A lot of kills, a lot of intense teamfights and the nexus almost dying twice for one side? Pretty cool.

I'll agree with you though, I tend not to watch ones with the 20 or so champions that are FoTM because its just not interesting to watch anymore. Yeah cool, Lee Sin ward hopped and kicked somebody into the entire team but Zed managed to assassinate their carry with his ultimate and flashy play. It gets old after a while.

I'll watch a Yorick match any day just for a chance to see a champion like that played at LCS levels because I've never seen it before, its interesting to watch.

If it wasn't the same 20 champions every match, maybe then they wouldn't be so bland and boring.

LeeDark1 votes

That's a little like saying that you love football, but refuse to watch because everyone uses the West Coast Offense. Do you get how fucking stupid that sounds?

Mikal Pikal12 votes

Why does that sound stupid? Sounds reasonable to me. Football is distinguishable from LOL because with football you have a local team you are rooting for and for whom you care about the outcome. With LOL, if you aren't a fan of a particular team, then the sole reason you watch is for entertainment. If every team uses the same boring strategy, and it is no longer entertaining, then why is it stupid not to watch?

Imagine basketball before the shot clock. Would you watch if every team used the strategy of scoring first then playing keep-away? Then imagine a team comes in that says screw that and goes balls to the wall trying to score as much as possible. You may actually watch when that team plays.

Ariel the Cruel13 votes

That analogy is rather terrible.

If every football game was Wayne Gretzky VS Tiger Woods, it would start to get old after a while. Live sports teams have unique players on EVERY team. LoL has them same pool for every team in every match.

junglerboy163 votes

Erm... Tiger Woods plays golf...

I get your point though, have a +1

MrBuffington3 votes

{quoted}

Erm... Tiger Woods plays golf...

Not anymore! Zing! :3

(edit: last I heard he's ranked like 150th or something in the world)

(edit2: just checked, 96th in the world )

junglerboy161 votes

Either way, he definitely doesn't play football.

MrBuffington3 votes

But does Wayne Gretsky play golf?!?!

(BTW Wayne Gretsky a hockey player. lmfao no one called out that bit...)

junglerboy161 votes

LOL I don't watch football, and his name sounded like a football player I had heard of, so I assumed he was a football player XD

MrBuffington2 votes

{quoted}

his name sounded like a football player I had heard of

You mean Bruce Wayne? kappa

junglerboy164 votes

You mean Shauna Vayne?

Leagueception!

elktrkpancake922 votes

That moment where you realize Wayne Gretzky is an old man now who does almost nothing but play golf these days

MrBuffington1 votes

He doesn't even eat or sleep or poop anymore, just plays golf

Ariel the Cruel2 votes

Tiger Woods plays golf

I know.

Vellich0r2 votes

The joke


Most peoples heads

I Kill Commies21 votes

If every football game was Wayne Gretzky VS Tiger Woods

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Vellich0r2 votes

I feel like he almost HAS to be using sarcasm.

Ariel the Cruel3 votes

Nope. I'm totally certain Cricket is the game played with dog-sled teams.

LeeDark1 votes

THE PLAYERS are not the equivalent of LOL CHAMPIONS. Do you fucking get it?

Champion select is PART OF THE STRATEGY OF THE GAME. To accurately compare football players to LoL, you could say that Bjergsen is like TSM's quarterback. The champions they choose are the plays being called. The adjustments in game are audibles and jukes and stiffarms. Every objective is a first down, and the nexus is the touchdown.

If you don't understand an analogy, you should probably just keep your mouth shut or ask for an explanation. Your post makes you look pretty fucking stupid.

Ariel the Cruel3 votes

(Disclaimer: I don't pay any attention to football. Which is why I used to people I knew didn't play football in the example. There's no need to get aggressive over it.)

By your explanation , the "play" is decided at champ select. Everything else is simply "playing it out". Which isn't entirely accurate either. There is no perfect comparison.

That said, I would still consider players and champions the closest comparison. No matter which champion you play, they still play like that champion. All the nuanced highs and lows are tied to the champion. Their player may be better or worse with them individually. Where as on live sports, the nuanced highs and lows are tied to the player. Take Akali for example. Person A might know how to use shroud to minimize harass from Azir, Person B may not. But the end goal for both of them is to reach lvl 6, insta-death someone and use shroud to safely recover energy. Person A is simply better with Akali.

LeeDark1 votes

No, the football players and the champions are not the closest comparison. You don't even watch football, so you don't understand how incredibly stupid you are being. Let it go and stop trying to make use of an analogy you don't understand. You can either ask for an explanation, pointing out that you don't know football, so you don't understand why I made the comparison, or you can, as you did, post erroneous opinions about the analogy that clearly show you don't understand it. One of those choices is clearly better, so I have to wonder why you went with the option that makes you look like an idiot.

Ariel the Cruel1 votes

Holy ad hominem, Batman!

Football isn't entirely unique. Many (not all) live sports follow the same core structure. A player's roll in football is the same as a player's role in Hockey, Basket ball, Cricket, etc. Just because I don't watch football, that doesn't mean that my claim is, by default, wrong.

Still. Perhaps this football analogy isn't an effective point of conversation. So lets try something else (again baring in mind, there really are no perfect comparisons).

How many people would like to watch a good game of Go? Probably not many. It's 2 people putting beads on a board. Exciting.

Conversely, how many people do you think would like to watch a good game of Age of Empires with infinite starting resources? Probably a lot more. There's a lot of different things things going on. a lot of things that look and act different.

But when you get down to it. Both games are about spacial control.

Now compare that to the LCS. If every game is the same 10-15 champions. Every time. It's like watching Go. If you get a different pool of champions each time, it's like watching Age of Empires.


Also, I'm going to appeal to the bandwagon here for a moment and point out the voting scores on your posts in this topic so far (and not just this pyramid). They're not very good. Whether you are right or wrong, you're clearly loosing this battle of yours.

Though, to be honest, I'm highly suspect that many (if not most) of those down votes are attributed to the tone of your posts, and not necessarily their content. Perhaps if you could tone it down, debate reasonably, and stop attacking/insulting people, your posts would get more favorable attention.

LeeDark1 votes

It is NOT an ad hominem if I don't substitute you for your argument. If I said that you were a proven idiot because of comments you made in other threads on other topics, and that proven idiocy makes your opinion here, by default, wrong, THAT WOULD BE AN AD HOMINEM. Just because someone insults your intelligence doesn't mean they are committing a logical fallacy. GET IT RIGHT if you are going to start talking about logical fallacies. Now, if your intent is to make yourself look stupid, then kudos. You've done a bang-up job of that.

I also could not give a single airborne fornication about downvotes. I was a vocal opponent of the voting circlejerk when the "Boards" first started, and I feel entirely free to disregard it now, for several reasons:

  1. As you point out, having an unpopular opinion and having a wrong opinion are not the same thing. This is why the appeal to popularity is a fallacy.

  2. There is no delineation between upvotes and downvotes. For all you know, my posts could have 100 upvotes and 110 downvotes. There is a huge difference between that and 10 downvotes versus zero upvotes.

  3. I'm not here to win a popularity contest. The people I respond to are either capable of seeing reason, or they aren't. If they are, my tone, while abrasive, won't stop them from seeing it. If they aren't, I don't care what they think of my tone.

Stupid people deserve to be insulted. If they want it to stop, it is on them to either stop being stupid or walk away. At this point, I'm going to recommend you walk away.

Ariel the Cruel1 votes

It is NOT an ad hominem if I don't substitute you for your argument.

And yet. You attack me while ignoring my argument. ... again.


But tell you what. Since you clearly have no interest in actually debating the topic, I'll walk away.

You win. Congratulations. Confetti everywhere.

Enjoy all the attention you are getting. I really don't see what other benefit there is from continuing this.

LeeDark1 votes

Good riddance. At least my IQ won't suffer another drop of a couple of points from having to talk to someone as stupid as you.

WeFlyNoLie3 votes

I don't watch football, so I can't really comment on the comparison that you've made.

I don't think its stupid that I decide to watch matches based on what champions are chosen.

When there's 100+ champions and as little as 20-25 champions are played, I don't go out of my way to watch every single match. I know what to expect given the champions selected. Every team plays differently sure, but I don't find the matches as interesting when its the same champion pool over and over. It gets old, especially when there's such a large champion selection to choose from.

I understand not everybody shares my same opinion, but I don't see why you needed to become so hostile so quickly.

If I see a match with a Garen top lane or a Skarner jungle or a Quinn adc, I'm going to watch those matches over the rest because I'm more interested to see how LCS players play those champions.

LeeDark2 votes

If you only watch matches with odd champion picks, then you aren't a real fan. End of discussion. You don't have respect for the pro players and the skill and strategy they put in for each game. You don't enjoy the actual game. You aren't even a fan of a particular team. You're a "special little snowflake" who wants to see some validation of your "special snowflake" ways. We get it--you think you like a champion that NOBODY else in the world likes, and you just want that champ to get a little respect.

I can't stand people like you.

Mikal Pikal1 votes

Only a TRUE fan would blah blah blah. Do you watch EVERY LCS match? If not, how do you decide which one's to watch? Your argument is a fallacy. I am a LOL fan AND an LCS fan but I still watch for entertainment first and foremost.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

LeeDark1 votes

First of all, since "being a fan" of something isn't necessarily predefined specifically, it is virtually impossible to commit a "No True Scotsman" fallacy without simply accepting YOUR definition of what makes a fan. Which I don't accept. You should probably learn the basic laws of logic before you start copy/pasting fallacies you don't fully understand.

You are not an LCS fan. I'd argue you aren't even a LoL fan. You are, AT BEST, a fan of a particular off-meta champion/build. You feel a certain camaraderie with fans of other off-meta champions, and so any off-meta champion being played at the highest level of play is exciting to you, because it means your favorite might "make it" one day, too. You aren't a fan of the game, because you cannot claim by that to want what is actually best for the game, and you cannot claim to be a fan of the LCS, because you aren't interested in what makes the LCS the LCS. At worst, and much more common, you suffer from "Special Snowflake Syndrome" and simply get overly excited by any sort of underdog. You ride the bandwagon of nerf and buff cycles, jumping on any popular champion because, to you, popularity is inherently bad, and your special snowflake underdog is good. If it turned out to actually be good and became popular, you'd dump the champion within a week, usually with complaints that you still "love" the champion, but it always gets banned so you never play it.

I can't tell which of those things you are. What I can tell you is that by my well-reasoned definition of fandom, you are NOT a fan of the LCS.

Ariel the Cruel1 votes

Fan an enthusiastic devotee, follower, or admirer of a sport, pastime, celebrity, etc.:

Fandom fans collectively, as of a motion-picture star or a professional game or sport

Enthusiastic full of or characterized by enthusiasm; ardent:

Enthusiasm 1. absorbing or controlling possession of the mind by any interest or pursuit; lively interest: 2. an occupation, activity, or pursuit in which such interest is shown: 3. any of various forms of extreme religious devotion, usually associated with intense emotionalism and a break with orthodoxy.


Perhaps you're right. Perhaps you're one of the few true "fans" of the LCS. Goodness knows, not all of our minds are so controlled by the LCS as to believe it is always great by sheer virtue of being the LCS.

But if the requirement of being a "fan" is that we follow your lead and throw personal preference to the wind, I don't know many who would want to be a fan.

Not all of us enjoy watching the same champions get played the same way by the same people. We like variety. And Variety is something that has been lacking from the LCS for a while. But if you enjoy watching that, then power to you. The rest of us are going to give our time to things that we find more entertaining.

LeeDark1 votes

Many times in this thread I've said something to the effect of "Real fans don't need you." I don't want fairweather fans who are only interested when something strange happens.

Even if you aren't watching, there are still hundreds of thousands of us who are. You can come back for the playoff tournament and Worlds to help Riot bump their numbers into the millions. But don't expect the scene to cater to your desire for strange picks. It's about winning, not entertaining you, because the attempt to WIN is entertaining enough for the real fans.

Ariel the Cruel1 votes

"Real fans don't need other fans". This may be true. However, a commercial sport needs fans. It needs followers. It needs to generate interest. Then it needs a way to turn that interest into revenue. This is even more true for sports that can't exist without said revenue (Primarily, e-sports).

If the LCS gets boring and people stop watching, the sport suffers. Now it's true that fans like you are the ideal consumer. Fans who will follow it no matter what. They can throw caution to the wind and shit on you like EA does originality - and you won't care. But it's not realistic to expect every follower to be that devoted. LCS is a commercial sport. It's entire existence is dependent on the revenue it can generate. If Riot goes out of their way to alienate anyone who isn't a "true fan" (much like you seem to be trying to do), the sport will die. Plain and simple.

LeeDark1 votes

Boring is a matter of subjective opinion. The LCS was doing just fine with only tens of thousands of viewers, I'm sure it can get by on a couple hundred thousand if the fly-by-nighters like you jump ship. It's not about being devoted; it's about respecting the skill and strategy that exists at a high level of play. Twitch was around before the LCS, and good players got plenty of viewers then, too.

If Riot goes out of their way to cater to the fans who splooge their pants everytime a caster says a name that isn't popular in the meta, the sport will die.

Mikal Pikal1 votes

I am interested in the NA scene and check the standings and watch some of the matches, usually TSM and C9...but if I only have time to watch a limited number of matches, how do I choose the rest? What about EU and Korea region, I definitely can't watch all those matches. I know you in your infinite fandom watches every single LCS match, but how do people with a job or school or other things to do decide which matches to watch and still meet your definition of a fan?

LeeDark1 votes

They have VODs. You can watch ANYTIME you want. Literally.

Mikal Pikal1 votes

I understand that and I do watch the VOD's. By the next week I usually manage to watch most of the NA games, but not from any of the other regions. Are you seriously telling me you watch every match every week from every region and if you don't that you aren't a fan?

LeeDark1 votes

No, I don't watch the EU or Taiwan games, or any of the minor regions. Just NA, Korea, and China. I openly admit, though maybe that was in a conversation with someone else in this same thread, that I am not a fan of the EU scene. I have no respect for their (lack of) ability compared to the Asian and North American teams. I don't consider them good enough to represent the best of the LCS.

Being a regional fan isn't a bad thing, either. If you watch all the NA games, then we're fine. We weren't talking about people who only watch the NA games because they are regional fans. We weren't even talking about pepole who only watch TSM games because they are hardcore TSM fans. We were talking about people who ONLY watch a game if they see that an oddball champion was picked or an unusual strategy was used. I have absolutely no respect for those people.

Ariel the Cruel1 votes

In a standard scenario, a small dedicated fan base is sufficient.

My claim is that a commercial sport needs greater numbers to remain relevant. To ensure revenue and grow, the sport needs to appeal to as many people as possible while minimizing alienation. Increasing variety of champs visible at the pro level will add more variety and appeal to more people than just the hard core fans. This increases interest in the core game. And increases visibility of pro teams and players, which increases their value for sponsorship. Both cases result in increased revenue. And unlike Basketball, baseball, etc. You can't just play in your back yard. The commercial product is required - which is maintain through said revenue.


Like it or not. LoL is a commercial product. The pro scene is a commercial product. Both are intrinsically tied to a company. It is in the Company's best interest to appeal to as large an audience as possible (again, without alienation); and there for better for the sport overall.

Mikal Pikal1 votes

Where do you even come up with this drivel? You first claim that "being a fan" isn't predefined, yet then claim I am not a fan. How can you do that without a definition? Maybe the better fallacy would be http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persuasive_definition since you are inventing your own definition for a "fan" and using that to argue I am not a fan.

As for your entire second paragraph...what? I can't even respond to it because it is so off point and ridiculous. You are literally making things up on the spot. In fact, it is quite the opposite. I actually do want what's best for the game. The best thing for the LCS is to have MORE fans and the best way to do that is to make matches be more entertaining. I am not saying and have never said that I want teams to use bad strategies just for entertainment purposes. If I did, please quote where I said that. All I am saying is that in my limited time (I work more than full time and do not have time to watch every single LCS match from every single region) I would prefer to watch matches that are different. Your absolutely right that if I see a champ I like or that isn't normally played I will be more likely to watch that match. What you haven't explained is why that is bad or why that makes me not a fan of the LCS. To be a fan I have to watch every match from every region? If I don't have time, how would a "true fan" if the LCS decide which games to watch?

This game has over 100 champs and a LOT of different potential matches. Why is it bad for the game to have variety? Why is it bad for the LCS?

If you are not trolling, please answer these questions and maybe our discussion can continue:

  1. Why are more entertaining matches bad for the LCS?
  2. Why does wanting matches to be more entertaining make me not a fan?
  3. Why do you think using different strategies or different champions is automatically inferior to the normal champs/strategies?
  4. What is best for the game?

LAST AND MOST IMPORTANTLY: Please provide your definition of "fandom" since you claim to have a "well-reasoned definition of fandom." I have not seen it.

LeeDark1 votes

I use the dictionary definition. I won't bother posting it here, since someone else in the same conversation already has, including a definition of what would qualify as "enthusiasm." Your move.

My argument is not that variety is bad for the game. My argument, as has been from the beginning, is that holding up bad games like FNC v. UoL as the fucking pinnacle of LCS play is bad for the game and bad for the LCS. Variety is fine, when it doesn't suck. Gravity playing Urgot mid into Bjergsen's Zed was GOOD variety. My problem is people like you and the OP only like the Unicorns' game because it had a lot of kills and two false victories. That is the mark of bad play, not good play, and to hold it up like EVERY LCS game should be like that is fucking idiotic.

Mikal Pikal1 votes

I think I meet the definition of a fan according to the dictionary definition. I don't think I've said anything to dispute that. Also, I don't think you are understanding my point. You have to take the good with the bad to be a fan. Take hockey for example. I love watching crazy high scoring games with lots of power plays and an overtime win. It is exciting and fun to watch, but is usually sloppy hockey. Football games can be the same way. Even Sports Center shows clips of those games because they are out of the ordinary...like a half court shot to win the game. That is luck not skill. Are you saying that someone is not a football fan because they took the time to watch a game that set a record high for scoring and found it exciting and different?

Listen, you are arguing against a strawman here. I don't want every game to be the same...in fact I've said the exact opposite. But am I wrong to want matches to be exciting? I can only watch so many blowouts without getting bored...sorry. It's the same reason I don't watch every college football game. It's stupid to watch a 89-7 victory.

LeeDark1 votes

"If you only watch matches with odd champion picks, then you aren't a real fan. End of discussion."

That was the first post of mine to which you replied. I never changed my argument. If you aren't one of those people who only watches a match because something strange happened in it, then you aren't one of the fake fans I was talking about.

You're the one using a strawman argument. A game does not have to be terrible to feature variety. UoL v. FNC was a TERRIBLE game. That is the focus of this thread, and that is why I had a problem. The TSM v. GRV game featured variety, and WASN'T a terrible game. Keane made an oddball pick that he happens to be very good at playing, in a situation where it was a good pick. He'd be the first to say that you don't always want to pick Urgot. Hell, look at what he DOES pick. It usually isn't Urgot, DESPITE the fact that he plays Urgot a TON in solo queue. Most of the time it just isn't the right pick, but when it is, it can be exciting. Yorick could be the right pick, too... but UoL blew it. They played terribly and only BARELY managed to come out of that with a win. They were just lucky that FNC played terribly, too.

There are also plenty of games that aren't blowouts but also feature much less action overall because neither team makes as many mistakes. A game doesn't have to be trying for the record for most kills in a match in order to be exciting.

If you never watch a football game, but enjoy the clips of some interesting things happening on Sportscenter, then no, you are not a football fan. You are just familiar enough to football to recognize and appreciate the strangeness or interest in the clip, but you don't care about the game before that or the outcome afterward, or the impact it will have on the team for the rest of the season. You are just mildly amused by the clip itself. I'm not a baseball fan. NOT EVEN CLOSE. If anything, I despise baseball because I consider it incredibly boring. But I am familiar enough with the game to still enjoy a ten second clip of a truly amazing catch. That doesn't make me a fan.

BeatzBoyFTW1 votes

Just want to say something here, cz I think you rampage your Belieber rage around long enough in my thread.

Does everybody HAS to be a fan to watch the LCS? So you're telling me that a someone should kick his own parents out of the room if they were watching his favourite football game?

Yeah, tbh, I'm not a big fan of any LCS teams. I only watch it just for the fun of it. And yes, I used to watch loads of LCS right after Worlds 2014, just to see how the fuss was created in the first place. There were multiple gameplays & interesting champ picks I have spectated around here, but somehow, speaking as a non-fan LCS member, the gameplays got really old, as I don't really see so much changes around. Zed ult and then does a Kass ult escape, Rumble's ult used in narrow jungles & cutting off escape routes, Xerath's ult being all "BING BANG BOOM, ded", it just got really old.

I'm just watching LCS for the entertainment okay? I never said things like "this team sucks so bad bcz they dunno how to pick a non-meta champ trololol", and then causes you to be all judgemental. I'm just saying that when they picked a champ like Yorick, it kind of relieves my boredom from over-excessive common LCS picks.

BeatzBoyFTW1 votes

I think you mean, having to watch football games with the everyday same players all the time, such as Ronaldo, Suarez, Fernando (Sorry, I dun watch football, juz throwing out some names :p), but in cases like Uol vs Fnc, the football team picked Stephen Hawking to play in the field. This is exactly how I feel about my thread.

LeeDark1 votes

That's really not how it works. In League, champion choices are part of the STRATEGY. An odd champion choice is IN NO WAY equivalent to a surprise draft pick. It is passing when it is 3rd and inches, where you should quarterback sneak or hand the ball to the fullback or running back. (Something that was done in the Super Bowl this year and likely cost the Seahawks the game)

Unicorns of Love v. Fnatic was a BAD GAME. It holds the records for most kills in one game this season because it also holds the record for MOST MISTAKES made by both teams in one game this season. If you are only willing to watch if someone does something odd, like picking Yorick, then you are bound to be disappointed. The pros play TO WIN, not to satisfy your desire to see something different. If you cannot appreciate the SKILL and STRATEGY that goes into EVERY game the pros play, then you aren't really a fan of the sport. If you only watch the team that is known for faking the punt more than other teams, you don't love football.

Respect and enjoy the skill of the players in every game, or keep your idiotic opinions to yourself.

BeatzBoyFTW3 votes

Even if you regard Uol vs Fnc is a bad game for yourself, to me and most of my "kind", it was the best game everyone has ever spectated, even the announcers say it's the best game they have ever watched. I'm not sure if this is your issue, but I'm sorry that your season 1 championship team lost to a non-meta pick team.

You say strategy, yes, but what different strategy are we even watching here. Every team always picks the same champ pick over & over again, so technically, we don't see a lot of changes in gameplay whichever team the champions they're playing with.

Every team knows how to do well to counter against most common LCS picks like Zed or LeBlanc, but no one knows how to counter non-meta pick champs that they never practiced fighting against. Look at that Yorick & Cass strategy, no one was prepared on knowing how to counter their duo revive strategy. Ever seen them get rid of the ghost first BEFORE killing Cass? No. They didn't. This is the one gem of picking non-meta champs, and you see them ended up getting clean-up by Cass's ghost. This is one of your so-called "strategy" that you have been frantically looking for.

Another example is the Urgot mid match against TSM. Zed can't even do shiet against an Urgot, as he always has to call upon his own jungler to come 2v1 against an Urgot, I repeat, AN URGOT. And tecnically, the whole TSM was underestimating Urgot's passive, and I think you can notice how some of TSM's teammates were dealing less damage than intended.

My points were kind of blant, but I'm sure you understand what my points means.

supes the lost2 votes

This, this is the reason that non meta picks work, it isn't the fact that the champions do anything different, it's that the enemy hasn't seen the champ in so long that they don't know the best tactics to deal with the strategy.

LeeDark1 votes

Now you are starting to get it. And I'm not a fan of Fnatic. I don't even watch the EU LCS at all; I had to go back and watch a VOD of this game to see what people were talking about. I am not a fan of the EU scene, because, honestly, it is the worst LCS region in the majors. NA, Korea, China, and even Taiwan are all VASTLY better than the EU.

There is NO thread on the front page, and never was, about the TSM v. GRV game featuring Urgot. This, despite Keane being much more well-known for strange picks and doing it far better than PowerofEvil. The game got mentioned, but no thread, and not nearly as much enthusiasm as the utter trash that was the FNC v. UoL game. Why? Because Gravity was more methodical and measured, and TSM didn't actually give up many kills or objectives quickly. It was a much more strategic game that still featured outplays on both sides.

We SHOULD be holding up Keane's Urgot as the RIGHT way to play something off-meta in the right situation. It was a good game. The Unicorns of Love played a TERRIBLE game, but fortunately for them, so did Fnatic. This thread, holding up the FNC v. UoL game as the PINNACLE of LCS play this season is a fucking joke to me. Make a thread about how magnificent Urgot was in that game, with the understanding that it was specifically a pick against Zed, that Keane happened to be very comfortable playing, and I would be there agreeing wholeheartedly.

High51 votes

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Honestly, it was an exciting match and not just because of the off-meta picks.

A lot of kills, a lot of intense teamfights and the nexus almost dying twice for one side? Pretty cool.

I'll agree with you though, I tend not to watch ones with the 20 or so champions that are FoTM because its just not interesting to watch anymore. Yeah cool, Lee Sin ward hopped and kicked somebody into the entire team but Zed managed to assassinate their carry with his ultimate and flashy play. It gets old after a while.

I'll watch a Yorick match any day just for a chance to see a champion like that played at LCS levels because I've never seen it before, its interesting to watch.

If it wasn't the same 20 champions every match, maybe then they wouldn't be so bland and boring.

Everyone should watch the meta games. May not be quite as exciting, but fundamentals win games.

Riot does a terrible job teaching people basics and most decent LCS at least do the fundamentals correctly.

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