Unholy grail on ziggs or syndra?

Doctor Spreadem·Nov 8, 2016·3 votes·595 views

Are they good? An ever lasting mana and low cd seems nice for a huge spamming champions like these but i still don't see many people using them much. What do you guys think?

12 Comments

Deep Terror NamiNov 8, 20163 votes

Unless you have a heal/shield in your kit, don't get Athene's. You get Morellonomicon, Rod of Ages, or Archangel's Staff.

Doctor SpreademNov 8, 20161 votes

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Unless you have a heal/shield in your kit, don't get Athene's. You get Morellonomicon, Rod of Ages, or Archangel's Staff.

Would you say it works on kassadin?

TerozuNov 8, 20161 votes

No, only ally shields, you can't heal yourself with it.

Shinji lkariNov 8, 20162 votes

NEVER BUILD UNHOLY GRAIL ON CHAMPIONS WITHOUT A SHIELD OR HEAL. Waste of a passive, waste of everything. NO BENEFITS ON A DAMAGING CHAMP.

TerozuNov 8, 20161 votes

What about 20%cdr? and +40% mana on each kill?

J EevoNov 8, 20162 votes

item 3165 exists though

TerozuNov 8, 20161 votes

So? Get 'em both.

J EevoNov 8, 20162 votes

If you already have one you don't need the other though.

TerozuNov 10, 20161 votes

What about on say... Support Lux? Her greatest problem is her mana, the extra dmg from morello's gives her more athene's stacks, constant mana gain, or Morgana aswell? I admit it's situational but it's still a good item combo.

CochoNov 8, 20162 votes

My question would just be why not morello.

Handy Sandy Nov 8, 20161 votes

In the midlane, build it on Orianna as a super situational item sometimes..but on Ziggs/Syndra probably not. Ziggs can go OOM really fast though, but a couple mana items for him would be better. He's already good with Morello and Lich Bane so that's a large pool of mana for you, Seraph's Embrace goes well with both champions also since the passive shield and AP...but just because it has a passive shield isn't something worth building athene's for.

TerozuNov 8, 20161 votes

Yeah they're good on any mages. It gives 40% mana on each killassist, and 29% cdr. Even better if that champ has a heal or shield, because you can burst than heal, like with Lux Lux , Ult, then heal a team with your shield, that doesn't apply to them though, but if you get it in combo with Hextech gunblade item 3146 and finish someone with your ult, you can burst, healing ur hp, and if you get the kill(with those two you probs will) and get your mana back, a great resource item. Though as before mentioned, Morellos is the better item for mages and this is better on supports.