If Riot increases bans to 10, they must increase the Ranked requirement from 16 to 20 owned champs

Deep Terror Nami·Dec 21, 2016·80 votes·2,658 views

I didn't realize this until just now. If you don't understand why, I'll tell you;

In Ranked Draft you must own a champion to play it, no Free-to-Play Rotation. You must also own at least 16 champion in order for there to be no possibility of your champion pool being completely picked and banned away, since there are 9 other picks and 6 bans. If the bans increase it would be possible to be left with no options if you own less than 20 champions.

If/when Riot increases the bans, I think they should also drop the cost on several champions, or even provide some of the cheapest ones automatically.

43 Comments

AMYS GRAVEDec 21, 201617 votes

Yeah, someone had the idea (sorry i don't remember who you were random boards poster) that as you level up you get the option to unlock a champion for free every few levels. That way the leveling up process gives you something that you feel good about.

warpenguin555Dec 21, 20161 votes

wasnt me who posted that but i was thinking that could be cool too

theArtifactsDec 21, 20162 votes

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Yeah, someone had the idea (sorry i don't remember who you were random boards poster) that as you level up you get the option to unlock a champion for free every few levels. That way the leveling up process gives you something that you feel good about.

Would be good but only for the cheapest champs as riot still expects to make moneyyyyy

IcyPepperDec 21, 20168 votes

It'd probably be reduced to one every ten levels, because thirty champions is, well, a lot for free.

AMYS GRAVEDec 21, 20163 votes

Maybe one every 3 or 5 levels was in my mind. That gives you 10 or 6 champs out of what ~130.

IcyPepperDec 21, 20165 votes

5 levels could work, I suppose. That'd be, like, six champions.

Although if I were Rito, I wouldn't let the player choose. I'd just give them one champion for different predetermined classes with the mindset of "this is a good champion to learn with, but not completely noobish at this level."

For example, I'd probably go with: (level -> champion)

10 -> Cho'Gath; 15 -> Morgana; 20 -> Renekton; 25 -> Lulu or Sona; 30 -> some marksman

I dunno. SOMETHING would be nice for newer players, though. The rotating free champions can only do so much if you don't have a solid roster to keep going to for practice, and those expensive champions take forever to get at first.

DarkRitualDec 22, 20164 votes

Every 5 levels, you get a crafting item. You can convert this item into a random champion for any single role.

Choose Mage, get random mage. Choose Marksman, get random marksman. etc. This lets you build up champs for roles you actually want, while still being fairly random.

StarboyˇDec 22, 20161 votes

but then you get autofilled into support and need to play some troll shit

DarkRitualDec 22, 20161 votes

Freeeeeeee Rooooootaaaaaaatiiiiioooooooonnnnnnn.

You also still HAVE to buy some champs on top of those to meet the 16 (20 if we get 10 bans) champs needed for ranked.

Your argument is invalid.

StarboyˇDec 27, 20161 votes

there is no free rotation in ranked...

DarkRitualDec 27, 20161 votes

This fact is generally relevant to this thread, but this reply chain was dealing with earning champs while leveling, through which you woukdn't have enough champs get go into ranked without buying some. So free rotation helps when you get autofilled while earning IP to buy champs for ranked, presumably making sure there's a champ or two for every role. So the fact that theres no free rotation in ranked is not relevant to this line of discussion.

MelledoneusDec 23, 20161 votes

Go home, Daddy, you're drunk.

High5Dec 23, 20161 votes

This prob a better option. If Riot wanted to hand out more champs, they could just increase the IP rewards.

I use IP for champs and RP for skins. I didn't have any trouble getting enough champs by 30 to do draft and ranked. If you're a new 30, generally learning more champs is more valuable than optimizing rune pages.

Karn BishopDec 21, 20169 votes

Why is this a bad thing? i have always felt the requirements to enter ranked were too low to begin with so this would be a step up, even better is if they added the requirement of having a single complete tier 3 runepage done, because playing without one is just crippling in ranked.

Deep Terror NamiDec 21, 20168 votes

I didn't say it was bad. This post is informative only, except the last part where I said I think they should make it easier to acquire the extra champions needed.

ChaoticPineconeDec 22, 20162 votes

I have a question for you - why do you think the requirements were too low?

Though some people take ranked seriously, at the end of the day its just a competitive game. Some people will be good, some will suck, and that will always be true. Other competitive games have just about as strict or even lesser requirements before getting into comp, though admittedly, the model used for LoL requires at least some grind before unlocking all features/

I mean, not to be rude or anything, but unless youre at the bottom tier of ranked players, you probably wont be facing any fresh level 30s. If a fresh level 30 gets into Gold or Plat or even Silver, then I'd say they probably belong there (and will rise pretty quickly at that).

Guy Fox TeemoDec 22, 20161 votes

How are they too low? I think they're to high; needing to have two full tune pages which costs a shit ton plus 16 champions, which you will def not have by lvl 30.

Having a huge barrier for entry isn't stupid, your not going to get those players in your games anyway unless you are just as bad as that player .

Karn BishopDec 24, 20161 votes

guy fox rolls read, rolls 6, i said a single complete rune page as it is needed to successfully ranked unless your already a masters player.

BasedJarvan420Dec 21, 20167 votes

I can't wait to ban yasuo every single game

bad arcade kittyDec 22, 20164 votes

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I didn't realize this until just now.

you are not very bright then

Deep Terror NamiDec 22, 20167 votes

Trying to put other people down only shows that you feel you're less than them :3

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rtbf76109271Dec 22, 20162 votes

ya no kidding. Not only is this super obvious but has been brought up before as an issue when increasing the bans to 10

Supreme Senpai69Dec 22, 20163 votes

Awesome. Forces more experience on people before entering ranked. Sucks for them, but improves the quality of games in ranked. win-win honestly.

Risk of FateDec 21, 20162 votes

I really would have thought that's something to also consider if it happens. Also the prices should be on champions that are the least likely banned/permabanned cause when 10 bans come: Yasuo Riven Vayne Fizz LeeSin are definitely going to be on the blacklist across all divisions.

RQ AmiableDec 21, 20162 votes

tbh, why would you ban any of them besides lee? <.> what? vayne isnt anything, fizz isnt anything, riven lmao. okay. and yasuo the only bad thing about him is his windwall. which you just bait him into using. you forgot syndra. shes a perma ban. her and lee. >.>

Risk of FateDec 21, 20162 votes

I don't really have a problem with Yas, myself, but people apparently don't know to walk around the stupid thing. I have to laugh when they toss it out thinking "HA, got you," only for me to walk up to them and beat their face in. However, for some reason or another he manages to 1-shot my team and get that instant ace.

As for Riven, she's super tanky and mobile, but I think mostly because she's a a no-skill champ (/s), get mad they got outplayed due to her shield and her being a hippity hopping bunny rabbit. Vayne late game hits like a truck loaded with gold bars and is quite an easy lane for the support. Finally, Fizz with his shark and pole that makes him temporarily invulnerable and provides easy escapes.

But, I'm not a mind reader, only going by the bans I see in norms/rank and the number of hate threads on here.

Sraeg2013Dec 21, 20161 votes

Honestly 90%+ of people hating on Yasuo are on Boards or Reddit.

I basically don't meet people like that in the actual game and whenever somebody makes something utterly stupid, like throwing Jinx's ult into an already made Windwall, they get laughed at.

Meanwhile the Boards make it sound as if you were compelled to use everything you have into the Windwall, because otherwise you'd die in real life or something.

DolasaurDec 23, 20161 votes

Meanwhile the Boards make it sound as if you were compelled to use everything you have into the Windwall, because otherwise you'd die in real life or something.

It's the second strongest taunt in the game after Teemo's existence (since they removed Sad Robot Amumu's global laugh). It's not that you're going to die in real life. It's that, without you even realizing it, your fingers just hit QWER towards the wall. Sometimes you're lucky and you're playing someone with no skillshots. Other times you're playing Vel'Koz and you start crying.

warpenguin555Dec 21, 20162 votes

Yasuo, Riven, and Vayne have extremely toxic player bases and ragequit when things dont go their way. Plus nobody has fun against them so its justified banning them. Ill agree with Fizz though, hes kinda shit.

RlP K0BEDec 21, 20161 votes

This is one of the dumbest league stereotypes ive heard. I've had players on all kinds of champions rage quit or troll when things are not working out for them. I've been to the Yasuo/Riven mains reddit and they are all very nice and helpful people.

DolasaurDec 23, 20161 votes

When I checked op.gg, Riven, Yasuo, and Nunu all had statistically significant differences in number of games left. All other champions had leave rates of like 1-2%, and those three jumped up to about 3.5%. Nunu I'm assuming was from people intentionally trolling with Disco Nunu or whatever, but Riven and Yasuo (at least at that time) were actually more likely to rage quit. (Unless you think that Riven and Yasuo players are significantly more likely to have power outages or something.)

EunsonDec 21, 20161 votes

Fizz ????????????

ThubanDec 22, 20162 votes

Or they should require 4 champions in each intended role at MR 4 or greater, not just any 20.

PlanetWarwickDec 22, 20161 votes

I agree, I still had to grind 3 champs after all 450s

WukongzDec 22, 20161 votes

They should just give us the 450 IP champs for free. It's almost 2017 already xD

AeszarckDec 22, 20161 votes

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They should just give us the 450 IP champs for free. It's almost 2017 already xD

They did give us the Free Starter Pack as part of their Amazon giveaway, which is eight 450 IP champions for free. It was very helpful for me; I got seven champions from it!

You can also get free Garen from Twitter (which is why I only got seven and not eight champions from the bundle) and free Tristana from Facebook. I don't think they're officially doing the Alistar giveaway from Youtube anymore, but you can still get him by asking Riot Support.

LexyyDec 22, 20161 votes

I agree with increasing the ranked requirement.

But I don't agree with allowing them to get champions easier. It needs to stay the same, or get even harder. (I also like the idea of having the tier 3 rune page completed).

New players should play as many normal games on lvl 30 as possible before they can even get to ranked. I am sick of players who dont realize they can't compete in ranked just yet, even though they are lvl 30.

JorenciceDec 22, 20161 votes

Meh i know someone in diamond with t1 runes. It really isnt THAT big of a difference.

ZtokaDec 22, 20161 votes

Hopefully they require a pool of at least 26 champs. 20 champs wouldn't work because if you were last pick and had bad luck, you could easily be stuck w/ an ass champ for the slot you selected. I guess 25 could be the minimum as it would give a buffer of one champ/role extra. I am ok w/ it taking a bit longer for new players to start playing ranked. So you have to grind ip for another month or two, that's good for game knowledge :)

DolasaurDec 23, 20162 votes

The statistical likelihood of this happening is incredibly tiny with 6 bans, and even more incredibly tiny with 10 bans (assuming they buff the minimum to 20). The requirement is basically there to prevent the game from getting into a bad state programmatically, and perhaps even to just prevent people like us from thinking that it could get into such a bad state. It's quite likely that this has never happened in a single non-custom game.

General Esdeath Dec 22, 20161 votes

Just buy all the 450 IP champs :^)

ItsEmyDec 22, 20161 votes

The only problem with 10 bans is your gonna see a lot less of the high skill champions in ranked games. I'm sure Yasuo and Fizz will never be played again in ranked games because they will almost be ban instantly because each team with have 5 bans. Also, the problem with more bans is not only does your pool of champions have to be bigger because that's kinda easy after a while but you have to also be good with more champions because it's still Ranked Draft. You may have 30 champions but maybe you're only at Ranked level with say 15 of them. If those are gone, you're screwed

DolasaurDec 23, 20162 votes

"high skill" - did you mean "high frustration level"? Because there are tons of champions out there with harsh learning curves that have insignificant ban rates (Aurelion Sol, Draven, etc.). Some even have high play rates (like Orianna and Thresh).

Pressing a lot of buttons in a very short time (Yasuo, Riven) is one part of measuring how much skill a champion takes. But it's far from the only one. Vladimir's experience-to-win-rate curve is WAY steeper than any of the common button mashing, mechanically intense champs.