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Mordekaiser should NOT get a full rework

KnightOfEloHell··1 votes·1,790 views

Mordekiaser is an awsome, amazing champion. He has huge strengths, and big weaknesses as well. High damage, high sustain, low base hp, hp regen, and movement speed.

Given that Mordekiaser is supposed to be the melee carry of the juggernauts, let's keep this idea, and make him thematically fitting.

Simply put: -Base hp stays the same. -Base regen stays the same. -Base Movement Speed is buffed by 5. -Mordekaiser gains 5 Movement Speed for 1.5 seconds for each consecutive Q landed. -W, Harvester of Sorrow, stays the same. -E, Siphon of Destruction, stays the same. -R, Children of the Grave, stays the same.

This allows Mordekaiser to still be slow, but give him windows of power for sustained damage in a League of mobile champions. He will still be susceptible to kiting, but plays into the theme of a juggernaut gaining momentum.

Other than that, if the bug that cancels the damage from any ability and auto attack after W is deactivated can be fixed, that would really smooth him out. It's been there since W was nerfed to only damage 2 units on deactivate damage instead of all within. I may be wrong, but I'm sure if that was reverted, the bug will go away.

I am in high hopes some folks over at Riot see this, give these simple changes some thought, and put out some nice feedback!

Thanks for reading.

Comments welcome.

26 Comments

Malicious Metal5 votes

Completely missing the point.

Mordekaiser is still fun to play, else people wouldn't play him.

What warrants a full VGU is how toxic his design is and how little in terms of outplay/counterplay option he has. He's just extremely binary and his kit is really outdated, thus he can't really compete with the other champions.

He, simply put, has no place in the game, especially since it's evolved way past when he was in his prime. And even then he was deemed inherently unhealthy.

Azrael Jiraco3 votes

Sorry, friend. You outlined the reason for a full rework with your second sentence.

Too strong in some situations, too weak in others. That's what imbalance is. He is fun for us mains but can still be toxic to play against.

The Dragon is crazy. Solo baron at 20 mins without taking ANY damage?

He's my favourite champ but I'm looking forward to a rework.

Need Gold 4 Tent1 votes

is that even possible? I haven't tried it but i think i'ma test it in a bot game now

KnightOfEloHell1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Sir HaxaIot,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=Z5KBzuhn,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2017-05-29T14:58:05.440+0000)

is that even possible? I haven't tried it but i think i'ma test it in a bot game now

Is what possible?

Need Gold 4 Tent2 votes

Solo baron at 20 minutes with 0 damage, the guys didn't want to drag it so they ended it at 14 minutes, couldn't try it

KnightOfEloHell1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Sir HaxaIot,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=Z5KBzuhn,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2017-05-29T15:54:39.870+0000)

Solo baron at 20 minutes with 0 damage, the guys didn't want to drag it so they ended it at 14 minutes, couldn't try it

I've tried this before, and can't solo baron at 20 with dragon ghost. When he was first reworked he could, before he got the load of nerfs, but not anymore

Azrael Jiraco2 votes

It's situational. You'll need a certain amount of AP and to be level 11. You also need W to get drake to baron faster.

I can do this most games.

Azrael Jiraco2 votes

It's situational. You'll need a certain amount of AP and to be level 11. You also need W to get drake to baron faster.

I can do this most games.

KnightOfEloHell1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Azrael Jiraco,realm=EUW,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=Z5KBzuhn,comment-id=00010000000000000001,timestamp=2017-05-29T16:51:24.240+0000)

It's situational. You'll need a certain amount of AP and to be level 11. You also need W to get drake to baron faster.

I can do this most games.

Huh. I'm a have to try this. I typically build hybrid pen busier build. Ad for tower melting, ap for heals, whatever pen I need based off of what the enemies are building, and one or two defensive items to stay alive longer late game.

Most people max W first, I'll up it to about 3, than max what is situational better.

Like, it's amazing how Morde is so flexible to every situation. As a Morde one trick, I love it. They building MR? I'll build AD to make it useless, than magic pen later. Does the enemy team comp have lots of cc? Than Stormraiders, Mercurial, and ghost+flash combo, or my now recent exuast+ignite combo. They have armor, too? Dusk blade for movement speed and armor pen!! All of this paired with his shield is so nice.

CannabisOverlord1 votes

You can do it with gunblade, boots and just liandrys or rylais, i do it all the time, just position dragon right, directly in front of baron so it takes all the focus, and your good

Zelorxon3 votes

-The 150+ bugs get fixed

Vraestin2 votes

PS: Despite what we say, Riot not releasing a Morde skin for 2+ years and not fixing a single one of the 150+ bugs he has, even when they got published and shown in front of the whole reddit, clearly means that his V G U is coming. And we can't do anything about it.

Prepare yourselves for something like " mordekaiser gains shield while damaging enemies, no longer gains shield from minions ( BUT HEY, now the shield doesn't fall off when out of combat ), " mordekaiser now has a stun " " mordekaiser has 1 sec 90% slow " and idiotic things like those.

" Mordekaiser is no longer able to move the ghosts and they themselves are not anymore copies of champions, but just random 2k17 Caspers who will push the nearest lane for 12 damage per hit "

KnightOfEloHell2 votes

{quoted}

PS: Despite what we say, Riot not releasing a Morde skin for 2+ years and not fixing a single one of the 150+ bugs he has, even when they got published and shown in front of the whole reddit, clearly means that his V G U is coming. And we can't do anything about it.

Prepare yourselves for something like " mordekaiser gains shield while damaging enemies, no longer gains shield from minions ( BUT HEY, now the shield doesn't fall off when out of combat ), " mordekaiser now has a stun " " mordekaiser has 1 sec 90% slow " and idiotic things like those.

" Mordekaiser is no longer able to move the ghosts and they themselves are not anymore copies of champions, but just random 2k17 Caspers who will push the nearest lane for 12 damage per hit "

This. This would SUCK soooo much.

No shield on minions means the lot of mobile champions Morde can't even walk up to will kite him all the while getting no shield at all.

Morde getting a stun means let's nerf his damage to hell, as well as his sustain.

And wannabe Yorick ghouls as an ult would not be unique, and means a Morde behind cannot recover. So if your team is losing every lane, that means you can't play smartly, get a fed ghost, force 6 vs 4, and even out the field by controlling your fed adc ghost to do what you want.

THIS EXACTLY is why I fear a full rework for Morde.

It will just gut him.

SEKAI2 votes

Remove the dragon aspect from his ulti for a start. That shit is stupid and contrived on so many levels.

Rest could remain mostly intact with just a couple tweaks like those mini-reworks for the other champs and it'd be good.

KnightOfEloHell2 votes

{quoted}

Remove the dragon aspect from his ulti for a start. That shit is stupid and contrived on so many levels.

Rest could remain mostly intact with just a couple tweaks like those mini-reworks for the other champs and it'd be good.

THIS.

THIS WHAT I'M SAYING 100%.

Just tweak his current kit. Yes, dragon ghost is OP. If that's taken out, maybe he can get some base hp buffs.

KnightOfEloHell1 votes

Okay. I get yall's points. I just hope he's not turned into a tank. I love Morde's passive shield, high sustain, damage, and ghosts.

I just hope he can still get champion and dragon ghosts, have that high sustain, shield, and high damage.

Being a Seige God is freaking cool.

KnightOfEloHell1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Morde Unlimited,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=Z5KBzuhn,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-05-29T14:27:28.796+0000)

Okay. I get yall's points. I just hope he's not turned into a tank. I love Morde's passive shield, high sustain, damage, and ghosts.

I just hope he can still get champion and dragon ghosts, have that high sustain, shield, and high damage.

Being a Seige God is freaking cool.

Like he feels so unique to play. Getting fed ghosts, dragon ghosts, and stats from Champs really helps you get back in shape when you are behind.

KnightOfEloHell1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Morde Unlimited,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=Z5KBzuhn,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-05-29T14:27:28.796+0000)

Okay. I get yall's points. I just hope he's not turned into a tank. I love Morde's passive shield, high sustain, damage, and ghosts.

I just hope he can still get champion and dragon ghosts, have that high sustain, shield, and high damage.

Being a Seige God is freaking cool.

Also I like how he can build anything

Azrael Jiraco2 votes

I'm sure he'll keep his Juggernaught status. :)

Stacona1 votes

Mordekaiser needs a full revert and THEN rework his Q to feel more like a backline mage than some weird squishy AP juggernaut thing - i liked the hyper melee metal mage that had the ghost ultimate (remove ghost dragon pls)

Vraestin1 votes

Mordekaiser is the only thing that keeps me playing league. That said, I am gonna defend him with my own teeth if it's necessary. Now let's talk about serious things:

People who are confused or doubtful about morde being able to solo baron at 20 min with no damage, should not be part of " VU or VGU update? ", because it all explains that they don't know anything about how morde ACTUALLY works.

Morde has some serious problems in his kit, but the major part of them are actually the bugs. I do not belive that he needs full rework and, even if he does, well.. here in Italy we use to say " si sa quel che si lascia ma non si sa quel che si trova " which more or less means in english " you know what you leave, but you don't know what you find " which means that Morde updade could change the character forever leaving this awesome Morde behind. And do not pretend that this didn't happen before because the old Sion is still crying in his grave. The new Sion is truly an amazing champion, but has NOTHING to do with the past one. I don't want them to change the concept of Morde and adapt him to the new meta. Mordekaiser and the people who play him demonstrated during the years that meta is nothing compared to patience and work. The new morde, even being it an overpowered non-situational champion that fits any teamcomp, would be a Morde used by anyone, a Morde whose kit is no longer a mistery for the enemy. A Morde with weaknesses caused by counterplay and NOT by things that his own kit misses. That idea disgusts me. Really. People who NEVER touched Morde because they are plain meta abusers, who will get their hands on the reworked champion and claim their right to say " wowowo he is so good now ".

Just no. Leave Morde for the few people who do not play the game following what mr. rekkles or, dunno, mr. faker does.

KnightOfEloHell1 votes

{quoted}

Mordekaiser is the only thing that keeps me playing league. That said, I am gonna defend him with my own teeth if it's necessary. Now let's talk about serious things:

People who are confused or doubtful about morde being able to solo baron at 20 min with no damage, should not be part of " VU or VGU update? ", because it all explains that they don't know anything about how morde ACTUALLY works.

Morde has some serious problems in his kit, but the major part of them are actually the bugs. I do not belive that he needs full rework and, even if he does, well.. here in Italy we use to say " si sa quel che si lascia ma non si sa quel che si trova " which more or less means in english " you know what you leave, but you don't know what you find " which means that Morde updade could change the character forever leaving this awesome Morde behind. And do not pretend that this didn't happen before because the old Sion is still crying in his grave. The new Sion is truly an amazing champion, but has NOTHING to do with the past one. I don't want them to change the concept of Morde and adapt him to the new meta. Mordekaiser and the people who play him demonstrated during the years that meta is nothing compared to patience and work. The new morde, even being it an overpowered non-situational champion that fits any teamcomp, would be a Morde used by anyone, a Morde whose kit is no longer a mistery for the enemy. A Morde with weaknesses caused by counterplay and NOT by things that his own kit misses. That idea disgusts me. Really. People who NEVER touched Morde because they are plain meta abusers, who will get their hands on the reworked champion and claim their right to say " wowowo he is so good now ".

Just no. Leave Morde for the few people who do not play the game following what mr. rekkles or, dunno, mr. faker does.

Boom. I'm on part with that. This is one of the biggest thing I love about Morde. He can build anything, but is never really "meta". But it's okay because you can build him and play him to any situation. I have never found another champion that can build literally any item and it have some benifit. Hp gives bigger sheild. AP gives bigger heals. AD gives you sustained damage for when your abilities are on cooldown, makes your ghosts stronger, and helps with last hitting. Resistances also strengthen shields.

I mean who would think to use Armor Pen with Morde when the emery comp has lots of armor? It works because it makes Q bursty, Dusk blade helps with Movement speed, as does Ghostblade.

Hell, when I go against a Cho gath, I rush Giant Slayer AND BotRK and just melt Cho. NOONE would think to do that with Morde, but it works because Morde in his current incarnation can build anything and adapt to outplay any champion (if you know how they work).

I'd hate it if Morde was anything but a slow moving Hulking mass of Destruction.

LeagueOfJhin1 votes

You maining Morde isn't a reason enough for why he shouldn't get a rework

Vraestin1 votes

{quoted}

You maining Morde isn't a reason enough for why he shouldn't get a rework

Prolly no. But me reaching an higher elo than you as morde, makes my opinion plenty more valid than yours. That, my dear, is a thing you cannot deny. A VGU should be claimed by diamonds, masters and challengers. Not by plats, silvers, skin buyers, meta abusers, and riot itself.

LeagueOfJhin1 votes

First of all I wasn't talking to you rather the one who made this post Second of all you saying your higher elo means your opinion is less valid because it further proves my point as a majority of the players aren't in the 4.2% like you are and a majority of the players want him reworked and plat in my mind is considered high elo as its top 5%. I'm pretty sure this game shouldn't be up to construction by the top 5% Ps: I get it your a Morde one trick if Jhin was to get a rework I would be upset but its not just your opinion its many others being taken into reasoning

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