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New Mord's ULT shouldn't be stopped by basic champion abilities. Please fix this

KnightOfEloHell·6/3/2019, 6:33:14 PM·8 votes·7,857 views

When I first saw the Mord rework, I thought his ult was neat. But, now that he's been out for testing, there are things that fully negate Mordekaiser's ult, causing it to do nothing, and going on it's insanely long CD.

Fiora can Parry Mord's ULT. Olaf can R out of the Death Realm. Gangplank eats an orange to get out of Death Realm. Morganas spell sheild causes Mord's ULT to do nothing and go on CD. Edge of Night spell sheild does the same as Morgana. Even if you interrupt an ulting Urgot with Mord's ULT, Urgot still kills them while he is in the Death Realm. Even tho it's not a debuff, QSS is a Get-Out-Of-Death Realm free card.

These are just a few examples of how easy it is to fully cancel and ignore a Morde ult. It seems to still be treated as a debuff, and there are many ways to ignore his ult.

I say make Morde's ult Unstoppable. Where you can't just eat an orange and be ok, where you can't Olaf ult of the D Realm, where anyone with an ANimation cancel can't just cancel your ult (looking at you Riven, Aatrox, and ulting Yasuos), or Spell sheild out of it.

RITO plz, almost everyone cancels Mord's ult

35 Comments

SomeStars6/3/2019, 6:38:18 PM8 votes

i believe it should have a moment of counterplay in the channel, but it should only end when the 7 seconds are up or 1 person dies. Gangplank be able to stop the channel but he should NOT be able to end it after it starts. the same should occur with olaf, QSS, parry, and other crap.

it may seam "unfair" but it adds skill to the matchups on both sides.

Pika Fox6/3/2019, 7:27:34 PM5 votes

All of this is intended. Learn to play your champion, and stop complaining that someone else learned their own champion.

DerMangoJoghurt6/3/2019, 7:36:01 PM4 votes

Olaf can R out of the Death Realm.

Can we just appreciate how fitting that is though? Olaf's whole deal in lore is that he wants a glorious death, but his berserker nature is keeping him alive in every combat encounter, no matter how ridiculous.

Secretly a Phos6/4/2019, 3:46:53 AM3 votes

Spell immunity does and should stop it. Debuff cleansing shouldn't, because the debuff is separate from the duel: losing 10% stats is a debuff. Being in the death realm isn't.

Also, fix his interaction with Kindred. Wolf shouldn't count as a pet, especially when you don't summon him, you just set targets(such as with w or e3). It feels stupid to not be able to use half of my kit because of an interaction that shouldn't exist. Especially considering that Wolf counts as the same sort of "part of the champion" thing Willump does, and that's not nullified by his ult.

Worst part of that is if you consider Kindred's kit, they should actually be a counter to Morde, but Morde counters you solely because wolf doesn't enter the death realm, even though he should, especially as not being in the map should count as leaving w area, thus summoning him to death realm.

Bârd6/4/2019, 1:34:57 AM3 votes

It should be treated exactly the same as Death Mark for this purpose.

Fiora should work, since it's an anti-everything button. Sivir, Noc, Banshee's, and Edge of Night should work, since it's a spell.

Morg shield, Olaf ult, and QSS shouldn't work.

Otara6/3/2019, 9:37:28 PM2 votes

I agree that some things need to be tweaked, or even straight up fixed. Vandiril has a video on YouTube showing a ton of champion interactions with Morde ult, where even some abilities just don't do damage.

In my opinion, Riot should have made Morde's ult a little more akin to Jarvan's ult with really cool graphics, not this whole "death realm" thing. It's causing way too many buggy interactions. For example, if Nunu channels his ult near the beginning or end of Morde's ult, it doesn't deal damage to the realm Nunu is in. Vandiril didn't show if Nunu's ult still dealt damage in the real world after Morde takes him to the shadow realm, though. This and a plethora of other abilities should follow the caster into the Death Realm, which actually causes a huge programming challenge, ergo the simpler "Jarvan-esque" ult programming.

A channel time sounds like a good way to balance a lot of these issues, too. If Morde begins to channel his ult on a Fiora with her W up, she'll block it. (Because magic sword? Science?) That seems to me a good amount of counterplay for such a strong ultimate. However, once you're in, nothing should be able to take you out besides winning the duel or dying.

Meteora7076/3/2019, 10:16:56 PM1 votes

of course you shouldn't be able to ult a fucking spell shielded target mate the fuck, as for QSS I guess its debatable but everything else makes sense here.

tes2006/28/2019, 12:54:44 AM1 votes

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When I first saw the Mord rework, I thought his ult was neat. But, now that he's been out for testing, there are things that fully negate Mordekaiser's ult, causing it to do nothing, and going on it's insanely long CD.

Fiora can Parry Mord's ULT. Olaf can R out of the Death Realm. Gangplank eats an orange to get out of Death Realm. Morganas spell sheild causes Mord's ULT to do nothing and go on CD. Edge of Night spell sheild does the same as Morgana. Even if you interrupt an ulting Urgot with Mord's ULT, Urgot still kills them while he is in the Death Realm. Even tho it's not a debuff, QSS is a Get-Out-Of-Death Realm free card.

These are just a few examples of how easy it is to fully cancel and ignore a Morde ult. It seems to still be treated as a debuff, and there are many ways to ignore his ult.

I say make Morde's ult Unstoppable. Where you can't just eat an orange and be ok, where you can't Olaf ult of the D Realm, where anyone with an ANimation cancel can't just cancel your ult (looking at you Riven, Aatrox, and ulting Yasuos), or Spell sheild out of it.

RITO plz, almost everyone cancels Mord's ult

So what if Gangplank can counter mord's ult, that's the power of vitamin C.

NTrumpWeTrust6/3/2019, 7:17:54 PM1 votes

If it couldn't be gotten out of that by those things, he would be way too oppressive. That said, the CD should prob be reduced if consumed by spell shields, but then we run into a consistency issue.

Jinzo Torrance6/4/2019, 6:00:19 AM1 votes

Morde Ult goes through Malz passive for some reason though...

KFCeytron6/4/2019, 6:12:01 AM1 votes

You're making it sound like Morde's ult will basically always be canceled by any champion at any time, when it's actually just a few specific spells and one niche item.

Ninjas Flossing6/4/2019, 6:59:51 AM1 votes

im of the opinion that mordes new ult is terrible for league of legends as a whole so, no, i disagree

Z3Sleeper6/6/2019, 3:04:39 AM1 votes

Oh so it's all fine and dandy that you COMPLETELY remove my ghouls and maiden but it's not okay for someone else to stop your ult?

Either both options exist or neither do :)

Will be running QSS til that happens :)

JoZo12966/8/2019, 8:59:54 PM1 votes

Mordekaiser: pulls gangplank into the death realm Gangplank: calmly eats an orange Mordekaiser: where did he go?

WEREW0LF6/14/2019, 3:55:20 AM1 votes

There is a lot of stuff like this. Like Yasuos level 1 windwall can stop a Jinx ult, A nami ult, an ashe ult, really any 1 shot thing... and so on. Some things that dont even travel in the air (like a wave) are stopped by it, I am not sure but it may even stop a Kalista champion toss. It is pretty broken. It also stops things that are not projectiles in a classic sense, but like Jinx chompers being thrown.

Olafs ult makes him immune to all cc right but Zacs now old, but new, pancake ult could pick him up and move him entirely while in an ult.

Pyke is super broken in this way. If blitz or whatever go to grab you and you get the hit off first it will interrupt them, pyke can wind up and if you hit him the hook still goes off. Its the only ability in the game I can think of that has a wind up and still goes off regardless of interactions.

There are also examples of the other way around like Zeds ult, you click R, you click a guy. They WILL be ulted. You can not QSS it or cleanse it. Its one of the most broken ults ever. The only things I found that help are get a Zhonyas and do a 1 Mississippi 2 Mississippi and click OR possible a edge of night helps some and/or a barrier. I understand that his ult damage is multiplied by the damage he does while marked but yea.... This is a game that decided point and click roots/stuns (like tarics only one) are too powerful. Only like 2 things; Fiddle FEAR and Ryze rune prison are still a thing like that.

There are a lot of normal things that cancel out ults and weird interactions. It does suck GP just has to eat an orange lol....

And for a bonus broken person, Sejuani. People dont realize how broken she really is. On almost every type of special mark or stun there is a set cool down. Sylas has to wait to steal your ult, shacko can not back stab you over and over, nautalus can only stagger you with his passive so often, Udyr bear stun has a timer.... but Seejuani has no cool down on perma frost. IF you have 1-2 other melee on your team you can perma stun the enemy. I have no idea how this is so over looked. Its very broken.

I came here by googling if anyone knew if Kha Xiz passive of isolation works in Mordes new ult, or doesnt Noc also get some kind of bonus when alone? anyone know?

Butterwood6/3/2019, 7:32:02 PM1 votes

Spell shield stops Amumu ult, Malphite ult, etc. That's the way it works.