What are you looking for in the Taric rework?

Taric the Gay·Mar 17, 2016·8 votes·2,494 views

In his current state Taric is considered to be a tanky support and when compared to other tanky supports is rendered obsolete in how one dimensional he is. He lacks the universal tankiness of Tahm Kench, the lockdown of Leona, the peeling power of Alistar and the mobility of Braum. Besides his flamboyant style and subtly erotic personality, there really is nothing he brings that nobody else doesn't.

Personally I am looking for improvements in either his mobility or his crowd control. Thus far Riot's ability to upgrade champions visually is on par. But he needs... Something. Thematically if they give him a blind or a charm that would be great. Or even a small leap like Lucian or Graves with a minor displacement would be appreciated. I just want something for our favorite Gem knight to have that makes him unique.

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ImmortalBloodCYMar 17, 20163 votes

Being Even More Fabulous.

Taric the GayMar 17, 20161 votes

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Being Even More Fabulous.

There will be a tiara incorporated in Taric's visual update. Increased levels of fabulousness are confirmed.

Chase Me DaddyMar 17, 20163 votes

So we know some stuff about the new Taric:

Has a similiar passive. Still heals, stuns, scales of armor and gives a form of aura. Has the strongest spell in league if used in the right situation. His damage is more single target whilst his ccing spells are more of an AOE. Is more of an battle healer so is probably best used to either hard engage or hard disengage, also his concept of constantly fighting remains. Immobile, think of him like a juggernaut or really immobile tank. Some of the stuff he brings to the table is really really powerful if you know how to use it.

So yeah thats all we know about his gameplay atm. Im looking forward him beeing a popular support again, especially because hypercarrys are really popular atm (Jhin, Kog, Vayne etc) and they really need a protective support that can peel but also hard engage. And about the unique part he probably will be, i mean look at all the other reworks that came out. Fiora, Poppy, Sion, Shen, Gangplank, Sion, ... they all are unique in a different cool way. Taric will probably more of a niche because he still scales of armor, so he performs a lot better if the enemy has no form of hard magic damage. But we'll see when he comes on PBE (probably next week like it seems).

Taric the GayMar 17, 20161 votes

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So we know some stuff about the new Taric:

Has a similiar passive. Still heals, stuns, scales of armor and gives a form of aura. Has the strongest spell in league if used in the right situation. His damage is more single target whilst his ccing spells are more of an AOE. Is more of an battle healer so is probably best used to either hard engage or hard disengage, also his concept of constantly fighting remains. Immobile, think of him like a juggernaut or really immobile tank. Some of the stuff he brings to the table is really really powerful if you know how to use it.

So yeah thats all we know about his gameplay atm. Im looking forward him beeing a popular support again, especially because hypercarrys are really popular atm (Jhin, Kog, Vayne etc) and they really need a protective support that can peel but also hard engage. And about the unique part he probably will be, i mean look at all the other reworks that came out. Fiora, Poppy, Sion, Shen, Gangplank, Sion, ... they all are unique in a different cool way. Taric will probably more of a niche because he still scales of armor, so he performs a lot better if the enemy has no form of hard magic damage. But we'll see when he comes on PBE (probably next week like it seems).

Thanks for the info. Can you link where you found it all?

I don't mind if his style was the same where he was still a sustain/kill laner, but he needs more options to get the job done. If his damage is all solo target I would be ok with that. That would make him a better top laner and mid laner. And AOE CC would greatly improve his support game.

Riot's hype makes me nervous. They did the same to Mordekaiser and Shen and both of those were downgrades in my eyes.

Chase Me DaddyMar 17, 20161 votes

Most of the info you can find here: http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/ll6gkAek-heres-a-post-where-you-can-ask-questions-about-the-stuff-ive-worked-on-and-ill-try-to-answer

RiotRepertoir gave a lot of answers about what new Taric still has. And because he is one of the ones working on Taric im pretty sure he will be in a good spot after the rework. Also (just my opinion) i think Shen was pretty good, it wasn't something impressive but it was pretty okay. Morde really was a fail i agree... but riot knows it so he is back on the list for a full VGU.

Taric the GayMar 17, 20162 votes

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Most of the info you can find here: http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/ll6gkAek-heres-a-post-where-you-can-ask-questions-about-the-stuff-ive-worked-on-and-ill-try-to-answer

RiotRepertoir gave a lot of answers about what new Taric still has. And because he is one of the ones working on Taric im pretty sure he will be in a good spot after the rework. Also (just my opinion) i think Shen was pretty good, it wasn't something impressive but it was pretty okay. Morde really was a fail i agree... but riot knows it so he is back on the list for a full VGU.

I just hope Riot Repertoir can deliver on his promise that Taric will have the strongest ability in the game if used properly. I'm still not convinced because that is a pretty big promise to fulfill right there.

Shen was great in his old form because he was immovable. He had no energy issues (his new reincarnation has massive energy issues) and was able to play his lane super passive and farm under tower all early game. If he got tower dove people would get taunted and people would die. But otherwise it was just a farm lane that Shen decided when the fights would take place. Now he's a skirmisher which is more interesting but with his energy management issues he cannot stay in fights for long times like he was in his old form. His old form towards end game could stay in the fight and dish out considerable DPS while being super tanky. This one just has early kill potential. I'd much rather trade away the early kill potential for the unstoppable power of the old Shen's late game.

Mordekaiser is just... confused. He has no clue what he wants to be when he grows up. And Riot doesn't either.

Rocky2Mar 17, 20162 votes

I like playing Taric, but he needs to be a little more interesting to play. I can't wait to see what they have in store for him. I loved maining him last season (58% win rate over ~70 games) but he's not always as satisfying to play as other champs.

CatastropMar 17, 20161 votes

That he gets an ability that Blinds the target/s. Honestly with moves like Dazzle and Radiance, you'd expect something of the sort to be there.

Taric the GayMar 17, 20161 votes

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That he gets an ability that Blinds the target/s. Honestly with moves like Dazzle and Radiance, you'd expect something of the sort to be there.

I would love to have a blind that comes out in a cone target area with closer targets being blinded for longer. Nothing overpowered where it lasts as long as Morgana's dark binding but a blind that lasts for atleast an auto attack or two. Something to compensate for the vulnerability that happens when you activate shatter.

I think the only ability I want to be untouched is Taric's shatter. The heal is too weak, the stun does not last long at all and his offensive steroid does not synergize well with a kit which is immobile.

CatastropMar 17, 20161 votes

Shatter is definitely a core part of his kit in my opinion and would be nice if he kept the armour mage feel. I actually wouldn't mind him keeping the heal. I quite like the concept of him using Gemcraft for healing purposes, the stun on the other hand can definitely go or if Riot decides to keep it, then it should be radically changed from its current iteration. Like I've literally seen people walk to safety while it was in the air because of how slow it is.

Savage DeviMar 17, 20161 votes

Gems. I wish for gems.

VeraskaMar 17, 20161 votes

RR said he has situationaly the most powerful move in the game" and I'm very curious what that could possibly mean

Big LincolnMar 17, 20161 votes

I actually want him to be the jack-of-all-trades support that he is now. It's nice to have those archetypes, and I think that all of the things Taric has right now (except for his ultimate) make sense on who he is. Having more CC would be preferential to more mobility for me; I really appreciate that he's got a Juggernaut vibe to him.

That said, I want him to just be more fun. As it is now, he's fairly simple and not in the good way; he doesn't really.. make plays, and is a little too straightforward with how the game is panning out now. Having a kit with more interaction between players and some big high moments would definitely make me play him again.

Taric the GayMar 17, 20161 votes

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I actually want him to be the jack-of-all-trades support that he is now. It's nice to have those archetypes, and I think that all of the things Taric has right now (except for his ultimate) make sense on who he is. Having more CC would be preferential to more mobility for me; I really appreciate that he's got a Juggernaut vibe to him.

That said, I want him to just be more fun. As it is now, he's fairly simple and not in the good way; he doesn't really.. make plays, and is a little too straightforward with how the game is panning out now. Having a kit with more interaction between players and some big high moments would definitely make me play him again.

A jack-of-all-trades is a master of none. And every meta champion has something they exceed well at. Sona has burst poke damage, Leona has 3 forms of CC, Blitzcrank is a pick off artist, Braum has his shield, Tahm Kench eats people, Soraka has heals, Janna has peels, Morgana has her spell shield, etc. Taric has armor and gems. He doesn't have anything that only he can do that nobody else can.

This bothers me most. I think if Taric had something unique to him people would get more enjoyment from playing as him. But until that happens I will continue to hear people say "Why play Taric when you can be ______? They are so much better than boring Taric."

Big LincolnMar 17, 20161 votes

There's actually a few supports I consider to be generalist picks;

Sona has poke, heal and her ult. She's a bit of a mess as far as her kit goes right now, but she's always seemed like the aggressive one of the bunch. Her burst poke is okay but not nearly as good as, say, Karma. Her heal/shield works well together, but individually they're inferior to Soraka/Lulu/etc. Her E is a spell you can use when the others are on cooldown.

Thresh is self-explanatory, he's a Swiss army knife of supports provided you know how to use him

Taric is vaguely an antithesis to Sona for me. I like to think he's her tankier, less mobile counterpart. That said, being a generalist isn't a bad thing, and I think he could do this AND be a big playmaker. His thing could be that he's a good all-around pick. Flexible, multi-lane, multi-use with maybe a really cool, unique ultimate skill and dependable normal abilities. Because that's what Taric is; dependable.

Taric the GayMar 17, 20161 votes

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There's actually a few supports I consider to be generalist picks;

Sona has poke, heal and her ult. She's a bit of a mess as far as her kit goes right now, but she's always seemed like the aggressive one of the bunch. Her burst poke is okay but not nearly as good as, say, Karma. Her heal/shield works well together, but individually they're inferior to Soraka/Lulu/etc. Her E is a spell you can use when the others are on cooldown.

Thresh is self-explanatory, he's a Swiss army knife of supports provided you know how to use him

Taric is vaguely an antithesis to Sona for me. I like to think he's her tankier, less mobile counterpart. That said, being a generalist isn't a bad thing, and I think he could do this AND be a big playmaker. His thing could be that he's a good all-around pick. Flexible, multi-lane, multi-use with maybe a really cool, unique ultimate skill and dependable normal abilities. Because that's what Taric is; dependable.

Thresh is generalist. His hook is a kill ability. His passive on flay gives poke. And his lantern shield is a minor form of sustain. And he infinitelyrics scales with his true passive.

Sona has a poke and a sustain but she lacks kill power due to her fragile nature and lack of dps. Sona can kill but she does it through poke bursting targets. She is better at short skirmishes than long drawn out fights. Sona is not a generalist. Karma is a poke/sustain, Lulu is a generalist and Soraka is sustain/poke.

The only other generalist support champion is Morgana. Poke is dark binding, kill is her ultimate and her pool and sustain is her passive and black shield.

Taric is not a generalist. He is a sustain/kill laner. His armor and heal make him a tank to AD sources and his passive and ultimate gives him kill potential. But he has no poke. Spamming dazzle will make him go oom before it kills an enemy. He has 2 modes: armor aura bot and man mode. He is not a generalist.

KuwabaramulberryMar 19, 20161 votes

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I actually want him to be the jack-of-all-trades support that he is now. It's nice to have those archetypes, and I think that all of the things Taric has right now (except for his ultimate) make sense on who he is. Having more CC would be preferential to more mobility for me; I really appreciate that he's got a Juggernaut vibe to him.

That said, I want him to just be more fun. As it is now, he's fairly simple and not in the good way; he doesn't really.. make plays, and is a little too straightforward with how the game is panning out now. Having a kit with more interaction between players and some big high moments would definitely make me play him again.

For all the people talking about Taric not having a niche, I would like to bring up that Taric is the only support I've played that can 1v1 the current AD pubstompers. Coming from a support lane. I've had numerous games where I've turtled long enough against shacos, yasuos, and fioras that they couldn't fight me with just IBG FOTM and thornmail, and ended up blowing up teamfights for a win. Honestly, I'm terrified of this rework. Everything currently just comes together really well in some situations (like a balanced champ should, getting obviously blown away by AP,) and I really can't see them changing anything that won't break the champ. Aside from adding three paragraphs to his ult (cause you know, trends)

Big LincolnMar 19, 20161 votes

yeah, i forgot how hard he could slap AD champions, definitely hope they consider that when reworking him.

I would definitely change his ultimate at the very least. It's a very boring ability and really only ever gets used to help cycle his passive some more.

VesperNadalMar 17, 20161 votes

I want to see him be less gay... just kidding, that's the opposite of what I want.

In all seriousness, I want Taric to have a silence that way he has some form of retaliation for the enemy support in lane. Having armor is great but the enemy support always ends up murdering him no matter what he does. Taric runs out of mana if he spams heal so waiting them out really isn't an option. And if he goes on the offensive he gets kited/peeled and loses a chunk of his health anyway. So it's a lose/lose situation.

Blue Moon WolfMar 17, 20161 votes

I remember a rioter mentioning how they would like him as more of a Juggernaut Support and I liked that idea. Considering how you don't really see a support fighter (let alone a support juggernaut), it could be a nice niche for him. He would likely have to deal less damage than someone like Garen or Mordekaiser , but based on his current kit (since that's all i have to go on for now) his lack of damage would be balanced by sustain, team buffs and debuffs on the enemy, making him able to sustain his way through a 1v1.

Taric the GayMar 17, 20161 votes

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I remember a rioter mentioning how they would like him as more of a Juggernaut Support and I liked that idea. Considering how you don't really see a support fighter (let alone a support juggernaut), it could be a nice niche for him. He would likely have to deal less damage than someone like or , but based on his current kit (since that's all i have to go on for now) his lack of damage would be balanced by sustain, team buffs and debuffs on the enemy, making him able to sustain his way through a 1v1.

I think Alistar is closer to being that juggernaut when he has his ultimate active. 70% damage reduction from all outlets is about as juggernaut as it gets. Taric is a niche support because he is that juggernaut to AD enemies but he burns like paper when faced off against AP enemies.

TouchpadExpertMar 17, 20161 votes

I would like to see him be less item dependent. Iceborn Gauntlet is a great item on Taric but I don't like how such a pricey item is a requirement and not an option for him.

Maximum Ao ShinMar 17, 20161 votes

mjolnir wielding warrior of Asgard

Taric the GayMar 17, 20163 votes

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mjolnir wielding warrior of Asgard

http://pm1.narvii.com/5767/bea55ad37e0d5886d40e81f09801038117e506b2_hq.jpg

Screen shot :D

KrigjerMar 17, 20161 votes

I really hope his ult stays relatively the same. It sounds lackluster but in actual practice, it brings a lot of power to fights.

Taric the GayMar 17, 20161 votes

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I really hope his ult stays relatively the same. It sounds lackluster but in actual practice, it brings a lot of power to fights.

If there was a speed boost included in the activation of it I might want it to be kept as it would serve a utility purpose, but just straight up increased AD and AP on a champ without a gap closing ability? That's not getting the full effect out of the ability.

KrigjerMar 17, 20161 votes

If there was a speed boost included in the activation of it I might want it to be kept as it would serve a utility purpose, but just straight up increased AD and AP on a champ without a gap closing ability? That's not getting the full effect out of the ability.

Notice I said 'relatively the same'. I mean compared to other reworks, such as Poppy's old ult being reworked completely into a new ability. I'm fine with them changing it, but I hope they keep the stat increase when activated, because I really like it.

PrinceBedazzledMar 17, 20161 votes

I want his stun to stay the same. Its very solid and point and click cc is becoming so rare its nice to have somebody simple to play. However i want some sort of twist on his heal... maybe make you gain stacks of some sort of gem glow or something cheesy i really dont know. But it would be nice if the heal felt more interactive and had some high points and rewards to playing around it. His w aura is awesome but i think it should become his new passive, and give him a brand new spell in the w slot.

FrostiFlamiMar 17, 20161 votes

I'm excited for his new kit,

but what I'm looking for is for Taric to keep some sort of armor passive from his W. I would also like them to make something similar to his current ult.