Don't pick "champion name". He/She doesn't fit into the meta or Dude why "champion name" jungle? He/She is mid/top!!
Remember this: **There are no bad champions. Just stupid players. **
Dude, just CC him/her or Dude, just buy Zhonyas or Dude, stop focusing the tank
And remember this: Easier said than done.
I'm pretty sure lots of you can relate to this.
manbearswine7 votesRemember this: **There are no bad champions. Just stupid players. **
False,there very much are bad champions.
And remember this: Easier said than done.
I'm pretty sure lots of you can relate to this.
True.
DrCyanide5 votesUrgot and Yorick both got picked in the LCS this season and won. Olaf has won a few games in the LCS too.
The LCS might actually be challenging the idea of "bad" champions. Certainly there are better all around champions, but "bad" is another thing all together.
manbearswine2 votesUrgot and Yorick both got picked in the LCS this season and won. Olaf has won a few games in the LCS too.
It seems after his latest buffs urgot is considered strong now(or I confused some scoreboards page,though I don't think I did). Anyway,the competitive scene is rather confused now,they are still people and need to make up their mind about certain things,if yorick will still be seen after the dust settles there would be something to talk about,winning means little,as large gaps of skill can exist even in the competitive scene,I remember some game(2 years ago or something) ap nida+support veigar were played bot(in some of the earlier rounds of the world championship),simply cause the team who ran them knew they were much better,and they did in fact win.
The LCS might actually be challenging the idea of "bad" champions.
They aren't,they are just adapting to the recent changes to itemization.
Certainly there are better all around champions, but "bad" is another thing all together.
Oh there most certainly are,but calling them out will cause a bunch of swagtalk narrowing hard on their strengths,and completely ignoring their weaknesses,what does lux have on ahri? a slightly larger range? oh that's totally worth her mana costs,her lack of mobility,the fact that ahri can easily roam and escape ganks better,the fact that she can easily rotate to deal with splitpushers or bad positioning,oh and ofc,the stronger laning phase.
As much as a lot of swagtalkers would love to deny(inb4 "I always win lux vs ahri,it's easy,just snare her") it,this isn't some small gap of power,it's an abyss between them.
Deadly Mittens1 votes
was extremely popular during the season 1 tournaments despite being one of the weakest arranged champs in the game and having a 30% win rate in the tourny.
Sometimes weak champs work and for some comps they actually fit in well but with over 100 champions it is inevitable that some are putting your team at a disadvantage just by you choosing them.
Orangesilk1 votesUrgot and Yorick aren't really that bad TBH, just very focused on winning lane.
The bad champions are the ones Riot overnerfed to extinction and have become useless:
Those actually used to be played by the pros, then they got nuked out of orbit by Riot, they are nonexistent now.
Sir Yamazuki1 votesFalse,there very much are bad champions.
You can win with anything in soloq, anyone who claims they lost a game due to someone picking a champion they don't like is just scapegoating instead of admitting their faults. There are people who have mained "trash" champions and make it to plat/diamond playing those champions mostly. There are even some champions that the community claims to be weak and in need of buffs that even maintain win rates above 50%, just shows the community really is that clueless.
manbearswine2 votes[{quoted}](name=Sir Yamazuki,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=XNpge5Pi,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2015-04-02T20:33:26.895+0000)
You can win with anything in soloq, anyone who claims they lost a game due to someone picking a champion they don't like is just scapegoating instead of admitting their faults.
You can also win games with intentional feeders and afks,I guess anyone blaming those for their loss is just scapegoating instead of admitting their faults as well.
No,just no,you might be able to win with anything but just like afks and feeders you can handicap yourself pretty hard with certain picks(and I don't even mean trollpicks).
There are people who have mained "trash" champions and make it to plat/diamond playing those champions mostly.
I can do the same,I would just reach higher by picking champions which aren't shit.
There are even some champions that the community claims to be weak and in need of buffs that even maintain win rates above 50%, just shows the community really is that clueless.
No,this shows you to be completely clueless,that number is shit,le blanc is op bs,and ashe is NOT strong,idc what these worthless numbers say,I actually play the game and I know better than to worship that idiotic number.
Sir Yamazuki1 votesYou can also win games with intentional feeders and afks,I guess anyone blaming those for their loss is just scapegoating instead of admitting their faults as well.
No,just no,you might be able to win with anything but just like afks and feeders you can handicap yourself pretty hard with certain picks(and I don't even mean trollpicks).
I can do the same,I would just reach higher by picking champions which aren't shit.
No,this shows you to be completely clueless,that number is shit,le blanc is op bs,and ashe is NOT strong,idc what these worthless numbers say,I actually play the game and I know better than to worship that idiotic number.
Sorry but, feeders and picking a champion aren't the same. I don't see anyone getting to plat/diamond by intentionally feeding, afking, or trolling every single game, but I do see people getting to plat/diamond maining "trash" champions. At least stick to the subject instead of bringing up irrelevant things.
With an exception of something like Bard, you're not handicapping yourself nor your team by picking an unpopular champion that you know how to play. What is handicapping yourself and your team is being one of those ignorant people picking Sej (or insert any other fotm champion) then feeding 10 kills to early invades just because she's strong. Not everyone needs to be a good little sheep nor is everyone going to be good at playing the current dominant champions.
Numbers are important, trash champions would in no way shape or form ever be able to win any games with a decent pick rate. Again, you're just a little sheep who will only play or want their allies to pick what ever their little pro gods claim to be good.
manbearswine1 votes[{quoted}](name=Sir Yamazuki,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=XNpge5Pi,comment-id=0001000100000000,timestamp=2015-04-02T21:56:16.963+0000)
Sorry but, feeders and picking a champion aren't the same. I don't see anyone getting to plat/diamond by intentionally feeding, afking, or trolling every single game, but I do see people getting to plat/diamond maining "trash" champions. At least stick to the subject instead of bringing up irrelevant things.
How is it irrelevant,you said "you can win with anything" which I replied with "you can win with afks/feeders". So what if people can handicap themselves and reach plat/diamond? what does that prove? that they are even better than the division they are currently in? you mean to tell me there are d1,master tiers and challengers in this game? well,no shit.
With an exception of something like Bard, you're not handicapping yourself nor your team by picking an unpopular champion that you know how to play. What is handicapping yourself and your team is being one of those ignorant people picking Sej (or insert any other fotm champion) then feeding 10 kills to early invades just because she's strong. Not everyone needs to be a good little sheep nor is everyone going to be good at playing the current dominant champions.
How about I pick something which I'm good at AND is actually good itself instead? brilliant,I know.
Numbers are important, trash champions would in no way shape or form ever be able to win any games with a decent pick rate.
What are you calling a decent pickrate? and what the hell do you mean "any games"? it's a team game you know,a worthless pick can be carried by it's allies.
Again, you're just a little sheep who will only play or want their allies to pick what ever their little pro gods claim to be good.
No,I've actually climbed to diamond and saw how what I consider to be op to start dominating the competitive scene,you're the sheep,trying to think you know better than everyone(cause by now being a smartass is mainstream),when everyone actually got the idea right,while mindlessly worshiping winrates at the same time.
I Am Florg3 votesMy fav advice: "Stop feeding" as if the player didn't already know that dying was a bad thing.
ZombieNinja War2 votesdepends if its ranked or not. if its ranked it should fit into the team comp and you better have tried it before that game a lot. had a liss go jungle and bard go top in a ranked game liss couldn't clear any camp. and bard did nothing entire game except let top free farm.
and saying dude buy zhonyas, is good and bad say it nice and give a few items maybe people don't rember what items are good. i tell supports to get a 
if other team has snares and stuff and the support is like oh forgot about that item.
but i get what your saying it gets annoying.
manbearswine1 votes[{quoted}](name=ZombieNinja War,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=XNpge5Pi,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2015-04-02T13:41:59.125+0000)
depends if its ranked or not. if its ranked it should fit into the team comp and you better have tried it before that game a lot.
Don't exaggerate it,most people don't care for that so it's just not true,feel free to pick lucian "cause you feel like it",just not ashe.
had a liss go jungle and bard go top in a ranked game liss couldn't clear any camp. and bard did nothing entire game except let top free farm.
I think you are taking it to the extreme,I don't want a mid zyra on my team,I don't care if it's not exactly trolling,it's just horrible.
and saying dude buy zhonyas, is good and bad say it nice and give a few items maybe people don't rember what items are good.
Zhonyas is one of the more "buyable" defensive items,still,if it's a mana based champion he will most likely need mana regen first.
i tell supports to get a
here's the thing though,this item is very heavy on mana regen,and plenty of supports just can't make use of that,making the item give almost nothing aside from the active for a massive cost(with a massive cooldown of 180 seconds),if it's a nami it's one thing,otherwise just get qss,the active costs less(as in the gold payed for it),has a shorter cooldown,removes things mikaels does not,is immediate,and builds into mercurial.
ZombieNinja War2 voteshere's the thing though,this item is very heavy on mana regen,and plenty of supports just can't make use of that,making the item give almost nothing aside from the active for a massive cost(with a massive cooldown of 180 seconds),if it's a nami it's one thing,otherwise just get qss,the active costs less(as in the gold payed for it),has a shorter cooldown,removes things mikaels does not,is immediate,and builds into mercurial.
qss is only for yourself tho this can work on anyone. if a malz uslts randome peopel get it if he ulst adc adc shoudl have a qss. so i see both sides. i get crucible on thresh.
Ariel the Cruel2 votesI think his point is that the item isn't the most efficient for most supports. It's expensive; and supports still have tight budgets (though it's a lot better than it once was). Most support items have mana regen and CDR, to the point that they often overfill on the stats. The MR is nice, but most supports don't scale off it. And unless you buy a large chunk of defensive stats, they're not that useful; what with all the pen running around these days. The heal also isn't that impressive unless you have a lot of health. Most most supports don't. Most carries don't. Tanks are often out of range.
Which means the primary value of this item is the active. Now don't get me wrong, the active is incredibly powerful. More than enough to justify building it anyways most of the time. But sometimes, we're simply better off building a ghosts, Censer, or locket.
ZombieNinja War1 votesi guess everyone has there own build i typically play thesh and don't try to do damage just support my team in every way
Ariel the Cruel2 votesShields, heals, and speed changes+ scale off AP. So for champions like Soraka, Nami, or Janna, the AP from twin ghosts could be worth more than the healing from crucible (I haven't done the math). The goal isn't necessarily to "do damage".
EDIT: As I said though. The active cleanse is still strong enough to justify buying it most of the time.
+I still find Riot's "utility scaling" to be a bad joke.
manbearswine1 votes[{quoted}](name=ZombieNinja War,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=XNpge5Pi,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2015-04-02T14:32:35.067+0000)
qss is only for yourself tho this can work on anyone.
the thing is qss isn't exactly for anyone,you generally aren't going to waste a 180 cd to remove cc from a tank(situationally it can be used that way,but that's not what you buy it for),it's mostly aimed at the mid laner and the adc.
if a malz uslts randome peopel get it
malz ult is suppression,only qss removes that.
if he ulst adc adc shoudl have a qss. so i see both sides. i get crucible on thresh.
I mean people do it in competitive but they just go in fast and hard,I really don't think mikaels is a good buy on thresh as far as solo q mentality is concered,just get rightous glory instead if you want mana,you also get a crapton of hp and a really strong active.
Xtremey1 votes[{quoted}](name=ZombieNinja War,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=XNpge5Pi,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2015-04-02T13:41:59.125+0000)
depends if its ranked or not. if its ranked it should fit into the team comp and you better have tried it before that game a lot. had a liss go jungle and bard go top in a ranked game liss couldn't clear any camp. and bard did nothing entire game except let top free farm. and saying dude buy zhonyas, is good and bad say it nice and give a few items maybe people don't rember what items are good. i tell supports to get a
on the contrary, I'd rather have a 
adc who knows the ins and outs of the champion then a first time 
trying to conform to the team comp.
junglerboy162 votesIt mostly annoys me when the person saying "don't pick X they are bad in the meta" has obviously not seen the patch notes of the last 4 months. "Don't pick Sion jungle!" Me: "Dude, I've been playing him in jungle since the relaunch and they just buffed him even harder. Pls read the patch notes."
MrBuffington2 votesIIRC Sion jungle has the highest win rate in the game (or did not too long ago)
Spacesuit Spiff1 votesThere are champs that will make you hate life when you pick them. Sure, mains can take advantage of the fact that nobody knows how to deal with them (just saw a guy playing Noct and it was almost comical, enemy team didn't even understand the concept of a spellshield) but I wouldn't trust some random unless I checked their match history.
DrathTurtle3141 votesSure there are bad champions: 
wow that's a lot...
now, for the good champs: 
And honorable mention for: 
The rest I would consider "viable." Just my opinion though, feel free to downvote as you see fit.
Robert Smith1 votesCan you please explain the logic of your picks
DrathTurtle3141 votesI can play the good ones, the bad ones are the ones I consistently feed with.
Robert Smith1 votesThink your confusing low and high skill cap. Seeing it that way makes more sense
Orangesilk1 votesThere's one I hate with my life:
-"WTF, you're letting Nasus farm, you noob, gg, reported".
I am goddamn 
and no, not every champion can just zone out Nasus.
