As a Support Main

doiminat0r3600·Aug 22, 2015·9 votes·521 views

I appreciate when my carry:

wards
tells me I am doing a good job
takes heal so I can take ignite or exaust
tells me where they are going
doesn't flame me for helping other lanes when they are behind

I don't appreciate it when my carry:

runs into lane without me
dies and then flames me (although they didn't have heal and are behind)
complains when I accidentally take a CS (even when I have )
they complain because I don't submit to their every whim
they get hard countered and complain because I'm not carrying them or tanking the damage

21 Comments

disregardableAug 22, 20152 votes

This sounds a lot like the post of someone who doesn't back with his ADC. If you start doing that, not only will you get less complaints, you might actually win more lanes.

Demon King MaouAug 22, 20151 votes

how can you do that when your adc recalls and enemy is right infront of your turret? just abandon it or what?

disregardableAug 22, 20152 votes

Yes. If it's before 15 minutes, they're not gonna have the damage to take it down. If it's after 15 minutes, it'd probably be better for the team if the turret goes down from being left than if bot lane goes 4 minutes 1v2. Besides, it's not like you can do much as the support to stop them from taking it.

Demon King MaouAug 22, 20151 votes

but you don't know that the enemy jungler wont jump outta the jungle and come take the turret (Xin Zhao can take 1000 hp atleast within 1 Q W early game and certain other champs can do this aswell)

disregardableAug 22, 20152 votes

They can just dive you 1v3...

Plus most of the time, situations like that are in fact created by supports not backing with their ADCs.

The support doesn't wait for their ADC to get BF before backing. ADC is shoved to turret and loses some health. When the support gets back, the ADC can't engage now and has to farm under turret to scrape up the rest for BF. The support is still full health and half mana, so he refuses to back when the ADC finally gets enough. By the time the ADC gets back to lane, of course the support is oom, so he has to leave the ADC to hold tower 1v2 again, or at minimum just sit there and do nothing. All of this gives the enemy ADC a huge farm advantage.

Now, situation 2.

The support is oom but waits for the ADC to get BF. He can't do much, be he can auto and give the ADC some presence to farm well. They can somewhat shove the lane and then back for BF and Sightstone+Pink. If the enemy ADC stays, the turret loses 1/4th its health, but he then has to back giving your ADC a chance to return the damage with a damage item. You can both then full on engage the enemy bot lane or reliably follow up a gank. Their bot lane loses too much health to stay, so you and your support can back together and repeat the process.

See how much better situation 2 sounds?

doiminat0r3600Aug 22, 20151 votes

So, Scenario 1:

Firstly, A decent ADC would not push lane without the support. Period. Secondly, ADC's Hardly ever engage. That's the tank/support's job. Just because the support doesnt back doesnt mean they will use a bunch of spells and all of their mana. You seem to have forgotten that support's are on this post for a reason. We know what we are doing and we dont get enough credit from the carries for it. Thirdly, the support hardly ever does nothing. they are always the one shielding the carry when they can and they see damage incoming and/or disengage the enemy.

Scenario 2:

Firstly, Your second sentence describes the exact same scenario from the end of the first scenario. Please tell me if i'm wrong about that. Secondly, a normal support would not be able to get 900 gold in that same amount of time without upgrading a item 3301 into a item 3096 (giving 5 gold each time the ADC gets a CS and 4 every time he doesnt). The normal route is to back at ~ 1200 g for a item 2049 + then swap your trinket for a item 3341 . You get more gold income, and you can get counter ward income. Thirdly, why would the friendly tower lose 1/4th of its HP? If the support stays and prevents the carry from doing damage to the tower, then the friendly turret would have ~ 1/8th of its HP missing (normally considering the armor bonus before 15 minutes). Then the ADC can come back into lane, get some CS, and shove lane back to their turret, lowering ~1/2 of it's HP. Who's to say that their ADC lost that much (if any) HP at all?

Keep in mind this is all without the assumption of any ganks, kills, etc.

Please tell me your thoughts on why you think you're right. I'll be sure to disclaim them as falsitude and give you our (support main's) perspective on how laning should go. Especially the early phase.

doiminat0r3600Aug 22, 20152 votes

You can do alot to stop them from taking it.

You can shield it/displace them with Janna , stun, knock back and slow with Thresh , Put extra poke with Sona , Blitzcrank displacement behind turrent, and the list goes on and on. And, I normally dont back before i have 1200 g if I can so I can upgrade my starter item and buy item 2049 . Not to mention you also get solo lane XP and you can get CS until the carry comes back. Ive actually gotten a triple kill bot lane alone as Janna off of one shield and one tornado. You really can't say there is nothing we (supports) can do to stop them.

Tails DollAug 23, 20151 votes

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You can do alot to stop them from taking it.

You can shield it/displace them with , stun, knock back and slow with , Put extra poke with , displacement behind turrent, and the list goes on and on. And, I normally dont back before i have 1200 g if I can so I can upgrade my starter item and buy . Not to mention you also get solo lane XP and you can get CS until the carry comes back. Ive actually gotten a triple kill bot lane alone as off of one shield and one tornado. You really can't say there is nothing we (supports) can do to stop them.

You should really back with your ADC, or do a better job at not getting him so low (especially with janna) Plus, if your adc is a moron and backed full HP while near your tower, you cant expect much from him, just back get what you can, ward what you can and hope someone with brains carries you.

doiminat0r3600Aug 23, 20151 votes

What if I told you that if my ADC was a moron, he would have died because he ran out without me. Most of the time is because he leaves shop before me and I cant catch up. Nobody backs with full HP unless they're buying a big item. Janna can't peel/save everyone like you seem to think she can. She has cooldowns. Ive been playing her for a long time. You don't know what it's like.

Tails DollAug 23, 20151 votes

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What if I told you that if my ADC was a moron, he would have died because he ran out without me. Most of the time is because he leaves shop before me and I cant catch up. Nobody backs with full HP unless they're buying a big item. Janna can't peel/save everyone like you seem to think she can. She has cooldowns. Ive been playing her for a long time. You don't know what it's like.

Uh, expect that I do. But yeah, like I said, if your adc is a moron, just let him and roam, if he died just go roam to other lane try to get some kills. Just mute him if he rages, chances are he will stay bot lane, if you manage to help your team, the fact that he is going to perma bot means they cant really leave him alone or will destroy their base.

ADC ragers can actually carry a game if you are lucky, that's how broken they are.

BlkGolemAug 29, 20151 votes

Aha but judging by your name this is a just a trick to get the early tower as Jinx. Also possible on Trist.

doiminat0r3600Aug 22, 20151 votes

This sounds a lot like an ADC main stereotype. Try and keep that in your mind.

Demon King MaouAug 22, 20152 votes

^ Missed them not warding even though they have the trinket but expect you to do ALL THE WARDS at 1:00 to 10:00 I mean I cant afford sightstone that early yet I get flamed cause they over extend and then my team flames me for being a bad support when my adc has 5+ deaths by 8:00 cause he doesn't listen to me or wait for me

doiminat0r3600Aug 22, 20151 votes

I tried to prevent overlapping them by saying "It pleases me that they ward but it displeases me if they dont" because it seems a bit redundant.

BlkGolemAug 22, 20152 votes

Well most adcs go heal anyway, and I'd go exhaust over ignite unless you are Leona or something, who is not a support but a kill lane.

doiminat0r3600Aug 23, 20151 votes

Recently, ive seen more take TP + Flash. Idk why. Shame because we lost both games ive seen it and played.

And I know what summoners to do when. I am a support main. It's literally my job to keep them alive and give them kills.

BlkGolemAug 23, 20151 votes

Right, It's more just that I myself hate it when I see a support go ignite. Not that it's bad, but just annoying on either side really and exhaust is always useful.

doiminat0r3600Aug 24, 20151 votes

Ignite is useful especially to prevent the heals on the enemy team. It works as a Grievous wounds and an execute so your lane doesnt get away without a kill.

iltAug 22, 20151 votes

I hate it when I have to take Blitz grab for my ADC because they can't dodge or stand behind minions.

doiminat0r3600Aug 22, 20151 votes

I hate it when my ADC abandons me at towers because they have 3 people and I have to defend it myself (which I have done successfully multiple times)

WolfChasesAug 23, 20151 votes

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I appreciate when my carry:

wards

tells me I am doing a good job

takes heal so I can take ignite or exaust

tells me where they are going

doesn't flame me for helping other lanes when they are behind

I don't appreciate it when my carry:

runs into lane without me

dies and then flames me (although they didn't have heal and are behind)

complains when I accidentally take a CS (even when I have )

they complain because I don't submit to their every whim

they get hard countered and complain because I'm not carrying them or tanking the damage