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I want to ask the players on the forum a couple of serious questions

WESTFALL·3/30/2015, 1:22:07 AM·2 votes·1,066 views

Just for my personal knowledge .

I wanna find out the root of what makes people hate flaming so much and what makes them consider it so bad.

So this thread will be me just asking you people questions. No debating, no arguing. Just questions. Remember, I want honest responses

I will start with some and then eventually ask you more after you answer :

  1. What do you understand through the word " flaming " ?

  2. What do you feel when someone flames you ?

  3. Why do you think other players flame you for usually?

  4. What do you consider bad about it ?

  5. Why do you think players flame in general ?

  6. Do you consider flaming to be just as bad as intentionally feeding/leaving/afk/not helping other teammates/trolling ? Elaborate on your answer.

  7. Do you use the language filter / mute button ? How often ? Do you consider them helpful against flamers ?

  8. How often do you report flamers ?

  9. What does it take for someone to say, for you to report them for flaming ?

  10. Do you pay attention to flames/insults that other players throw at you ? Do you take them seriously ? Do you respond to them ?

  11. Do you think that doing the things mentioned at question 10 is better than just simply ignoring/not paying too much attention to them ?

  12. Do you consider the way someone talks into the chat more important than what they actually do in game and how they play ?

Thank you for your patience, and i'll wait for your answers.

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AJStarhiker3/30/2015, 3:22:15 AM3 votes

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  1. What do you understand through the word " flaming " ?

Usually it's being particularly nasty to someone. I originally saw the term in relation to Fanfiction as reviews that complain about the story, often with personal attacks against the author.

  1. What do you feel when someone flames you ?

Annoyed and irritated.

  1. Why do you think other players flame you for usually?

Low skill. Although I've had a couple who have flamed when I start the game with "May the Force be with you" instead of a standard "glhf".

  1. What do you consider bad about it ?

It's another form of bullying.

  1. Why do you think players flame in general ?

Frustration and an inability to accept their own mistakes. They think they'll feel better if they make someone else feel worse than they do. Trying to bait someone else into doing something report-worthy

  1. Do you consider flaming to be just as bad as intentionally feeding/leaving/afk/not helping other teammates/trolling ? Elaborate on your answer.

Yes. If someone has the chat window open to type, they aren't playing for however long it takes for them to type out the message. I also find I don't take the game as seriously, since I start to think they don't care if we win or lose, so why should I?

  1. Do you use the language filter / mute button ? How often ? Do you consider them helpful against flamers ?

I generally keep the language filter on, since I just prefer not to see swearing. Mute button is generally reserved for the more extreme cases.

  1. How often do you report flamers ?

Every time I mute (I use it as a reminder on who the flaming came from) and occassionally for when someone is flaming but not enough to mute.

  1. What does it take for someone to say, for you to report them for flaming ?

Usually it's going after someone who is trying but getting outplayed or is simply not as skilled a player. Frequent insults. Taking an argument into All chat, especially if they are trying to drum up reports for someone else.

  1. Do you pay attention to flames/insults that other players throw at you ? Do you take them seriously ? Do you respond to them ?

Not really. Not really. Sometimes I'll tell them to knock it off, especially if the flaming is directed at another player.. I never threaten to report them or ask other players to report.

  1. Do you think that doing the things mentioned at question 10 is better than just simply ignoring/not paying too much attention to them ?

Again, it depends on the situation. Telling someone to stop might just draw their attention if they'd been harassing someone not me, but some actually get a clue that they are risking a report after the game and do stop. Or at least tone it down.

  1. Do you consider the way someone talks into the chat more important than what they actually do in game and how they play ?

Yes. Play skills can improve. Flaming the chat gives other people less incentive to play at their best.

Thank you for your patience, and i'll wait for your answers.

You're welcome

Photos of Ghosts3/30/2015, 2:55:00 AM2 votes
  1. Any insulting word/expression/tone/ponctuation directed towards players other than oneself.
  2. Depends on the original mood and the situation. Amusement, disappointment, sadness upon realisation of the realism of the insult/of the impossibility to retaliate, frustration for not being able to enjoy the view of the flamer's certain punisment.
  3. Bad plays they surely did too a game or two before, since they're trash ELO too and everyone is unreliable at that level. Tunnel vision. Or simply good decisions or non-happened fact.
  4. The intention (manipulating others through violence). The means (ugly language, just plain unesthetism). The result (heavier atmosphere in a freaking game).
  5. Because they have to hide from their guilt. They put the blame on a random person that sits in a position of inferiority - the misplayer, and if there's none, they invent one.
  6. Worse, since it is generally considered not as problematic, since it is more related to behaviours that can happen out of the game in the exact same way, and since it looks more human - a silent troll can be mentally classified as a bot and thus more easily ignored than a flamer.
  7. I have disabled language filter, and I mute people whenever I'm not feeling like reading me some stupidity and having a good laugh. But I always suggest to the team to mute them, even when I don't personally, to prevent the general climate of the game from degenerating.
  8. Moreless 2 games out of 3.
  9. Anything like "noob", "this botlane" or similar things. I know my reports lose value as a result, but my sense of justice demands me to do it.
  10. If it's game related and I'm indeed playing badly, I feel pretty frustrated. However I couldn't care less about all the "ur mum sux diks fgt" stuff. I do not respond since we can't copypaste on chat - my to-go answer would be ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) or ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ if I could. Also, I say "muted and reported :)" as a suggestion to others and to frustrate the guy who generally (as my premades tell me) proceeds to go on a furious rant while I giggle like an idiot cause I can't see it.
  11. I don't think it would be right and acceptable of me to let someone try and be a bully in front of me - be its efficiency just "meh" or ridiculously null.
  12. Yes, absolutely. This is a game, you can have fun losing. Having fun while getting insulted is way less easy - I sometimes manage to, a good example of one who dos is Disco Heat, but it's not for everybody, it can get irritating very easily. If getting insulted was the way of having fun we had picked, there would be a popular, aggressive version of Cleverbot around instead of this game.
AJStarhiker3/30/2015, 3:24:53 PM1 votes

Ok, I get you're probably posting in Discussion view, but you didn't need to post the second question list for each person. For those of us who use Chronological, it looks like a quadrapost.

ElysMustache3/30/2015, 5:46:26 PM1 votes
  1. What do you understand through the word " flaming " ?

In this game, anything hostile. Careful criticism is acceptable if it has the goal of helping.

  1. What do you feel when someone flames you ?

A mixture of things. It depends on what they say. Amusement, sadness, anger, fury, pity, irritation, distracted.

  1. Why do you think other players flame you for usually?

So many things. Ban choice, champion choice, misplays, bad decision, split-pushing (aka not grouping), over-extending. Generally anything that they feel they would have done differently.

  1. What do you consider bad about it ?

It is contrary to teamwork. There is nothing good or useful about it; there are only negatives.

  1. Why do you think players flame in general ?

I think it is because they have infantile minds and souls full of hate, for themselves and for others.

  1. Do you consider flaming to be just as bad as intentionally feeding/leaving/afk/not helping other teammates/trolling ? Elaborate on your answer.

Well, unlike those things it doesn't invalidate the game. If someone is AFK or intentionally feeding, then we are not even playing a game that is legitimate. Flaming does make the game much less enjoyable, and hampers the team's mental ability to play well. Is it worse? I don't think I have ever tried to quantify that before, since classifying it as "bad" was sufficient for me. Again, I'm going to have to say that it depends on what the person says. Saying "you are bad at this game" barely qualifies as flaming, but then people have said things that are much worse that if they said to me in real life there would have been a physical altercation.

  1. Do you use the language filter / mute button ? How often ? Do you consider them helpful against flamers ?

Generally not. Only if someone is really spamming the chat. I have other things I need to see.

  1. How often do you report flamers ?

Every time, when I remember to. Maybe 1 in 5 games, but that could be horribly inaccurate.

  1. What does it take for someone to say, for you to report them for flaming ?

One mild comment is not enough, for example, "you are bad at this game". So there's a balance between frequency and severity. One single comment could easily be enough for a report.

  1. Do you pay attention to flames/insults that other players throw at you ? Do you take them seriously ? Do you respond to them ?

I generally analyze it quickly for accuracy/usefulness. I attempt to dismiss it completely, in order to keep my mind free if it is not useful. I respond to them sometimes if I feel like I can actually impact them with my words. My most common response is typically something like, "I play this game well enough to get matched with you". Or I say something like "everyone in this Elo is terrible, myself included".

  1. Do you think that doing the things mentioned at question 10 is better than just simply ignoring/not paying too much attention to them ?

Sure.

  1. Do you consider the way someone talks into the chat more important than what they actually do in game and how they play ?

In a manner, yes. Playing at your ability level is what I expect from people. They can't magically decide to be a better player. People can, however, choose to be good to other people.

mvargus3/31/2015, 1:43:35 AM1 votes

Fair questions. I'll answer.

  1. What do you understand through the word " flaming " ?

Basically any overly negative and personal comments directed at someone else is "flaming"

  1. What do you feel when someone flames you ?

Ignore them most of the time. I learned long ago that responding will only cause more trouble. As the truism goes "never argue with an idiot, he'll drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.

  1. Why do you think other players flame you for usually?

Most of the time that I've been "flamed" its been a game that was going badly and the person found some excuse to blame me for their death or a bad play of some kind.

  1. What do you consider bad about it ?

It's completely unnecessary and useless. Berating me isn't going to fix the problem and only makes the flamer look like a complete tool.

  1. Why do you think players flame in general ?

Mostly because they are angry at real life, don't understand how to lose with grace and don't fear any consequences of flaming since their target is just a number of words on a computer screen so the person isn't "real" to them. They don't fear getting punched in the mouth where I can pretty much guarantee that 90% of the flamers would never say the words they type to someone's face.

  1. Do you consider flaming to be just as bad as intentionally feeding/leaving/afk/not helping other teammates/trolling ? Elaborate on your answer.

They are two completely separate issues. One directly hurts the game experience for others by making the game unfair. The other will slowly turn other players toxic and tends to drag down everyone who is unfortunate enough to be exposed to it.

  1. Do you use the language filter / mute button ? How often ? Do you consider them helpful against flamers ?

Nope, I don't care enough about being flamed to feel a need. I am perfectly capable of ignoring someone without muting them.

  1. How often do you report flamers ?

Not too often, but I will when I feel that their negative attitude was excessive or hurt the gaming experience for everyone else. Using All chat is normally required for me to consider it necessary.

  1. What does it take for someone to say, for you to report them for flaming ?

Its not any specific series of words. I can't really say what makes me decide to report someone. in general its more if they keep going for most of the match.

  1. Do you pay attention to flames/insults that other players throw at you ? Do you take them seriously ? Do you respond to them ?

Not really, I don't know the flamer in real life and they have no idea how to find me. Why should I take them seriously? And as I said responding just makes the situation worse.

  1. Do you think that doing the things mentioned at question 10 is better than just simply ignoring/not paying too much attention to them ?

Never engage with someone who is flaming, it will only get you reported when you lose your patience with the idiot. If you did make a mistake say "I'm sorry, my bad." and then think about the game.

  1. Do you consider the way someone talks into the chat more important than what they actually do in game and how they play ?

Yes and no. The way they talk often ends up reflecting the way they play. many "flamers" are rather selfish players to begin with, so they hurt the game with their play even before they start flaming.

ZeeDrakon3/30/2015, 9:07:34 AM1 votes

So yeah i already mentioned in our previous discussion that your delusional and should go see a doctor but im still going to anser those:

  1. Repeadetly insulting someone based on his playstyle/mistakes he made in game/ misplays

  2. If its unreaonable i ignore it, if its true i tend to get frustrated, but more so because of the mistakes and not the flame

  3. Doesnt usually happen but if it does its most likely going to be not grouping for a teamfight since im more of a tactical player

  4. Its stupid and not useful. the only 2 outcomes are a) the flamer gets muted, has no positive impact and a slightly negative one since everyone recognizes you as flamer or b) the person gets mad, eventually afks/trolls because of the flame and even if he doesnt it decreases your winchances

  5. Either to cover their own mistakes because their brain dictates them that they cant be the reason a game or even just a TF or lane was lost, or because theyre mad themselves and have to let off steam

  6. Neither you nor me are in a position to clearly determine who is trolling/not helping teammates/intentionally feeding. Yes sometimes its obvious but most of the time it comes down to your subjective opinion. And yes i do think its just as bad since it not only has an equally negative effect on the game but also makes the game less fun to play

  7. I usually do because even if i try to ignore someone it kind of still gets to me when i read it. and yes its obviously helpful

  8. If they only flamed "lightly" and only in the situations the person actually made a mistake i usually dont report them since its just their own mind that tells them to, but if someone just gets mad and throws insults at people for no reason hes going to get reported for sure

  9. Read 8. basically unreasonable or really harsh flame

  10. I try not to but it sometiems happens and i very rarely respond

  11. no

  12. I dont care about wheter we lose the game due to someone beeing stupid because that happens in SoloQ and you cant avoid it anyway. what i do care about is not having people argue 95% of the game and pissing me off

Conclusion: I used to flame a lot and i still sometimes cant help but say something in chat, this is why 8) happens, but im not trying to legitimize it by saying that person made a mistake like you do

Jubbinaut3/30/2015, 6:03:56 AM1 votes

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  1. What do you understand through the word " flaming " ?

Flaming is aggressive language towards other players. To quote Wikipedia: "Flaming is a hostile and insulting interaction between Internet users, often involving the use of profanity." I think of particular note regarding that quote is the word "often," which strongly implies that profanity need not be a part of flaming - this note will be important later.

  1. What do you feel when someone flames you ?

Irritated. Frustrated. Annoyed. If they're being critical of something I genuinely recognize as an issue (an actual mistake of mine), those feelings are amplified by my critical view of myself.

  1. Why do you think other players flame you for usually?

I have been flamed for making mistakes, for ignoring advice (both poor advice and good), for typing, and for defending others.

  1. What do you consider bad about it ?

It's a form of bullying - negative behavior intended to give the flamer some amount of control over me (or whomever their target may be). As this is basically the definition of anti-social behavior, I find it troublesome. Additionally, it's highly divisive behavior, and as such disruptive to team cohesion - which tends to help make the game harder to win. In short: it takes a great deal of the fun out of the game.

  1. Why do you think players flame in general ?

I suspect that much of the flaming I've dealt with has its actual source in things that were never within my control - a bad day on the part of the flamer, frustration at their own mistakes elsewhere in the match, and the like.

  1. Do you consider flaming to be just as bad as intentionally feeding/leaving/afk/not helping other teammates/trolling ? Elaborate on your answer.

That's a fairly complex question, surprisingly enough. It could be, depending on how it affects the match. In general, though, I try to avoid trying to qualify various types of toxic behavior.

  1. Do you use the language filter / mute button ? How often ? Do you consider them helpful against flamers ?

I mute occasionally, depending on how affected I am by a particular flamer, and how useful I feel their future input may be to the game. I don't have the language filter on, because I don't much care about specific language. Additionally, as the quote I offered for question #1 implies, profanity and other language caught by the filter are not necessary to qualify a statement as "flaming." It's not a matter of what words are used, but rather how they are used.

  1. How often do you report flamers ?

As often as I see them. Which, fortunately, isn't very often.

  1. What does it take for someone to say, for you to report them for flaming ?

Badgering, belittling, or insulting another player.

  1. Do you pay attention to flames/insults that other players throw at you ? Do you take them seriously ? Do you respond to them ?

Of course I pay attention to them. If I wasn't paying attention to chat, there would be no point to chat. Whether or not I take it seriously is a more complex question. In general, it depends on how I'm feeling that day, and what they're flaming about. I have learned, slowly that the only responses worth making are very calm requests to stop. Often, however, I will make self-deprecating comments before being flamed, to preempt the aggression.

  1. Do you think that doing the things mentioned at question 10 is better than just simply ignoring/not paying too much attention to them ?

If I could be entirely unaffected by it, I would - and I often can. That's not always an option, however. And ignoring it entirely is out of the question - it flies directly in the face of my personal philosophy.

  1. Do you consider the way someone talks into the chat more important than what they actually do in game and how they play ?

I think that they're so closely linked there's no benefit to trying to qualify them. It would be like asking which shoelace is more important - the one on the left, or the one on the right? Chat affects game-play far too heavily to simply state that either is more important than the other.