I want to ask the players on the forum a couple of serious questions

WESTFALL·Mar 30, 2015·2 votes·1,066 views

Just for my personal knowledge .

I wanna find out the root of what makes people hate flaming so much and what makes them consider it so bad.

So this thread will be me just asking you people questions. No debating, no arguing. Just questions. Remember, I want honest responses

I will start with some and then eventually ask you more after you answer :

What do you understand through the word " flaming " ?
What do you feel when someone flames you ?
Why do you think other players flame you for usually?
What do you consider bad about it ?
Why do you think players flame in general ?
Do you consider flaming to be just as bad as intentionally feeding/leaving/afk/not helping other teammates/trolling ? Elaborate on your answer.
Do you use the language filter / mute button ? How often ? Do you consider them helpful against flamers ?
How often do you report flamers ?
What does it take for someone to say, for you to report them for flaming ?
Do you pay attention to flames/insults that other players throw at you ? Do you take them seriously ? Do you respond to them ?
Do you think that doing the things mentioned at question 10 is better than just simply ignoring/not paying too much attention to them ?
Do you consider the way someone talks into the chat more important than what they actually do in game and how they play ?

Thank you for your patience, and i'll wait for your answers.

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AJStarhikerMar 30, 20153 votes

[{quoted}](name=Phantom Panther,realm=EUNE,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=VPTGLBJA,comment-id=,timestamp=2015-03-30T01:22:07.654+0000)

What do you understand through the word " flaming " ?

Usually it's being particularly nasty to someone. I originally saw the term in relation to Fanfiction as reviews that complain about the story, often with personal attacks against the author.

What do you feel when someone flames you ?

Annoyed and irritated.

Why do you think other players flame you for usually?

Low skill. Although I've had a couple who have flamed when I start the game with "May the Force be with you" instead of a standard "glhf".

What do you consider bad about it ?

It's another form of bullying.

Why do you think players flame in general ?

Frustration and an inability to accept their own mistakes. They think they'll feel better if they make someone else feel worse than they do. Trying to bait someone else into doing something report-worthy

Do you consider flaming to be just as bad as intentionally feeding/leaving/afk/not helping other teammates/trolling ? Elaborate on your answer.

Yes. If someone has the chat window open to type, they aren't playing for however long it takes for them to type out the message. I also find I don't take the game as seriously, since I start to think they don't care if we win or lose, so why should I?

Do you use the language filter / mute button ? How often ? Do you consider them helpful against flamers ?

I generally keep the language filter on, since I just prefer not to see swearing. Mute button is generally reserved for the more extreme cases.

How often do you report flamers ?

Every time I mute (I use it as a reminder on who the flaming came from) and occassionally for when someone is flaming but not enough to mute.

What does it take for someone to say, for you to report them for flaming ?

Usually it's going after someone who is trying but getting outplayed or is simply not as skilled a player. Frequent insults. Taking an argument into All chat, especially if they are trying to drum up reports for someone else.

Do you pay attention to flames/insults that other players throw at you ? Do you take them seriously ? Do you respond to them ?

Not really. Not really. Sometimes I'll tell them to knock it off, especially if the flaming is directed at another player.. I never threaten to report them or ask other players to report.

Do you think that doing the things mentioned at question 10 is better than just simply ignoring/not paying too much attention to them ?

Again, it depends on the situation. Telling someone to stop might just draw their attention if they'd been harassing someone not me, but some actually get a clue that they are risking a report after the game and do stop. Or at least tone it down.

Do you consider the way someone talks into the chat more important than what they actually do in game and how they play ?

Yes. Play skills can improve. Flaming the chat gives other people less incentive to play at their best.

Thank you for your patience, and i'll wait for your answers.

You're welcome

WESTFALLMar 30, 20151 votes

Okay, another set of questions if you don't mind answering:

If you'd know that the player behind the keyboard is just a little kid, would you still pay attention to what he has to say ?
When you think of your teammates, and especially after they type something to you, do you by chance consider them to be around your age ?
If a player like Faker for example, would be in your game, and it's a ranked game, he plays perfectly in any point , but your team and also you, drag him a bit down and make it hard for him to win , would you understand his frustration if he flames you ? Would you still report him after the game even if you'd win ?
What is main goal of a League of Legends ranked game ? How do you achieve that goal ? Why do you think other players focus on anything else than achieving that goal (like flaming in the chat for example) ?
What makes you play a normal game instead of a ranked one and vice-versa ?
Would you like your in game mistakes to remain unnoticed by other players ( meaning them not to say anything about them ) ?
Do you accept tips from other players when they give them to you ? Especially after you do a mistake ? Do you tend to get offended by them in thinking that the player assumes he's better than you through them ?
Did you ever intentionally tried to lose a game after someone flamed you ? Did you ever intentionally refused to help a player who flamed you during the game ? If you did, why ? If you did not, what do you think about players who do this ?
If someone has let's say promo games to another league, and he's in your game, would you get mad if he's exigently telling you not to repeat your mistakes after you made them ? Would you get mad at him for flaming you if you feed badly ? Would you still think his behavior is unnatural and irrational ?

Photos of GhostsMar 30, 20152 votes

Any insulting word/expression/tone/ponctuation directed towards players other than oneself.
Depends on the original mood and the situation. Amusement, disappointment, sadness upon realisation of the realism of the insult/of the impossibility to retaliate, frustration for not being able to enjoy the view of the flamer's certain punisment.
Bad plays they surely did too a game or two before, since they're trash ELO too and everyone is unreliable at that level. Tunnel vision. Or simply good decisions or non-happened fact.
The intention (manipulating others through violence). The means (ugly language, just plain unesthetism). The result (heavier atmosphere in a freaking game).
Because they have to hide from their guilt. They put the blame on a random person that sits in a position of inferiority - the misplayer, and if there's none, they invent one.
Worse, since it is generally considered not as problematic, since it is more related to behaviours that can happen out of the game in the exact same way, and since it looks more human - a silent troll can be mentally classified as a bot and thus more easily ignored than a flamer.
I have disabled language filter, and I mute people whenever I'm not feeling like reading me some stupidity and having a good laugh. But I always suggest to the team to mute them, even when I don't personally, to prevent the general climate of the game from degenerating.
Moreless 2 games out of 3.
Anything like "noob", "this botlane" or similar things. I know my reports lose value as a result, but my sense of justice demands me to do it.
If it's game related and I'm indeed playing badly, I feel pretty frustrated. However I couldn't care less about all the "ur mum sux diks fgt" stuff. I do not respond since we can't copypaste on chat - my to-go answer would be ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) or ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ if I could. Also, I say "muted and reported :)" as a suggestion to others and to frustrate the guy who generally (as my premades tell me) proceeds to go on a furious rant while I giggle like an idiot cause I can't see it.
I don't think it would be right and acceptable of me to let someone try and be a bully in front of me - be its efficiency just "meh" or ridiculously null.
Yes, absolutely. This is a game, you can have fun losing. Having fun while getting insulted is way less easy - I sometimes manage to, a good example of one who dos is Disco Heat, but it's not for everybody, it can get irritating very easily. If getting insulted was the way of having fun we had picked, there would be a popular, aggressive version of Cleverbot around instead of this game.

WESTFALLMar 30, 20151 votes

Okay, another set of questions if you don't mind answering:

If you'd know that the player behind the keyboard is just a little kid, would you still pay attention to what he has to say ?
When you think of your teammates, and especially after they type something to you, do you by chance consider them to be around your age ?
If a player like Faker for example, would be in your game, and it's a ranked game, he plays perfectly in any point , but your team and also you, drag him a bit down and make it hard for him to win , would you understand his frustration if he flames you ? Would you still report him after the game even if you'd win ?
What is main goal of a League of Legends ranked game ? How do you achieve that goal ? Why do you think other players focus on anything else than achieving that goal (like flaming in the chat for example) ?
What makes you play a normal game instead of a ranked one and vice-versa ?
Would you like your in game mistakes to remain unnoticed by other players ( meaning them not to say anything about them ) ?
Do you accept tips from other players when they give them to you ? Especially after you do a mistake ? Do you tend to get offended by them in thinking that the player assumes he's better than you through them ?
Did you ever intentionally tried to lose a game after someone flamed you ? Did you ever intentionally refused to help a player who flamed you during the game ? If you did, why ? If you did not, what do you think about players who do this ?
If someone has let's say promo games to another league, and he's in your game, would you get mad if he's exigently telling you not to repeat your mistakes after you made them ? Would you get mad at him for flaming you if you feed badly ? Would you still think his behavior is unnatural and irrational ?

JubbinautMar 30, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=Phantom Panther,realm=EUNE,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=VPTGLBJA,comment-id=,timestamp=2015-03-30T01:22:07.654+0000)

What do you understand through the word " flaming " ?

Flaming is aggressive language towards other players. To quote Wikipedia: "Flaming is a hostile and insulting interaction between Internet users, often involving the use of profanity." I think of particular note regarding that quote is the word "often," which strongly implies that profanity need not be a part of flaming - this note will be important later.

What do you feel when someone flames you ?

Irritated. Frustrated. Annoyed. If they're being critical of something I genuinely recognize as an issue (an actual mistake of mine), those feelings are amplified by my critical view of myself.

Why do you think other players flame you for usually?

I have been flamed for making mistakes, for ignoring advice (both poor advice and good), for typing, and for defending others.

What do you consider bad about it ?

It's a form of bullying - negative behavior intended to give the flamer some amount of control over me (or whomever their target may be). As this is basically the definition of anti-social behavior, I find it troublesome. Additionally, it's highly divisive behavior, and as such disruptive to team cohesion - which tends to help make the game harder to win. In short: it takes a great deal of the fun out of the game.

Why do you think players flame in general ?

I suspect that much of the flaming I've dealt with has its actual source in things that were never within my control - a bad day on the part of the flamer, frustration at their own mistakes elsewhere in the match, and the like.

Do you consider flaming to be just as bad as intentionally feeding/leaving/afk/not helping other teammates/trolling ? Elaborate on your answer.

That's a fairly complex question, surprisingly enough. It could be, depending on how it affects the match. In general, though, I try to avoid trying to qualify various types of toxic behavior.

Do you use the language filter / mute button ? How often ? Do you consider them helpful against flamers ?

I mute occasionally, depending on how affected I am by a particular flamer, and how useful I feel their future input may be to the game. I don't have the language filter on, because I don't much care about specific language. Additionally, as the quote I offered for question #1 implies, profanity and other language caught by the filter are not necessary to qualify a statement as "flaming." It's not a matter of what words are used, but rather how they are used.

How often do you report flamers ?

As often as I see them. Which, fortunately, isn't very often.

What does it take for someone to say, for you to report them for flaming ?

Badgering, belittling, or insulting another player.

Do you pay attention to flames/insults that other players throw at you ? Do you take them seriously ? Do you respond to them ?

Of course I pay attention to them. If I wasn't paying attention to chat, there would be no point to chat. Whether or not I take it seriously is a more complex question. In general, it depends on how I'm feeling that day, and what they're flaming about. I have learned, slowly that the only responses worth making are very calm requests to stop. Often, however, I will make self-deprecating comments before being flamed, to preempt the aggression.

Do you think that doing the things mentioned at question 10 is better than just simply ignoring/not paying too much attention to them ?

If I could be entirely unaffected by it, I would - and I often can. That's not always an option, however. And ignoring it entirely is out of the question - it flies directly in the face of my personal philosophy.

Do you consider the way someone talks into the chat more important than what they actually do in game and how they play ?

I think that they're so closely linked there's no benefit to trying to qualify them. It would be like asking which shoelace is more important - the one on the left, or the one on the right? Chat affects game-play far too heavily to simply state that either is more important than the other.

WESTFALLMar 30, 20151 votes

Okay, another set of questions if you don't mind answering:

If you'd know that the player behind the keyboard is just a little kid, would you still pay attention to what he has to say ?
When you think of your teammates, and especially after they type something to you, do you by chance consider them to be around your age ?
If a player like Faker for example, would be in your game, and it's a ranked game, he plays perfectly in any point , but your team and also you, drag him a bit down and make it hard for him to win , would you understand his frustration if he flames you ? Would you still report him after the game even if you'd win ?
What is main goal of a League of Legends ranked game ? How do you achieve that goal ? Why do you think other players focus on anything else than achieving that goal (like flaming in the chat for example) ?
What makes you play a normal game instead of a ranked one and vice-versa ?
Would you like your in game mistakes to remain unnoticed by other players ( meaning them not to say anything about them ) ?
Do you accept tips from other players when they give them to you ? Especially after you do a mistake ? Do you tend to get offended by them in thinking that the player assumes he's better than you through them ?
Did you ever intentionally tried to lose a game after someone flamed you ? Did you ever intentionally refused to help a player who flamed you during the game ? If you did, why ? If you did not, what do you think about players who do this ?
If someone has let's say promo games to another league, and he's in your game, would you get mad if he's exigently telling you not to repeat your mistakes after you made them ? Would you get mad at him for flaming you if you feed badly ? Would you still think his behavior is unnatural and irrational ?

JubbinautMar 30, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=Phantom Panther,realm=EUNE,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=VPTGLBJA,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2015-03-30T12:32:09.199+0000)

Okay, another set of questions if you don't mind answering:

If you'd know that the player behind the keyboard is just a little kid, would you still pay attention to what he has to say ?

Yes, of course. Anyone old enough to have the coordination and language capacity to type a coherent sentence is old enough to be worth paying attention to. Children aren't stupid. They're often ignorant, but that's merely a lack of knowledge. And they're often insightful, specifically because they aren't burdened with that knowledge. So yes, I'd pay attention to what they have to say, offering it the same criterion of judgement I'd apply to anything else.

When you think of your teammates, and especially after they type something to you, do you by chance consider them to be around your age ?

I typically think of them as at or near the age of majority. Around here, that's 18.

If a player like Faker for example, would be in your game, and it's a ranked game, he plays perfectly in any point , but your team and also you, drag him a bit down and make it hard for him to win , would you understand his frustration if he flames you ? Would you still report him after the game even if you'd win ?

Would I understand his frustration? Absolutely. I've played plenty of games where my team has ensured my efforts were less than they could be. Would I understand his flaming? No. Because flaming is not an acceptable behavior - it's divisive and anti-social. Would I report him? Yes. Because flaming is not an acceptable behavior.

What is main goal of a League of Legends ranked game ? How do you achieve that goal ? Why do you think other players focus on anything else than achieving that goal (like flaming in the chat for example) ?

The primary goal (beyond fun - every game should be fun, or why play?) of any match of League of Legends is to improve - Ranked adds an additional goal of demonstrating that improvement. The first goal is achieved by learning and mastering new skills. The second goal is achieved by consistently applying the skills learned and mastered through the first goal. I strongly believe that many players make the mistake of believing that winning is the primary goal of the match - as opposed to a side-effect of successfully achieving the two goals I established.

What makes you play a normal game instead of a ranked one and vice-versa ?

I don't play Ranked, because I am - as yet - not confident enough in my skill. Among other things, I'm forgetful about warding, and have a very bad habit of tunnel-visioning. I'm also really bad at the map awareness needed to play jungle.

Would you like your in game mistakes to remain unnoticed by other players ( meaning them not to say anything about them ) ?

I don't mind people talking about my mistakes. Again, it's not what people say, but how they say them. Merely calling out a mistake is not constructive. Offering helpful and (at minimum) polite advice about what to build or how to adjust my play to avoid the mistake again is always welcome.

Do you accept tips from other players when they give them to you ? Especially after you do a mistake ? Do you tend to get offended by them in thinking that the player assumes he's better than you through them ?

I always consider the value of the tip itself, but whether I take offense to it or not depends on a lot of things: the tone of the comment, the overall tone of the game, what that player has said before, etc. I find, however, that most of the unsolicited advice I'm offered is pointless - either I'm told to build things I'm already trying to build, or to "play safe" when I've spent the game hugging my turret, or "ward more" when I've got more wards on the map than anyone else.

Did you ever intentionally tried to lose a game after someone flamed you ? Did you ever intentionally refused to help a player who flamed you during the game ? If you did, why ? If you did not, what do you think about players who do this ?

I have never intentionally tried to lose a game. That would defeat the purpose and the challenge of a game. I have refused to help players who flamed me or others, or at least I have chosen to not do all I could to help them. Mostly because it seems to me that it would be better to save my best efforts - blowing cooldowns, actives, or dying to save them - to help someone who would appreciate the sacrifice. Others may choose differently.

If someone has let's say promo games to another league, and he's in your game, would you get mad if he's exigently telling you not to repeat your mistakes after you made them ? Would you get mad at him for flaming you if you feed badly ?

If he's being non-constructive (read: flaming), then yes, I would get frustrated and annoyed at him. Yes, even if I had a very bad game. Because the circumstances of the game do not justify the behavior, nor do they make it acceptable.

Would you still think his behavior is unnatural and irrational ?

I'm addressing this question on its own, because I want to note some things about the question itself. The way you included this loaded question with its built-in assumptions is hugely misleading. Asking multiple questions per "question" is already complicated enough, but to ask one that bears such an obvious assumption (and belongs in a different set of questions altogether) is in bad faith. In legal terms, it's "leading the witness" - and it's kind of a huge thing, because it totally works to trap people into answering questions in certain ways.

That said: flaming is not necessarily an unnatural behavior. Nor is it necessarily natural. It is, however, irrational, depending on the goal of the player in question - if he's trying to win, flaming is counterproductive, and therefore irrational.

WESTFALLMar 30, 20151 votes

So you consider the main goal of a league of legends ranked game to be improvement.

Now it's a bit strange to ask you this question knowing the fact that you don't play ranked games.

But , why do you think Leagues and Divisions and League Points are there for ?

Do you consider them to be an equivalent of your improvements ?

And what about winning ? You clearly consider having fun more important than winning due to your accommodation to normal games in which it doesn't really count if you're winning or not. But in a ranked game, would you still consider having fun more important than winning the game and advancing in the ladder ?

I guess you do acknowledge that the main goal of a player who plays ranked games is to advance in the ladder and get to a higher div/league. You can contradict me if you do not agree. But if you do agree, do you consider it sportsmanlike to join a ranked game for the sole purpose of having fun, even if your own subjective idea of what "having fun" is affects your teammate's chances of winning ?

JubbinautMar 30, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=Phantom Panther,realm=EUNE,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=VPTGLBJA,comment-id=0002000000000000,timestamp=2015-03-30T17:50:56.893+0000)

So you consider the main goal of a league of legends ranked game to be improvement.

Now it's a bit strange to ask you this question knowing the fact that you don't play ranked games.

But , why do you think Leagues and Divisions and League Points are there for ?

I don't think it's strange at all. The Leagues and Divisions are the ways that Ranked demonstrates your improvement. I'm going to partially quote my above answer regarding this:

"[Demonstrating improvement] is achieved by consistently applying the skills learned and mastered through the first goal. I strongly believe that many players make the mistake of believing that winning is the primary goal of the match - as opposed to a side-effect of successfully achieving the two goals I established."

Do you consider them to be an equivalent of your improvements ?

I consider them to be a consequent of improvement, rather than equivalent. As a player improves in skill, they will naturally tend to win more (as they're continually matched against players who are at the approximate skill they used to be). As they win more, they will gain ranks, thereby demonstrating that they have improved in skill.

And what about winning ? You clearly consider having fun more important than winning due to your accommodation to normal games in which it doesn't really count if you're winning or not. But in a ranked game, would you still consider having fun more important than winning the game and advancing in the ladder ?

Winning, again, is a consequent. To further quote: "I strongly believe that many players make the mistake of believing that winning is the primary goal of the match - as opposed to a side-effect of successfully achieving the two goals I established."

To put that another way: winning happens because you improve. Advancing on the ladder happens because you win games. They're both dependent on improvement. But even that is dependent upon playing the game, and if you aren't enjoying the game, why are you playing it?

I guess you do acknowledge that the main goal of a player who plays ranked games is to advance in the ladder and get to a higher div/league. You can contradict me if you do not agree.

I'm glad you offered me permission to disagree with you. As it happens, I don't agree with you. I believe that the main goal of playing Ranked games is to show your skill, whatever it may be. In fact, that's the only thing Ranked allows you to do that Normals don't.

But if you do agree, do you consider it sportsmanlike to join a ranked game for the sole purpose of having fun, even if your own subjective idea of what "having fun" is affects your teammate's chances of winning ?

It is never sportsmanlike to do things at the expense of others, whether that's flaming, griefing, trolling, or otherwise.

ZeeDrakonMar 30, 20151 votes

So yeah i already mentioned in our previous discussion that your delusional and should go see a doctor but im still going to anser those:

Repeadetly insulting someone based on his playstyle/mistakes he made in game/ misplays
If its unreaonable i ignore it, if its true i tend to get frustrated, but more so because of the mistakes and not the flame
Doesnt usually happen but if it does its most likely going to be not grouping for a teamfight since im more of a tactical player
Its stupid and not useful. the only 2 outcomes are a) the flamer gets muted, has no positive impact and a slightly negative one since everyone recognizes you as flamer or b) the person gets mad, eventually afks/trolls because of the flame and even if he doesnt it decreases your winchances
Either to cover their own mistakes because their brain dictates them that they cant be the reason a game or even just a TF or lane was lost, or because theyre mad themselves and have to let off steam
Neither you nor me are in a position to clearly determine who is trolling/not helping teammates/intentionally feeding. Yes sometimes its obvious but most of the time it comes down to your subjective opinion. And yes i do think its just as bad since it not only has an equally negative effect on the game but also makes the game less fun to play
I usually do because even if i try to ignore someone it kind of still gets to me when i read it. and yes its obviously helpful
If they only flamed "lightly" and only in the situations the person actually made a mistake i usually dont report them since its just their own mind that tells them to, but if someone just gets mad and throws insults at people for no reason hes going to get reported for sure
Read 8. basically unreasonable or really harsh flame
I try not to but it sometiems happens and i very rarely respond
no
I dont care about wheter we lose the game due to someone beeing stupid because that happens in SoloQ and you cant avoid it anyway. what i do care about is not having people argue 95% of the game and pissing me off

Conclusion: I used to flame a lot and i still sometimes cant help but say something in chat, this is why 8) happens, but im not trying to legitimize it by saying that person made a mistake like you do

WESTFALLMar 30, 20151 votes

Okay, another set of questions if you don't mind answering:

If you'd know that the player behind the keyboard is just a little kid, would you still pay attention to what he has to say ?
When you think of your teammates, and especially after they type something to you, do you by chance consider them to be around your age ?
If a player like Faker for example, would be in your game, and it's a ranked game, he plays perfectly in any point , but your team and also you, drag him a bit down and make it hard for him to win , would you understand his frustration if he flames you ? Would you still report him after the game even if you'd win ?
What is main goal of a League of Legends ranked game ? How do you achieve that goal ? Why do you think other players focus on anything else than achieving that goal (like flaming in the chat for example) ?
What makes you play a normal game instead of a ranked one and vice-versa ?
Would you like your in game mistakes to remain unnoticed by other players ( meaning them not to say anything about them ) ?
Do you accept tips from other players when they give them to you ? Especially after you do a mistake ? Do you tend to get offended by them in thinking that the player assumes he's better than you through them ?
Did you ever intentionally tried to lose a game after someone flamed you ? Did you ever intentionally refused to help a player who flamed you during the game ? If you did, why ? If you did not, what do you think about players who do this ?
If someone has let's say promo games to another league, and he's in your game, would you get mad if he's exigently telling you not to repeat your mistakes after you made them ? Would you get mad at him for flaming you if you feed badly ? Would you still think his behavior is unnatural and irrational ?

ZeeDrakonMar 31, 20151 votes

as i said i dont really pay attention anyway, but who it is wouldnt matter
I dont really understand the question tbh since age doesnt matter...
It doesnt matter if its frustrating or not, as a better player he has to understand that worse players obviously make mistakes, so, yes
winning, playing well, stupidity/madness
normals when im tired or friends ask me to play 5s premade with them, or when i try out a completely new champ, almost always ranked though, mainly to improve more
It would make them not waste time to write about it, but i wouldnt care if they knew i made them as long as they dont feel the need to complain about them
I consider if what they said can be right, i dont just accept it but think about it. I get offended if its in a normal game where someone has a huge elo discrepancy to me and tries to teach me the game (for example i had a G5 vayne trying to teach me my main role, it actually bothered me), giving tips doesnt automatically mean that the person is a better player, he might just have noticed something i didnt
No, in normals yes, in ranked not, i was mad, (even though i already did it) its stupid since it decreases your win chances so...
i wouldnt get mad but i'd ignore him/tell him to shut up, i wouldnt get mad but report him i guess, its not unnatural since its a psychological effect, but its nontheless stupid

EDIT: concerning 6) lets say if i wouldnt recognize the mistake myself i'd like it beeing pointed out, but since i watch replays of the games i lose in the cases im not entirely sure what happened that doesnt happen much

AJStarhikerMar 30, 20151 votes

Ok, I get you're probably posting in Discussion view, but you didn't need to post the second question list for each person. For those of us who use Chronological, it looks like a quadrapost.

WESTFALLMar 30, 20151 votes

Oh, my bad. But i thought people won't receive notifications if I don't reply to them

ElysMustacheMar 30, 20151 votes

What do you understand through the word " flaming " ?

In this game, anything hostile. Careful criticism is acceptable if it has the goal of helping.

What do you feel when someone flames you ?

A mixture of things. It depends on what they say. Amusement, sadness, anger, fury, pity, irritation, distracted.

Why do you think other players flame you for usually?

So many things. Ban choice, champion choice, misplays, bad decision, split-pushing (aka not grouping), over-extending. Generally anything that they feel they would have done differently.

What do you consider bad about it ?

It is contrary to teamwork. There is nothing good or useful about it; there are only negatives.

Why do you think players flame in general ?

I think it is because they have infantile minds and souls full of hate, for themselves and for others.

Do you consider flaming to be just as bad as intentionally feeding/leaving/afk/not helping other teammates/trolling ? Elaborate on your answer.

Well, unlike those things it doesn't invalidate the game. If someone is AFK or intentionally feeding, then we are not even playing a game that is legitimate. Flaming does make the game much less enjoyable, and hampers the team's mental ability to play well. Is it worse? I don't think I have ever tried to quantify that before, since classifying it as "bad" was sufficient for me. Again, I'm going to have to say that it depends on what the person says. Saying "you are bad at this game" barely qualifies as flaming, but then people have said things that are much worse that if they said to me in real life there would have been a physical altercation.

Do you use the language filter / mute button ? How often ? Do you consider them helpful against flamers ?

Generally not. Only if someone is really spamming the chat. I have other things I need to see.

How often do you report flamers ?

Every time, when I remember to. Maybe 1 in 5 games, but that could be horribly inaccurate.

What does it take for someone to say, for you to report them for flaming ?

One mild comment is not enough, for example, "you are bad at this game". So there's a balance between frequency and severity. One single comment could easily be enough for a report.

Do you pay attention to flames/insults that other players throw at you ? Do you take them seriously ? Do you respond to them ?

I generally analyze it quickly for accuracy/usefulness. I attempt to dismiss it completely, in order to keep my mind free if it is not useful. I respond to them sometimes if I feel like I can actually impact them with my words. My most common response is typically something like, "I play this game well enough to get matched with you". Or I say something like "everyone in this Elo is terrible, myself included".

Do you think that doing the things mentioned at question 10 is better than just simply ignoring/not paying too much attention to them ?

Sure.

Do you consider the way someone talks into the chat more important than what they actually do in game and how they play ?

In a manner, yes. Playing at your ability level is what I expect from people. They can't magically decide to be a better player. People can, however, choose to be good to other people.

mvargusMar 31, 20151 votes

Fair questions. I'll answer.

What do you understand through the word " flaming " ?

Basically any overly negative and personal comments directed at someone else is "flaming"

What do you feel when someone flames you ?

Ignore them most of the time. I learned long ago that responding will only cause more trouble. As the truism goes "never argue with an idiot, he'll drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.

Why do you think other players flame you for usually?

Most of the time that I've been "flamed" its been a game that was going badly and the person found some excuse to blame me for their death or a bad play of some kind.

What do you consider bad about it ?

It's completely unnecessary and useless. Berating me isn't going to fix the problem and only makes the flamer look like a complete tool.

Why do you think players flame in general ?

Mostly because they are angry at real life, don't understand how to lose with grace and don't fear any consequences of flaming since their target is just a number of words on a computer screen so the person isn't "real" to them. They don't fear getting punched in the mouth where I can pretty much guarantee that 90% of the flamers would never say the words they type to someone's face.

Do you consider flaming to be just as bad as intentionally feeding/leaving/afk/not helping other teammates/trolling ? Elaborate on your answer.

They are two completely separate issues. One directly hurts the game experience for others by making the game unfair. The other will slowly turn other players toxic and tends to drag down everyone who is unfortunate enough to be exposed to it.

Do you use the language filter / mute button ? How often ? Do you consider them helpful against flamers ?

Nope, I don't care enough about being flamed to feel a need. I am perfectly capable of ignoring someone without muting them.

How often do you report flamers ?

Not too often, but I will when I feel that their negative attitude was excessive or hurt the gaming experience for everyone else. Using All chat is normally required for me to consider it necessary.

What does it take for someone to say, for you to report them for flaming ?

Its not any specific series of words. I can't really say what makes me decide to report someone. in general its more if they keep going for most of the match.

Do you pay attention to flames/insults that other players throw at you ? Do you take them seriously ? Do you respond to them ?

Not really, I don't know the flamer in real life and they have no idea how to find me. Why should I take them seriously? And as I said responding just makes the situation worse.

Do you think that doing the things mentioned at question 10 is better than just simply ignoring/not paying too much attention to them ?

Never engage with someone who is flaming, it will only get you reported when you lose your patience with the idiot. If you did make a mistake say "I'm sorry, my bad." and then think about the game.

Do you consider the way someone talks into the chat more important than what they actually do in game and how they play ?

Yes and no. The way they talk often ends up reflecting the way they play. many "flamers" are rather selfish players to begin with, so they hurt the game with their play even before they start flaming.

mvargusMar 31, 20151 votes

I noted you asked some follow on questions. I figure you didn't add them to my reply, but I can add my replies to them.

1.If you'd know that the player behind the keyboard is just a little kid, would you still pay attention to what he has to say ?

I don't pay much attention to flamers as it is. I might laugh about them later, but the truth is that as they are not my friends, nor will they ever become a friend, I treat what they say with disdain. The age of the flamer doesn't matter.

2.When you think of your teammates, and especially after they type something to you, do you by chance consider them to be around your age ?

I'm older than probably 99% of the people playing league. I don't expect many to be my age, nor do I worry about it. I've met 60 year olds who have the morals of 2 year olds and 14 year olds with the wisdom of an 80 year old man. I worry more about their emotional maturity.

3.If a player like Faker for example, would be in your game, and it's a ranked game, he plays perfectly in any point , but your team and also you, drag him a bit down and make it hard for him to win , would you understand his frustration if he flames you ? Would you still report him after the game even if you'd win ?

I don't play ranked, as I know I'm not ready. If I was insane enough to try and to end up at Faker's level I'd expect him to be frustrated, but also to be professional about it. IF he flamed me I'd probably just consider it the act of a frustrated 2 year old and ignore him unless he got excessive with the personal attacks.

4.What is main goal of a League of Legends ranked game ? How do you achieve that goal ? Why do you think other players focus on anything else than achieving that goal (like flaming in the chat for example) ?

The goal of any game on Summoners rift is to destroy the enemy nexus or to convince the other team that they can't defend it and should surrender. This is achieved by the teamwork and skill of the 5 players on your side if you succeed.

As for why some people focus on other things. Children are no longer taught how to compete in a contest or how to overcome real obstacles. Many have been rewarded after throwing tantrums in the past, so there is a deep seated belief that throwing a tantrum in game will magically give them a win without having to work for it. I see players who do this as childish and selfish, but it happens.

5.What makes you play a normal game instead of a ranked one and vice-versa ?

I only play normals because I don't believe I'm quite ready for ranked matches. When I do play ranked it will be just to add a new challenge to the game and some intensity. I've run into too many people who are willing to goof off in normals and it can be frustrating to find someone experimenting with some completely outlandish build.

6.Would you like your in game mistakes to remain unnoticed by other players ( meaning them not to say anything about them ) ?

Everyone makes mistakes, and I know I make my share. I'm always willing to type "my bad" if I make a big one in game. If someone wants to point out that I made a mistake I don't mind. If someone wants to berate me for a mistake, I ignore them. I know I made a mistake and will take blame, but don't turn my mistake into a 5 minute flamewar. That's just boring and stupid.

7.Do you accept tips from other players when they give them to you ? Especially after you do a mistake ? Do you tend to get offended by them in thinking that the player assumes he's better than you through them ?

Right now probably 90% of the people playing are better than me. Be polite, be brief and be clear and I'll listen to you. I get a lot of advice from others because I often ask for it. I know I have a lot to learn.

8.Did you ever intentionally tried to lose a game after someone flamed you ? Did you ever intentionally refused to help a player who flamed you during the game ? If you did, why ? If you did not, what do you think about players

who do this ?Nope, not gonna do it. At worst I might play with less intensity and a stronger need to avoid dying which means that I will often be late entering team fights or even fail to show up as I'll be split pushing to avoid being near the person who flamed me. But if I am near and able to help I do.

As for people who do, hate to say this to you, but more power to them. Anyone who flames is going to be involved in a lot of losses as his teammates give up. I don't because I can't play to lose, but I don't blame anyone for doing it. Games are meant to be fun, if they aren't fun because you are being flamed, I can understand you turning on the one flaming you.

9.If someone has let's say promo games to another league, and he's in your game, would you get mad if he's exigently telling you not to repeat your mistakes after you made them ? Would you get mad at him for flaming you if you feed badly ? Would you still think his behavior is unnatural and irrational ?

Unnatural - no Irrational - yes

Watch any pro sport playoff and you won't see someone berating another player for a bad play. It just doesn't happen. The people who go bonkers because their promos are ruined are hurting themselves. This is especially true if someone "feeds". I've seen one intentional feeder in my games, and he was obvious from the opening moments. Most "feeders" are players who end up in a situation they aren't comfortable with or ready for and they need help, not abuse.

I never think flaming is right, or justifyable. It's a petty act from a selfish person. If you can avoid flaming, you'll find your game and the games of the people playing with you go much better.