Riot, you need to spend some serious effort/money cleaning up the community.

InsaneSamurai·Aug 1, 2015·8 votes·2,349 views

It's bad. Really bad. I know they like to say it is improving and that they are doing stuff, but it's not enough, and since I started playing years ago it's only gotten worse. People don't fear any repercussions on here. They do and say whatever they feel like, and laugh off the idea of getting reported. They have been trained by a community that basically has been allowed to be this way by Riot. If you start 2 week banning every single troll, I guarantee you this place would start to improve, but you won't even do that. Why?

What you have been doing for the last 3 years hasn't even been enough to counteract how much toxicity spreads itself naturally when it's unpunished. If you don't change something seriously impactful about how you police things, it's not going to start improving. It's gotten so common that you can't even really play ranked and expect to get a real game. If people lose nearly every game with a troll on the team, and win nearly every game without one, all the rank seems to indicate is teammate luck. Is that what you really want?

46 Comments

griff42Aug 1, 20152 votes

No they don't want that but what can they do. If they do a two week ban whats going to stop the troll from creating another account. What you are asking them to do is not on them but on us. We dictate if the game is entirely based on teammate luck or not.

InsaneSamuraiAug 1, 20152 votes

The average player isn't going to be nice unless they have to. That's just how things are and expecting otherwise is not going to fix any of this. I've been around for 3 years of them trying to let the community fix itself, and it's only gotten worse. I think that's a big sign that they need to try something different.

Saying it isn't on Riot, it's on the community is exactly what they want. If they act like it's out of their control and up to us to fix it, they don't have to spend any money changing things. They are the people with the power, they can decide to start punishing people more often and more significantly if they want to. That part is not in our control in the least.

JubbinautAug 2, 20151 votes

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The average player isn't going to be nice unless they have to.

According to Riot's numbers, 78% of the community is regularly and consistently positive. Another 14% of the community is consistently neutral - their chat is either nonexistent or limited to game-function comments such as calling timers and mias.

Only about 8% of the community qualifies as negative (7% as "bad", and 1% as "toxic" - consistently high levels of toxicity).

So I'd disagree with your premise here. It rather seems that the average player is more likely to be nice, unless something sets them off.

Saying it isn't on Riot, it's on the community is exactly what they want. If they act like it's out of their control and up to us to fix it, they don't have to spend any money changing things.

Historically, Riot has spent more money on Player Behavior initiatives than anyone else. They're industry leaders in that sector, developing new approaches to adjusting player behavior.

83sqojSQ6jAug 2, 20152 votes

Please. Stop. My brain hurts from these statistics that have no factual basis.

JubbinautAug 2, 20152 votes

Funny thing, those numbers came from a talk given at MIT by Lyte and StatusKwoh. I'm willing to admit that there may have been some shift (it's 3 years old), but I doubt it's a particularly massive shift.

If you're pressed for time, here's the skip to the ~5:00 minute mark, where they actually discuss the data they used to sort their players.

EDIT: I just realized I forgot to actually put in the second link. Probably because I should be asleep right now. Fixed that.

InsaneSamuraiAug 2, 20151 votes

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According to Riot's numbers, 78% of the community is regularly and consistently positive. Another 14% of the community is consistently neutral - their chat is either nonexistent or limited to game-function comments such as calling timers and mias.

Only about 8% of the community qualifies as negative (7% as "bad", and 1% as "toxic" - consistently high levels of toxicity).

So I'd disagree with your premise here. It rather seems that the average player is more likely to be nice, unless something sets them off.

Historically, Riot has spent more money on Player Behavior initiatives than anyone else. They're industry leaders in that sector, developing new approaches to adjusting player behavior.

I dunno where you come up with this Industry leader stuff, but I bet it comes from Spin Doctor Lyte, PhD in excuses. They haven't developed a new approach to player behavior once in this games entire lifespan. Think about it, they're the biggest game, which means they have the biggest army of copy/paste drones working at support. Hey lets call that the biggest player behavior budget, aren't we great? I'm sure the initial article was written to make it seem very glorious and caring when the only large scale thing they did was start policing it themselves with computers instead of trying to use the horrible community to fix the horrible community.

Your Lyte percents are neat, but I hope you realize they are skewed for the exact purpose of making this game seem less filled with trolls and griefers than it already is. Those percents don't represent actual problem players, just what fraction of them actually get punished for anything. That's why it's such an unrealistically low percent. Try playing ranked and tell me there are only 8% problem players. The whole thing is a joke, you win the vast majority of games without trolls on your team and you lose the vast majority of games with them. So my rank doesn't represent my skill so much as my luck on whether the trolls end up on my team or the other one.

There is a reason this has been widely known as the worst community in gaming for quite some time.

JubbinautAug 2, 20151 votes

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I dunno where you come up with this Industry leader stuff, but I bet it comes from Spin Doctor Lyte, PhD in excuses. They haven't developed a new approach to player behavior once in this games entire lifespan.

A lot of places, not the least of which is looking at how many studios are modeling their Player Behavior systems after Riot's work.

If you're going to dismiss claims based on the only available source of actual data, however, there's not much point in continuing to discuss it. I'll explain the rest of my commentary from earlier below, I suppose, in the interest of clarity and full disclosure, but I suppose that's it.

I'm sure the initial article was written to make it seem very glorious and caring when the only large scale thing they did was start policing it themselves with computers instead of trying to use the horrible community to fix the horrible community.

Wasn't an article. It was a talk given at MIT. You can look it up yourself, if you like - it was titled Play Nice: The Science and Behavior of Online games - but I'll have a link to the YouTube video below.

Your Lyte percents are neat, but I hope you realize they are skewed for the exact purpose of making this game seem less filled with trolls and griefers than it already is. Those percents don't represent actual problem players, just what fraction of them actually get punished for anything. That's why it's such an unrealistically low percent.

I apologize for the incompleteness of my data. I was trying not to data-dump, because I have a bad habit of going overboard with that. The full discussion in that part of the talk was about this very concept, actually. To give more clarity, allow me to give you the full data they offered:

Behavioral Profile Representation (by type of Player) - aka, how many players fall into which category: Toxic - 1% Bad - 7% Neutral - 14% Good - 78%

Toxicity Representation (by type of Player) - aka, how much toxicity comes from which category of players: Toxic - 5% Bad - 8% Neutral - 10% Good - 77%

This link should skip you to about the 5-minute mark, where Lyte discusses these numbers.

To be clear about what those numbers mean, Lyte is outright admitting that the vast majority of the toxicity we see in the game comes from players who qualify as "positive." The point, however, is that those players are not consistently toxic. It's not a regular thing for them. Rather, it's more commonly the result of a bad day, or retaliatory behavior, or whatever. However, there's rather a lot of them, so in conglomerate, they can create a lot of bad experiences.

Try playing ranked and tell me there are only 8% problem players.

Keep in mind that if 8% of players are problematic, then - statistically speaking - you'll see one a little less than every other game. If we're looking only at players on your team, you'll average one every 3-4 games.

83sqojSQ6jAug 2, 20151 votes

Funny Riot wouldn't ever let a 3rd party run these numbers. You are just a Lyte Drone. Please stop mister social justice warrior, shh shh go to sleep now Riot is here to take care of you.

These stats come from the same guy that said you should get banned for saying "GG Ez". Let that sink in.

JubbinautAug 3, 20151 votes

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Funny Riot wouldn't ever let a 3rd party run these numbers.

They have, though. A lot of their data is used by other organizations - schools, generally - as source material for papers. And the talk that I linked was given at MIT - it's pretty reasonable to assume that more raw data was available for it than was shown on the slides themselves.

Please stop mister social justice warrior

I fail to see how this is in any way an insult.

These stats come from the same guy that said you should get banned for saying "GG Ez". Let that sink in.

Do you have a citation for that? Because I have one that directly contradicts it. From Reddit:

I've never seen a player banned for just saying "BG" or "GGEZ." We're not saying that's even possible, just that those phrases are considered more negative than positive. GGEZ is clearly negative almost all the time, but the system agrees "BG" varies in context but can be misunderstood.

Emphasis mine, of course.

EribasAug 2, 20152 votes

Up voted they need to make it so people have repercussions. The biggest thing should be to start handing IP bands out so that people can't just hop to a smurf an keep on being a jerk. if nothing else start having a ban hammer fall on people being verbally abusive. The tribunal as it stands clearly is NOT enough.

JubbinautAug 2, 20151 votes

There are two major problems with IP bans: internal networks and IP proxies. Combined, they mean that an IP ban could actually ban everyone in a place (such as a college dorm or an internet cafe) except the person you're actually trying to ban.

In short, they're ineffective and risk significant collateral damage. Which makes them a less-than-desirable option.

InsaneSamuraiAug 2, 20151 votes

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Up voted they need to make it so people have repercussions. The biggest thing should be to start handing IP bands out so that people can't just hop to a smurf an keep on being a jerk. if nothing else start having a ban hammer fall on people being verbally abusive. The tribunal as it stands clearly is NOT enough.

They can't IP ban properly it seems, but they could instantly ban low level accounts for any sign of toxicity whatsoever.

nerak23Aug 2, 20152 votes

I believe any stat can be construed to play up the side you want it to ... I have seen some logs that Riot has said were good to neutral and I have disagreed with that conclusion. I am no prude and seldom get annoyed during the game over what someone might say to me.

I do get upset when someone says rude things to players that are trying and not having a good game, ranging from a rude comment that I am sure the person meant to help to comment being so over the top that Yes in some cases '1 and done'.

It depends on the comment some things should be punished and if they were and everyone knew and understood these comments would mean a ban then most smurf accounts would not dare to do such things...

Riot should draw a proverbial line in the sand and stick to it. The day Riot stands up and takes a strong stance on cyber bulling is the day the game get better makes more money and gain popularity in other circles. There is so much $ that is out there that they don't have to cater to spoiled children to make there mark....Having said This: I Believe strongly that Riot is trying very hard to hit a compromise and make this a better community.

InsaneSamuraiAug 2, 20152 votes

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I believe any stat can be construed to play up the side you want it to ... I have seen some logs that Riot has said were good to neutral and I have disagreed with that conclusion. I am no prude and seldom get annoyed during the game over what someone might say to me.

I do get upset when someone says rude things to players that are trying and not having a good game, ranging from a rude comment that I am sure the person meant to help to comment being so over the top that Yes in some cases '1 and done'.

It depends on the comment some things should be punished and if they were and everyone knew and understood these comments would mean a ban then most smurf accounts would not dare to do such things...

Riot should draw a proverbial line in the sand and stick to it. The day Riot stands up and takes a strong stance on cyber bulling is the day the game get better makes more money and gain popularity in other circles. There is so much $ that is out there that they don't have to cater to spoiled children to make there mark....Having said This: I Believe strongly that Riot is trying very hard to hit a compromise and make this a better community.

I agree with all of this except that they are actually trying very hard. This is a billion dollar company, they can do more than slightly improve one facet of the system once every 4 or 5 months.

ZACKandATTACKAug 1, 20151 votes

Riot bans people and gives players the opportunity to report other players. This isn't on Riot, but the community itself.

83sqojSQ6jAug 2, 20151 votes

When they start doi

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If you start 2 week banning every single troll, I guarantee you this place would start to improve, but you won't even do that. Why?

And this is when people actually stop playing this game and move on to another one. Riot doesn't do it because they know that once they do, the majority would just stop playing, meaning bye bye skins money.

InsaneSamuraiAug 2, 20151 votes

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When they start doi If you start 2 week banning every single troll, I guarantee you this place would start to improve, but you won't even do that. Why?

And this is when people actually stop playing this game and move on to another one. Riot doesn't do it because they know that once they do, the majority would just stop playing, meaning bye bye skins money.

That's when ragers and trolls start playing other games. Which would be fine. I doubt they represent a significant percent of the income, and whatever they do make will be mitigated by the reasonable people being happier at having a place where they can actually play the game the way it was meant to be played.

83sqojSQ6jAug 3, 20151 votes

How was the game meant to be played? And the majority is definitely not the always peaceful stay humble judo masters Riot Lyte wants us to be. Dont see why trash talking is frowned upon in a competitive game. The very nature of pvp evokes it. It just sucks that many of the people who play this have been brainwashed into thinking you should say sorry, feel bad for winning, and send kisses and hugs every time you kill your opponent in lane.

Its self deprecating if you ask me but hey what do i know. Im just a normal person. I don't meditate in shaolin temples and ponder ways to make peace with the enemy like many of the people that infest this game.

JubbinautAug 3, 20151 votes

I appreciate this post. I've been trying desperately to figure out what's going on with you, and now you've shown me. So thanks.

83sqojSQ6jAug 3, 20151 votes

What going on with me? I don't even know you random person on the internet...

JubbinautAug 3, 20151 votes

A poor choice of words. My apologies.

There's been something bugging me about your arguments, but I couldn't place it. That post pegged it for me.

83sqojSQ6jAug 3, 20151 votes

Still failing to see what you're trying to indicate....

JubbinautAug 3, 20151 votes

I wasn't indicating anything. I was expressing appreciation for clarifying something that was confusing to me. Nothing more, nothing less.

83sqojSQ6jAug 3, 20151 votes

Ok.... im still failing to see what it is that your appreciating and what it was that i clarified.

JubbinautAug 3, 20151 votes

All of your posts that I have seen bothered me for some reason. Not so much in the content, as in the structure. And in that post, you demonstrated the structure that was so confusing in such a clear and obvious way that I better understood the problem - specifically, that your arguments consist almost entirely of straw-man fallacies.

So what I appreciate is that you removed that confusion for me.

83sqojSQ6jAug 3, 20151 votes

Honestly i just write whatever comes to mind to take a break from actually playing the game. You're right though i do structure my argument in such a manner.

Person A has position X. Person B presents position Y (which is a distorted version of X). Person B attacks position Y. Therefore X is false/incorrect/flawed.

Never even realized how much I did that. Thank you.

No really i mean it. English is my second language but was one of my favorite subjects to learn in school. So was Philosophy. I just had an epiphany as to why I have such a hard time persuading others in debate. I side-track and ramble too much, and assume the person's standpoint is the same as my own. Guess i should be less quick to lash my tongue and read better.

You have humbled me.

JubbinautAug 3, 20151 votes

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Honestly i just write whatever comes to mind to take a break from actually playing the game. You're right though i do structure my argument in such a manner.

Person A has position X. Person B presents position Y (which is a distorted version of X). Person B attacks position Y. Therefore X is false/incorrect/flawed.

Never even realized how much I did that. Thank you.

No really i mean it. English is my second language but was one of my favorite subjects to learn in school. So was Philosophy. I just had an epiphany as to why I have such a hard time persuading others in debate. I side-track and ramble too much, and assume the person's standpoint is the same as my own. Guess i should be less quick to lash my tongue and read better.

You have humbled me.

You're welcome. I'm glad to help. I have to be honest, that's not the response I expected. It's refreshing to see. Thank you for that.

Also, that's a fantastic generalized structure for the fallacy. Would you mind if I borrowed it for future discussions?

83sqojSQ6jAug 3, 20151 votes

Go ahead i found it on google anyways when i searched up straw-man fallacy. Funny i didn't remember immediately what it was considering I use be heavy into that stuff when I was deciding whether i was truly an atheist (coming from a christian-heavy family). Many religious debaters use that same logic, but more cringe-worthy i'd say.

The fact that your surprised at my response is what irks me about this community too. At the end of the day I'm still a normal person just like any troll/rager you might come across.

Difference being that I'm not a total ass i know when i'm at fault and i am willing to admit it (unlike many people, which, imo, is still normal considering we are humans after all). But it just seems this community like to generalize so much that it doesn't matter what you say but how you say it, and will quickly label you under a certain category.

Like when I play sometimes it feels like this game isn't about the game anymore but what category of report you can fit someone under. It just feels like everyone wants to swing the ban hammer in my games, so i come on the board to be the anti-hero and vent my frustrations i suppose.

I feel like I'm the urgot of the boards. No one likes me. But i'm still here. And i like to remind you I'm still here even if it is ugly. At least that's what I aim for.

Definitely though i need to structure my thoughts and read opposing views better. I may be a victim of generalizing people too much as well. Just in a different manner it seems.

TL;Dr Feel free to use straw man definition. I'm not total ass sorry if it was coming off that way. I'm just a human being like anyone else that plays this game. People try too hard to pretend to be nice so they can try to get others banned.

JubbinautAug 3, 20151 votes

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The fact that your surprised at my response is what irks me about this community too. At the end of the day I'm still a normal person just like any troll/rager you might come across.

I'm sorry. I think the message I gave with that comment was not the one I had in my head when I typed it. That's my mistake.

In my experience, people who tend to make fallacious arguments really hate it when you point out those fallacies. So I've taught myself to expect disagreements - not necessarily rude ones, mind, but disagreements nonetheless - when doing so.

I found your self-awareness and humility both refreshing and quite impressive. To my mind, it marks you a step above average.

Again, I'm sorry that didn't come across the way I'd intended.

InsaneSamuraiAug 3, 20152 votes

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How was the game meant to be played? And the majority is definitely not the always peaceful stay humble judo masters Riot Lyte wants us to be. Dont see why trash talking is frowned upon in a competitive game. The very nature of pvp evokes it. It just sucks that many of the people who play this have been brainwashed into thinking you should say sorry, feel bad for winning, and send kisses and hugs every time you kill your opponent in lane.

Its self deprecating if you ask me but hey what do i know. Im just a normal person. I don't meditate in shaolin temples and ponder ways to make peace with the enemy like many of the people that infest this game.

The game was meant to be played as a team who works together and reacts to threats together. It wasn't meant to be played as a 4v1v5, or a free for all team deathmatch game. This game was meant to be played with people who are capable of listening to each other and modifying their strategies accordingly, not to realize there's a problem and do everything you can to ignore it or insult the player closest to the problem. Common behavior on here is contradictory to the idea of a team game.

83sqojSQ6jAug 3, 20151 votes

Solo queue is 4v1v5.... Your grouped with random people with completely different mindsets and completely different understandings of how to win or "have fun". And sometimes your teamates will be the reason you lose or are not having fun.

In this game, usually, the one or two guys that get ahead are the ones that call the shots (speaking from an anecdotal standpoint) and, usually, single-handedly influence to map well enough to get the rest of their team victory.

Team synergy is not something that can be forged from thin air, it has to be represented in your gameplay that you are capable of synergizing with others not through being a nice person or whatever Riot will have you believe, but through being good enough to understand your role and how you fit in the team comp, and just being mechanically decent enough to press your buttons correctly at the right time,place,etc.

Ragers aren't the plague that this community makes them out to be. I mean i always thought rage problem could be fixed with the mute button. But hey what do i know about common sense.

I still fail to see why we should be docile sheep and pretend to be characters in my little ponies while we hug care bears as we play this game. Why should i automatically like you because you're on my team? I don' t even know you! Respect should be earned, not given.

InsaneSamuraiAug 2, 20151 votes

I didn't think it makes that big of a difference whether it was an article or a talk. When the point is to skew numbers and play politician to make your company seem like they're doing something they aren't, I don't think the format is the issue.

It doesn't really matter what the reason someone has for trolling or griefing, what matters is Riot constantly just lets it happen. If its being done by nice people or mean people, punish them all. Reasonable people will stop taking out their frustrations on random internet strangers, and assholes will do it again and get banned. Win-win.

Also, that is why I say play ranked and tell me it's 8%. It's far more than one every other game.

JubbinautAug 2, 20151 votes

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I didn't think it makes that big of a difference whether it was an article or a talk. When the point is to skew numbers and play politician to make your company seem like they're doing something they aren't, I don't think the format is the issue.

I agree, but I felt it was worth ensuring clarity of discussion. I'm not entirely sure that there's much skewing going on, there. I don't see any real benefit to doing so, nor do I see a particular place that they could do so that wouldn't make them look bad even without it being exposed.

It doesn't really matter what the reason someone has for trolling or griefing, what matters is Riot constantly just lets it happen. If its being done by nice people or mean people, punish them all. Reasonable people will stop taking out their frustrations on random internet strangers, and assholes will do it again and get banned. Win-win.

So you're suggesting a "no-strikes" system? Do one bad thing, and get punished? Or am I misunderstanding?

InsaneSamuraiAug 2, 20151 votes

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I agree, but I felt it was worth ensuring clarity of discussion. I'm not entirely sure that there's much skewing going on, there. I don't see any real benefit to doing so, nor do I see a particular place that they could do so that wouldn't make them look bad even without it being exposed.

So you're suggesting a "no-strikes" system? Do one bad thing, and get punished? Or am I misunderstanding?

Yes, that's what they're already doing in randomly selected cases, so they just need to apply that to everyone and I am sure the community would improve.

JubbinautAug 2, 20151 votes

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Yes, that's what they're already doing in randomly selected cases, so they just need to apply that to everyone and I am sure the community would improve.

It's not random, though. They're applying it to cases of extreme verbal toxicity, as well as quickly-detected forms of griefing, trolling, and intentional feeding. Thing is, though, that's been applicable since shortly after the Tribunal went down and they adjusted their approach to more-effectively account for intensity of toxic behavior, rather than basing the severity of punishment purely on recidivism.

The concern, though, is that many forms of griefing and trolling aren't quickly or easily recognizable, so the system is forced to simply follow the "standard" method of waiting for sufficient report density.

Though they are getting better with intentional feeding. Last I heard, they were testing and finalizing a system designed to automatically detect and sanction intentional feeders (not unlike Leaverbuster). It's not quite ready yet, as far as I understand, but it's heading that way. I expect to see it within the next 3 or 4 patches. Certainly by the end of the season.

InsaneSamuraiAug 2, 20151 votes

With the immense amount of money they rake in, it should not be this hard for them to implement new things.

It's nice to see that they're taking baby steps, but they do that so slowly that I have to wonder whether they will ever start doing any damage before the game just naturally dies out.

JubbinautAug 2, 20152 votes

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With the immense amount of money they rake in, it should not be this hard for them to implement new things.

Money doesn't solve all problems. If you're experimenting with something, for example, and need more data before you can move forward, throwing money around won't make that data come in any faster.

It's nice to see that they're taking baby steps, but they do that so slowly that I have to wonder whether they will ever start doing any damage before the game just naturally dies out.

Considering that the game's been growing steadily the last couple years, and seems to be continuing that trend (I haven't seen numbers for this year, yet. It seems more prevalent to me, but that may simply be due to a bit of confirmation bias, so I'm hesitant to make any statements based on that).

So I don't think the game's death is an immediate concern.

InsaneSamuraiAug 3, 20152 votes

I didn't mean to imply that the game would be dying anytime soon, just that their progress is so slow that at this rate I wouldn't be surprised if the community was actually worse 5 or 10 years from now.

It seems they need to rework the matchmaking system along with the entire tribunal. They are notoriously slow at fixing most bugs, and it'd be nice if they made a functional client as well. To me that sounds like they could use a ton of programmers and a new player behavior team.

nerak23Aug 2, 20151 votes

I agree with all of this except that they are actually trying very hard. This is a billion dollar company, they can do more than slightly improve one facet of the system once every 4 or 5 months.

See here is the thing I think Riot is trying to hard to let the community police itself and that is why they are so slow to make changes and it would better befit them to take it into their own hands and set a new standard..By No means do I mean that they should just go out and make silly rules but some basic humanity would be a good start and if we as a community started to talk more often about such things I think they would take note and start to implement certain changes.

InsaneSamuraiAug 3, 20151 votes

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See here is the thing I think Riot is trying to hard to let the community police itself and that is why they are so slow to make changes and it would better befit them to take it into their own hands and set a new standard..By No means do I mean that they should just go out and make silly rules but some basic humanity would be a good start and if we as a community started to talk more often about such things I think they would take note and start to implement certain changes.

Well I think something like that would have a fair chance of working if they did a dedicated sweep and tried to get rid of all the problem players before resetting it back to the community. If the majority of players have no respect for one another then they aren't going to be able to police each other remotely properly.

nerak23Aug 3, 20151 votes

These stats come from the same guy that said you should get banned for saying "GG Ez". Let that sink in.

Yeah if you are being a dick about it you should get punished for saying it ! And it Has been a factor in other chat ban logs that have been put on here...

Just because you don't agree with what that person said doesn't make it okay for you to be a jerk about it. And the way you just put your last comment I'd not be surprised if you are /were/going to be Chat Banned yourself...check the attitude dude !

nerak23Aug 3, 20151 votes

Just for kicks I will put a Lyte quote up for ya :)

Lyte (NA) 2 months ago in > New player reform system heads into testing The system does not just look at words, and tries to learn phrases. In fact, "gg easy" is considered a very negative phrase by the system today.

CharQueenAug 3, 20151 votes

League needs to:

Give players the option to disable Chat (( **See **no evil, Hear no evil, **Speak **no evil ))
Put in a reward system for players who do not disconnect or leave
**Forfeit@15 w/ 3 votes required ** (( I cannot tell you how badly I want this ))
Give out more free stuff (( Having played on the SEA server, players there were practically sweethearts! Everyone loves free stuff ))
Be less American (( Our nation is filled with negativity. Weeaboos may slash their wrist, but at least they can live in a delusion of bliss ))

I've more-or-less given up on NA League as well as LoL as a whole. Other versions of League are just as popular, just as updated, and have a much better community. However, I'm thinking about simply abandoning League due to the recent updates being absolutely lacking. The talent that inspired DJ Sona, URF, Star Guardian Lux... that energy feels non existent now. Everything feels 'American!' with its boring color schemes, 'realistic' animations, and a lack of humor. I get that MOBA fans want their game to be SERIOUS PRO SKILL HIGH TIER, but is it completely impossible to brighten that militaristic dream? I'm not asking for giant eyed characters and lolis, I'm asking for a game that constantly shows that IT IS A GAME INSTEAD OF A COMPETITION.

LaceUp23Aug 3, 20151 votes

If they actually punished anything that isn't "verbal abuse" the community would actually shape up. But, they don't want to do that.

TheSaltyScourgeAug 3, 20151 votes

People that get their jimmies rustled by what people say on the internet are the real trolls.

nerak23Aug 7, 20151 votes

Well I think something like that would have a fair chance of working if they did a dedicated sweep and tried to get rid of all the problem players before resetting it back to the community. If the majority of players have no respect for one another then they aren't going to be able to police each other remotely properly.

I apologize that I wasn't more clear :) I believe Riot is trying to let players police themselves but what I should have stressed more is that I believe that a majority of players are unable to control themselves and Riot should implement harsher policies. Perhaps implement some kind of program that let the unpunished or under-punished have more opinions on what should be allowed.

In other words: Let the majority of the most sportsmanlike players have more a say in the future policies.

Let Us All realize that most people will not go out of their way to right a wrong and the people the complain the most about punishments are the one who have been punished...Yet the ones who Yell and complain the most get the attention and consideration ! This is sad and I wish I myself spoke out more and others like me .