We need to be able to test champions in a mode designed to do so. If players can try out their champion they will have little excuse to refund it, and can save the tokens for RP purchases. This mode would be perfect for trying out skins as well.
ChikTikka Quick4 votesIsn't this what the 10 free champs of the week are for? I've never bought a champ w/o testing first during free champ week, unless it's a marksman. I buy them even if i don't play them+^^+ Patience friends, champs get rotated out and you can test in bot matches all you want. Although i will say that free champ count should be increased so that 1/10th of all champs are available+^^+
As for skins, that's what skin spotlights is for. Not doing anything with skins anyway except to show off to some noob enemy that you'll only ever play with once. [slayer-jinx-unamused]
jama6554 votesWho the hell uses rp to buy champs?
Warlord Zudane1 votesTons of people. It's also been shown that unless you have a high winrate it's cheaper to buy the champs than to buy an IP boost to earn the champs. Not certain if that's true or not though.
Ashe Jungle1 votes[{quoted}](name=Warlord Zudane,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=QuFWOIME,comment-id=000b0000,timestamp=2016-07-26T16:22:38.766+0000)
Tons of people. It's also been shown that unless you have a high winrate it's cheaper to buy the champs than to buy an IP boost to earn the champs. Not certain if that's true or not though.
Depends how much you play. If you do double boosts and play a shit-ton and win a lot, I think it's cheaper to do boosts (disclaimer: have not actually done the math), but pretty much nobody normal plays that much.
Junkο1 votesIt's not. Buying the on win IP boosts is NEVER worth because they are too expensive. A 20 win IP boost costs 1250 RP and will give you around 2000 IP, even though it's more expensive than a 6300 IP champion.
On the other hand, a 7 day IP boost costs 1020 RP. If you are a no lifer who plays 6 hours a day, and we assume you win ALL of these games and all games take 30 minutes and you have 0 wait time for queue or champ select (aka 12 games a day), and you get 100 IP for these games even though the IP gains are much lower . 12 * 100 * 7 means you gain 8400 IP. So you do gain a 2100 IP plus. But you need to have 100% winrate and no life along with no wait time inbetween matches. So for 99% players, this boost is not worth it. Also you still need to play the game and it's not instant.
TL;DR IP boosts are not worth buying at all. X day boost is worth it when Riot gives an IP multiplayer like 5x when 5 man premade or something like that because it stacks. But otherwise no.
I Am LeJhindary1 votesCan you tell me where you get your maths? In my recent history, the lowest LP reward I got for a victory was 80, up to 99, excluding the FWOTD bonus; the lowest I got for a loss was 54, up to 79. Median LP gained over 3 days (19 games, with 1 null remake) was 104 per game. (Without that free 300/19, median would be 79). All of that without any boost.
Game lengths varied between 21 minutes and 45, with the median being 32 minutes. (Values taken only from the minute slot, excluding seconds, for convenience.)
So your "outlandish example figures" are almost exactly correct, in my experience, minus where you said "win all games".
You also failed to actually factor in your bonus 2100 LP. So after three of these boosts, you get a fourth champion for free.
And as long as we are talking about no-lifers, which you continually brought up in response to someone asking about "people who play 'a shit-ton' and 'win a lot'." -
I'll throw my name in there. When I play on League, most days I go for 12+ hours, which should be long enough to discount the "queue time" rebuttal.
It sounds super nit-picky, because it is, but saying "It's NEVER worth it" is incorrect.
MisterShameless1 votesGood example are smurfs who want to save L.P. for runes and rune pages.
bill841 votesWell I bought master Yi with RP right when I started which is the reason that I can no longer afford any skins when they are on sale because I don't buy RP.
GaleWinUnleashed4 votesI thought that was what Hextech shards were for. They can be spent to rent a champ or skin for a week.
Edit: Perhaps I could expand on my point a bit. We already have a testing/renting system; it's just poorly priced and also spends the very shard you're interested in. Instead of more refund tokens, it would probably be better to fix the Hextech renting system; drop the amount of essence required to rent, and don't use up the shard.
Terozu2 votesAnd that's as if free play rotation wasn't a thing.
GigaPube1 voteswasting shards for renting is pretty much a scam unless you absolutely willingly never play that champ again, which is impossible to tell because time travel isnt possible. or is it O.O
Junkο1 votesOr you could use that shard to unlock it permanently for free.
d4rkshock3 votesYou mean the sandbox mode. This is one of the things in dota that lol doesn't have. It's also something we've been asking for for a very long time like the new client that's in alpha right now. Want to practice landing a skillshot on a moving target through a creep wave, go demo mode. Want to stop a dash with an ability, demo mode. O want to see a new hero's abilities, demo mode (referring to dota). Also the client doesn't tell you the math or duration of your abilities.
xBushx1 votesYou can tell they are tinkering with an idea of a sandbox when they added siege mode and stuff like the "Flash Zone".
however, IMO if they create a sandbox it will just create more issues for glitches and gimmicks as players with be able to indentify certain exploits if they were able to replicate certain button combinations a limitless amount of times opposed to being gated by cool downs. It's kind of a tit for tat. Considering they don't even fix major bugs in the PBE BEFORE releasing champs and skins to live. The team would just have a plethora of bugs.
They could call it "Sneak's Sandbox".
Pika Fox1 votesIf players can more easily find exploits its probably a good idea; yes exploits will be more common, but riot also cant fix what they dont know exists. Its not like the mode would enable exploits, just, according to your assertion, make discovering them faster.
Hella Kaiser3 voteslike "Jungle Practice" in smite? i like that mode! i get to try new champs abilities before i get the money to buy it :D
Supreme Senpai692 votesConsidering you can't see the ability's damage and duration and stuff on the champion page in the client, and the video preview of their abilities are all very bad or inaccurate, being able to test out a champ would be very good
AngelEnby1 votesI mean if you go to their website you can see the scaling of their abilities on champions....
Supreme Senpai691 votesYeah but that's sorta like not being able to see Destiny's lore in game. You have to go to their site to read any lore, and they have very good lore. You can see their abilities on a separate site, but you shouldn't have to. The information and stuff is right there on the client, all they have to do is plug in the numbers and that's it. There's not really a reason not to.
NightmareAmazoX2 votesHots lets you test their champs like a sandbox mode you can level up your champ to the maximum, Get your gold to infinite to try items etc. Hopefully riot implements this when the new client is out.
We need animated portraits too.
Terozu1 votesThis isn't HOTS
kile1471 votesDoesn't mean that Riot can't learn from their good ideas.
Terozu1 votesIf their ideas are so good why is league more popular?
kile1471 votesI assume because Riot does more things better, but that doesn't mean they are perfect and can't improve. It's not like they haven't borrowed ideas from HotS before. Dynamic Queue was in HotS before League had it and yet that has been adopted despite the protests of a large part of the community.
Conversely sandbox mode is quite possibly the least objectionable feature possible. If you don't want to use it you don't have to, it existing in the game would not negatively effect anyone's experience. There is not really any good argument for why there isn't a sandbox mode aside from "it's too hard to make".
Faie1 votesHots doesn't even have gold and items wtf
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Sometimes Akali1 votesYeah this is a great idea so people dont waste Riot's time on people who want pbe to have every character unlocked xd
General Esdeath 1 votesYou mean sandbox mode? Good luck with that.
Deep Terror Nami1 votesI was thinking of something much simpler than could be called that.
Venomar1 votesThey don't even need sandbox mode they can just make all champs available in bot games.
Arakadia1 votesI still want refunds too lol.
redfeenix1 votesWell you can test out all skins on the pbe eh? That essentially serves as a free try mode for skins
Cookimonster3161 votesNot everybody has the PBE though
d4rkshock1 votesRiot selects people for pbe. There's few spots available. Only people with good track reccords will be selected and it's somewhat patch specific like if they were to rework shyvana or buff her by alot, I would probably be picked although I haven't played her alot recently but she was the first champion I was good with so she has a place in my heart. She has seemed like a feast or famine ever since bloodrazor but she's getting a small buff.
WaterDonkey1 votesWhile i would love to see a sandbox mode. there is the argument of free week. while yes its a week one its something that they can justify trying before you buy imo. yeah i know its not always the one you want but yaa.
Ace Access 1 votesthat an I'd like the option to disenchant champs I've unlocked
Thuban1 votesDoesn't matter anyway. Reflex clicking happens, even when moving slow working your hardest to pay attention and think. 8 times I accidentally bought something due to reflexes. The RP purchase needs a damn prompt.
Terozu1 votesIt has one...
Decrit1 votesHopefully with the new client. Riot is doing it so such things are possible after all.
PaladinNO1 votesWe don't need more refund tokens: we need to be able to test champions in a mode designed to do so.
THIS, I agree with. I've seen sooo many people cry, cry, cry over no refunds, and only when questioned further they admit to having spent all of their refunds on some 450 IP champions (usually the same one twice) soon after signup.
While I have championed for 1 refund per season, up to a maximum of 3, I can forfeit that if we get a mode where we can try out content beforehand.
However, such a mode will have to be made in such a way that it doesn't take away players from the regular queues on a permanent basis.
Lancerblader1 votescant agree with this more having used this feature when i played heroes of the storm a bit. makes it so much easier to decide which characters i want to save up for first, well if i didnt already own them all so a bit too late for me xP
Rainbow Smarf1 votesjust like it work in heroes of the storm lol rito already copied the DQ from them may aswell just quit league and go for HoTS
Pika Fox1 votesAgreed. I feel like they attempted to do this with hextech crafting, but failed miserably.
A system where every x games or so you got a token to redeem one champion/skin "trial" that allowed you to temp buy a champ or skin for a limited amount of time to test it out would be a great idea imo. You could even limit it to once per champ/skin to avoid the abuse case of someone just temp buying forever if youre really scared of the abuse case.
And yes, this would be a good addition for skins too; before anyone comments asking why, its because skin videos and teasers assume max or near max quality settings. Skins dont always look the same or as good on lower quality settings.
aLawfulFalafel1 voteswrong, we DO need more refunds as riot keeps changing champs so drastically, if i buy a skin for OG shen and they change shen and i no longer like shen at all then why cant i have that RP back to buy a skin for a champ i DO like?
i have paid money for skins on champs i LOVED but i no longer play those champions as they arent the same champion anymore, so in the end i bought a skin for a champ that doesn't exist anymore and i'm supposed to be satisfied with a similar skin on a similar champ that i hate? no
either give more refund tokens ( per year or RW ) or flat out give spent RP back to the account and remove skins from reworked champs.
RIP frozen Shen and desperada Cassiopeia skins
i know i refuse to buy skins anymore and with hextech crafting i can get em for free anyways, i never asked for free skins, just my moneys worth but hey, if i can get free skins over getting my moneys worth then i will simply stop spending money and get free skins i dont undertsand the marketing angle here but i know as a customer i went from, hell yeah ill spend money on rito to awww hell nah i'm not giving them money anymore.
but im not really complaining as long as i get free skins, just seems that giving free skins brings less money then keeping smiles on the faces of those that DO spend money.
vampirekid131 voteswrong, we DO need more refunds as riot keeps changing champs so drastically, if i buy a skin for OG shen and they change shen and i no longer like shen at all then why cant i have that RP back to buy a skin for a champ i DO like?
i have paid money for skins on champs i LOVED but i no longer play those champions as they arent the same champion anymore, so in the end i bought a skin for a champ that doesn't exist anymore and i'm supposed to be satisfied with a similar skin on a similar champ that i hate? no
either give more refund tokens ( per year or RW ) or flat out give spent RP back to the account and remove skins from reworked champs.
RIP frozen Shen and desperada Cassiopeia skins
i know i refuse to buy skins anymore and with hextech crafting i can get em for free anyways, i never asked for free skins, just my moneys worth but hey, if i can get free skins over getting my moneys worth then i will simply stop spending money and get free skins i dont undertsand the marketing angle here but i know as a customer i went from, hell yeah ill spend money on rito to awww hell nah i'm not giving them money anymore.
but im not really complaining as long as i get free skins, just seems that giving free skins brings less money then keeping smiles on the faces of those that DO spend money.
2cents
as far as im aware if you ask for a refund within a month of a remake they give it to you for free
aLawfulFalafel1 votesnope
have asked multiple times in the past and got told the same thing everytime, too bad you get nothing
they dont say it so rudely but trust me, they arent nice about it either and leave you feeling ripped off and make it clear that they dont care if you spend more money as they have some of your money now (even though you arent even asking for money back )
ZT Xperimentor1 votesThe word sandbox returns to mind; but . . . http://www.pvpdatabase.com/?p=468
Deep Terror Nami2 votesYa, I made a request for sandbox mode myself a while back, though what I'm imagining here is much more simple.
