And that's when I ran away for dear life (playing Rengar btw) on my two legs, and seeing her unleash her ult and shoots it out...........got saved by a small inch from the tip of her swing.
Rito, thank you for that glorious speed reduction on that Riven ult. Thank you..... http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1194885/thumbs/o-CHEERS-LEONARDO-DICAPRIO-570.jpg?5
Praetor Don13 votesAnd that's when I ran away for dear life (playing Rengar btw) on my two legs, and seeing her unleash her ult and shoots it out...........got saved by a small inch from the tip of her swing.
Rito, thank you for that glorious speed reduction on that Riven ult. Thank you..... http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1194885/thumbs/o-CHEERS-LEONARDO-DICAPRIO-570.jpg?5
And then....
I Main Swain6 votes
basically created for the sole purpose of trolling karthus players
ElJanitorFrank1 votesWell, if the Soraka isn't building full AP, which she shouldn't be, Karthus' R is going to do much more damage.
Champion Skin7 votesKarthus damage on R 250 / 400 / 550 +60% AP
Soraka damage on R (when below 40% hp) 225 / 375 / 525 (+ 82.5% AP)
Soraka has slightly lower base values and however she has slightly higher AP ratio... however the more MR the targets have the better Soraka heal will be compared to Karthus damage So if everyone has high MR and Soraka has decent AP she could possibly deny Karthus ult pretty hard (after all even if Soraka ult is slightly worse Karthus ult still needs to deal the damage needed to get through MR and the targets HP before the heal)
I Main Swain1 votesmeh, depends on the team. against a karthus, any respectable player would almost always have some mr, which wouldn't block a ton considering that he would have magic pen, but still a decent amount. plus, most soraka players still build a pretty good amount of ap.
ElJanitorFrank1 votesAh, forgot Soraka doesn't have to go through MR.
But if Soraka is building support items instead of AP, I think Karthus will still do more damage than Soraka will heal. Definitely depends on who, though. Soraka can probably heal a tank more than Karthus can damage one.
Sinister Snail1 votesHowever, Karth will have solo lane xp and gold.
LeeDark1 votesEven with zero AP, until Karthus gets significant penetration, he'll have a hard time killing anyone.
ElJanitorFrank1 votesNot true, the reason he hardly kills anyone early game is because his ultimate simply has little damage at that point. You can build full AP and still do massive damage.
LeeDark1 votesAt just BASE MR, Karthus needs more than 50 AP at level 6 just to MATCH Soraka's base heal, and every AP each of them gets puts her further and further ahead. That's very important, that last part. For Soraka, EACH POINT of AP has an exponential growth in value. 10 points for Soraka has to be matched by 14 points of AP for Karthus, WITHOUT considering Magic Resist; 20 points for Soraka has to be matched by 27 points for Karthus. Throw in just one MR item on each member of Soraka's team, and Karthus will need two items just to match one of Soraka's. Without penetration, Karthus can't really hope to get any cleanup kills with his ult. Soraka's cooldown is also shorther than Karthus'.
Except for the fact that Karthus will hit six first and have a short window to use his ult without it being negated by Soraka's, his situation is largely hopeless. He can only take solace in the fact that he forced the other team to pick Soraka when they could have had a better support.
ElJanitorFrank1 votesBut you have a few saving graces. First of all, Soraka isn't going to be building full AP items or have a reliable gold income like Karthus. Her first item would be a sightstone, which will put her very very far behind him. And he won't get hardly any utility outside a Zhonya's or MAYBE an archangels.
And Soraka isn't going to save her ult for Karthus'. If someone's about to die, she's going to ult, Karthus or not. A lot of the time she'll ult her team when someone is still fighting, and they'll just barely get away after she heals them, only to get a greeting from Karthus.
LeeDark1 votesKarthus often likes to start with a tear or RoA, hell, sometimes both, to be a lategame powerhouse though. Like I said, though, because of the Magic Resist he has to overcome, he often needs twice as much AP as Soraka or more JUST to do more damage than her ult heals. We're not even talking about the damage needed to kill the person. This is just to be stronger than Soraka. Once he figures out how much more damage he does than she can heal, that only tells him how low his opponents have to be for him to clean up. Without Soraka, anyone under a quarter health is in serious danger. If Karthus farmed well and is fed, that could go up to a third health. With Soraka, you aren't in any danger until you fall below 10% health.
Drackolus1 votes came first. was created so Raka had somebody to royally screw over.
lDontLiftIcarry3 votes[deleted]
BeatzBoyFTW22 votesriot hates riven being even slightly viable.
I pick her into sion top other than that she's worthless to me.
That seems like a good thing to me. Really prefer Riot to push Riven into the Ryze bar doe lol :p
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Z Statistic16 voteshttp://champion.gg/statistics/#?sortBy=general.winPercent&order=descend
Oh look, Riven has the second highest winrate toplane. GG she's trash. Better buff Riven.
lDontLiftIcarry5 votesdo you know why though?
Its because tanks can't land CC on her. lol
She uses her abilities to dodge it. thats why shes a high pick rate with sion/cho being super popular.
Megarolf10 votesWhere did you get this information from? Perhaps you find it up your arse next to your head.
FirstSergeantBim4 votesI concur. He seems to be pooping shit information out of his brain. Which must make his head his arse.
Nunya Bezwacks2 votesHe isn't wrong even a half decent riven can dodge cho'gath's and sion's skills pretty easy apart from cho'gath's scream and sion's shield
Nunya Bezwacks3 votesyeah cus i totally hear people talking about how op wukong,hiemerdinger,mordekaiser,and even hecarim, are and dont give me bull about "ban rates" riven has a 10% ban rate if she was as broken as you noobs think she would have 50% like hecarim...
on a side note that is kinda funny how such an easy champion to deal with has a 52% win rate and a 50% ban rate
Z Statistic2 votesWukong and Hecarim top are insane. Well, Hecarim was. Not sure how much those nerfs to his Q did to his insanity top. Wukong can hold off on building defense for teamfights because of his passive and thus can afford to be more offensive unlike a lot of tops. Heimer is still a thug. Morde es numero uno.
People only talk about the champions they THINK are OP. That does not necessarily correlate with who is actually OP.
Nunya Bezwacks1 votesThey may be insane to you but that's neither what I said or the point of the comment genius I'm saying they both have the same win rate and nobody has said shit about them because they are garbage champions most people (like yourself) will just jump on the band wagon that is insulting champions they dislike....except in this situation its not that they are right its that they are wrong regardless of who they point fingers at when morons point out win rates they fail to look at -- was the champion in question carried or did they carry? Are the players good themselves or was the person they are facing complete crap (hint: 90% of the people who bitch are the latter the other 10% got rekt one game and threw a temper tantrum)? did the champion roam for most of their kills or was the enemy team smart enough to do what most don't and WARD THE FUCKING MAP? all of that matters when counting the champion as balanced. There is a lot of shit people need to know and all of it is ignored when people say "omg this champ is so broken"
Aych Pii1 votesRiven isn't FotM, so less people are playing her and she's less likely to show up in any given game you don't ban her. Thus, she's a less important ban then Hecarim. Also, she has a massive skillcap so some players that pick her will just feed anyways. No real reason to ban her compared to people like Hecarim and Sejuani who will be picked any game you don't ban them because they're strong and relatively easy to learn, as well as being way overhyped at the moment.
r11na2 votesAlso, she has a massive skillcap so some players that pick her will just feed anyways
Lol virtually no Riven players are anywhere near that high skillcap except players like BoxBox and BRNA.
Riven has an extremely low skill floor and any noob can pick her up can face roll with her.
I Main Swain2 votesPlease don't spread your shit ideology around that its ok to just gut or nerf as long as its annoying to a few casual players.
ok, first off, it isn't just annoying to "a few casual players". it's annoying to almost every player in the game, including a lot of pros and rioters. people aren't just pissed with her because they lose to a couple fed rivens, people are upset with her because she is winning in situations that she really shouldn't be able to.
Nunya Bezwacks3 votesno people are mad cus they are bad and don't know how to back off...or ward....or use any % of their brain....or anything that doesn't include feeding only people who lose to riven are noobs.....and people fighting boxbox
lDontLiftIcarry1 votesDon't bother arguing with the angry casuals. You'll just eat downvotes. Let these plats and lowers just talk. it's all they're good at after all.
Nunya Bezwacks1 voteswhat do I care 99.99% of what I say is apparently wrong to most people despite more often then not the same people said the same shit or end up saying the same shit later
lDontLiftIcarry1 votesoh and to answeer that post about hecarim Its because trash players try to all in level 2-4 and die to hecarim who runs teleport and clears a camp for quick level 2. You'd be surprised how easy it is to crush a lane completely by the time you hit 6 you already have 1-3 kills on most people who don't know how to lane.
I Main Swain1 votesas I said earlier, as a riven player, this just isn't true. first off, that "backing off" that you're talking about? the point at which you are really safe is under your tower. all but a few top laners will get destroyed by any riven who knows what she's doing. second, warding has literally nothing to do with fighting riven. sure, you need to ward, but that is about junglers and other laners roaming, not your lane opponent. to be perfectly honest, the only time a riven loses is when she isn't good at riven or she's getting camped like no other. now I'm not going to be one of those retards that says she has no counterplay and takes 0 skill, but she still is too strong.
Steelflame8 votesShe needed the nerf though, she was sitting at a 54% winrate on top of a high pickrate.
And honestly, Riven's kit is a toxic pile of ****. I wouldn't mind it at all if she couldn't literally animation cancel her entire kit to get it out in under a second, but she can.
Raw7 votesShe needed the nerf though, she was sitting at a 54% winrate on top of a high pickrate.
And honestly, Riven's kit is a toxic pile of ****. I wouldn't mind it at all if she couldn't literally animation cancel her entire kit to get it out in under a second, but she can.
Be honest I never have problem with her damages output....But that fucking shield is another story.
Sincerely, http://www.auplod.com/u/opaudl54d56.png
Steelflame5 votesMy issue is more the fact that her entire AoE combo can be 100% instant due to animation cancels. Her damage is fine if it actually is delayed by the intended amounts. She is a high DPS damage threat, I don't think she should also be a high BURST damage threat to go with that though.
The Soulforged4 votesPlease don't act as if animation cancelling makes anything instant :/ It is strong, but not nearly as bad as people say,.
galdamesh1 votesBox-Box can consistantly manae an entire rotation with aa waeve and tiamet proc in 2-3 seconds, since you are cc'ed for .75 then knock back you have roughly 1-2 seconds to react to the burst
The Soulforged2 votesOk, that's better. I think it's stupid, and the fact that animation cancelling really isn't an intended mechanic in this game bugs me. You have to do that to actually play Riven well.
galdamesh1 votesthats better? averag human reaction is .5 seconds that gives you oh average half a second to do something about taking a full rotation which for most champs is death
I Main Swain1 votesas someone who played a whole lot of riven for a pretty long while, this means exactly one thing. you are bad at her. there is no other excuse, no other reason. a good riven player can win literally any 1v1 matchup if she just knows what she's doing. why? because she's got a whole lot of gap closing potential, a huge shield, an aa steroid, a pretty good amount of cc, and an execute aoe long ranged ability that also additionally boosts her autos. while she isn't just a straight up noob champ, it isn't exactly difficult to be good at her.
Nunya Bezwacks3 votes"a good riven player can win literally any 1v1 matchup if she just knows what she's doing."
...translation...EVERYONE
chipndip11 votesThat just isn't true. How much a champ can get away with is match-up dependent, and Janna isn't 1v1'ing anyone...ever...forever...
Nunya Bezwacks2 votesfunny how you say that....because I once beat and ahri so bad mid lane with janna (aka. "1v1") it made two of her team rage quit
chipndip11 votesOK, Janna isn't beating anyone that's competent ever...
Chaotic Reks1 votesgive me one situation where a is gonna win lane 1v1
I Main Swain1 votesalright, touché, but she can do so far better than most. because of the extreme diversity in her kit's power, she is able to outplay you in virtually any respect. she can duel well, she can farm well, she can tank well if she wants to, she can cc well, she has fantastic mobility, she has a ranged execute, etc. on top of that, even while building pure ad, she can tank a pretty good amount of damage because of her e. if she really wants to, she can just get a defensive item or something like maw. most other champs have at least a few counters against which, if said enemy is competent, their "winning" potential is basically to play safe, farm up, and wait for jungle ganks.
HeadHonchkrow1 votes[{quoted}](name=Nunya Bezwacks,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=Q88MhGGE,comment-id=000000050001,timestamp=2015-05-16T02:59:18.863+0000)
- the other champions who can do this include but are not limited to....
fixed
Nunya Bezwacks1 votesyou being trash at Viegar doesn't mean he cant do well the fact you even think viegar cant do well against anyone if fuckin sad man i real dont know how you can be bad at viegar
HeadHonchkrow1 votesYou don't even play veigar...
