Can we have a punishment for reporting players who have done nothing wrong?

RIP Resonance·May 12, 2015·4 votes·1,111 views

It's so obnoxious when I see someone say "Report Fiora for feeding Teemo." or "Report Wukong for feeding Lee Sin." You can't expect players to win every single match up.

Or, my favorite

"Report Tryndamere for building AP." You shouldn't be able to report players based on their builds. Someone should be able to play their champion however they want to play them, as long as they're not trying to lose.

Basically, don't be a dick because someone wants to play AP Poppy mid, or if someone looses their lane due to a counterpick, or the other laner was just better.

36 Comments

Deep Terror NamiMay 12, 20155 votes

People who abuse the report function (by repeatedly using it against players who don't normally get reports) have their reports nullified. If you get a notification for being reported, it doesn't simply mean one person just reported you; it means you just got reported and have been getting reported in a high percentage of your games. It's extremely rare for a troll report to do anything at all.

RIP ResonanceMay 13, 20153 votes

Can I get a citation on this or something? It's too hard to believe.

Deep Terror NamiMay 13, 20153 votes

This is well known and Riot mentions it every time they go over how reports work...

Amazing GrandmaMay 17, 20152 votes

its made up. an automated system cant judge if someone is trolling or not and there is no way a riot employee is going to watch millions of games where people get reported to see if they are legit reports or not.

KrigjerMay 13, 20155 votes

I had two games in a row where the enemy said 'report my team, I can't carry hard enough'.

These people don't understand that someone has to lose.

AJStarhikerMay 13, 20153 votes

I also remember awhile back there was a ban wave that hit the worst of the false reporters.

HexaDecimelMay 12, 20152 votes

We should report those players XD

Evil JesterMay 13, 20152 votes

Riot wont ban you for building non meta, no matter how many reports you get, so why are you afraid?

EleshakaiMay 13, 20152 votes

Basically every person has a 'report weight' that determines how the system treats your reports. The more false reports you have, the less your reports are worth. If you do it often enough, your reports become completely worthless.(the system still TRACKS them so that it can determine if you change your report pattern to start taking your reports seriously but it doesn't act on them).

powerbatsMay 13, 20152 votes

Riot's done several ban waves for both toxicity and false reporting and threatening reports. They did a study and found the most commonly used toxic phrase in game was reported/threating reports. By Riot and the community when Tribunal was up voted to punish report begging/threatening harshly with Riot even more so. The last major ban wave when it went out for false reporting handed out not only chat restrictions but also a lot of 2 week and perma bans to the worst offenders.

Riot has continually stated that false reports don't matter and that those that spam false reports not only have their report weight lowerd to the point the system throws out their reports. But that those that false report too often get account reviews and bans since usually toxicity and report abuse go hand in hand.

RIP ResonanceMay 15, 20151 votes

I get it that some people are pretty bad, and there are times where I tend to lose it as well, but what I don't get is why we should permanently ban an account for behavior alone. I mean, at the end of the day they're still players too. I feel like it's a bit excessive to permanently ban someone's account because someone didn't like something they said, or their attitude. Video games are an escape for most people from their lives, which may be good or bad, myself included.

I feel like only if you're trying to hack the system that you should be permabanned.

powerbatsMay 15, 20151 votes

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I get it that some people are pretty bad, and there are times where I tend to lose it as well, but what I don't get is why we should permanently ban an account for behavior alone. I mean, at the end of the day they're still players too. I feel like it's a bit excessive to permanently ban someone's account because someone didn't like something they said, or their attitude. Video games are an escape for most people from their lives, which may be good or bad, myself included.

I feel like only if you're trying to hack the system that you should be permabanned.

Perma bans are reserved for the worst of the worst and only as a last resort after all other attempts at reform have failed and proven the person isn't going to change. By allowing those people to say you're making the gaming experience that much more harmful for those they interact with and driving way more people away.

While video games may be an escape for most people that still doesn't giveyou or anyone else a right to ruin the experience for everyone else that may be using them for an escape. It's no different than having your driving license revoked permanently if you abuse that right, the state will take it away in the interest of the common good.

RIP ResonanceMay 16, 20151 votes

There's a difference that you're forgetting about: people have access to a mute button. While what someone said may have offended you, you always have the opportunity to mute them. Yeah, people with bad attitudes suck sometimes, but at the end of the day, they're still people too. It just seems like the adult thing to do: mute them, continue with your game, and you'll never see that player again.

SmokedAlmondsMay 16, 20152 votes

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There's a difference that you're forgetting about: people have access to a mute button. While what someone said may have offended you, you always have the opportunity to mute them. Yeah, people with bad attitudes suck sometimes, but at the end of the day, they're still people too. It just seems like the adult thing to do: mute them, continue with your game, and you'll never see that player again.

Reporting is a community effort. Sure you can mute the rager and you will likely never see him again. But someone else is going to see him and if the last 10 people he raged at before you had reported him then you wouldn't have to deal with him.

RIP ResonanceMay 16, 20151 votes

I'm not saying they shouldn't be punished, but permabanning accounts because you got offended is a bit extreme.

SmokedAlmondsMay 16, 20152 votes

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I'm not saying they shouldn't be punished, but permabanning accounts because you got offended is a bit extreme.

it takes a LOT to earn a perma ban.

At some point there's just no reason to believe someone will change and they have to simply be removed.

powerbatsMay 16, 20151 votes

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There's a difference that you're forgetting about: people have access to a mute button. While what someone said may have offended you, you always have the opportunity to mute them. Yeah, people with bad attitudes suck sometimes, but at the end of the day, they're still people too. It just seems like the adult thing to do: mute them, continue with your game, and you'll never see that player again.

Actually there's a difference you're forgetting, the mute/ignore button isn't there so you cna be an asshat to someone, it's there as a last resort and by using it the damage has already been done to the team. The adult thing to do is not be an asshat plain and simple. While everyone has bad days those that end up getting perma bans have them 100% of the time and thus lose the right to play the game on Riot servers which are private property.

This is no different than going to a fancy restraunt and being a jerk, you'll be asked to nicely quiet down, then leave, then get banned for awhile then get pernamently banned from the place. They reserve the right to refuse service to anyone since it its private property and your actions are ruining others dining experience.

Bottom line you have no rigths to be an asshat on Riot's servers and no argument can be made otherwise and if you want to use the adult excuse then you should act like an adult and not make excuses and take the punshment like an adult since that's the adult thing to do. Whether I or anyone else is offended or not is irrelevant, you're ruining others gameplay experiences.

This is the word on it from Riot.

END USER LICENSE AGREEMENT (EULA) LEAGUE OF LEGENDS®

V. CODE OF CONDUCT While using the Software and playing the Game, you agree to comply with all applicable laws, rules and regulations. You also agree to comply with certain additional rules that govern your use of the Game (the “Code of Conduct”). The Code of Conduct is not meant to be exhaustive, and Riot Games reserves the right to modify this Code of Conduct at any time, as well as take any appropriate disciplinary measures including Account termination and deletion to protect the integrity and spirit of the Game, regardless of whether a specific behavior is listed here as prohibited. In addition to this Code of Conduct, please see the Summoner’s Code for additional guidance on exemplary game-play behavior. The following are examples of behavior that warrant disciplinary measures:

C. Harassing, stalking, or threatening any other users in the Game;

E. Transmitting or communicating any content which, in the sole and exclusive discretion of Riot Games, is deemed offensive, including, but not limited to, language that is unlawful, harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, sexually explicit, or racially, ethnically, or otherwise objectionable;

For you and everyone else that wants to make excuses if you don't want to follow the rules and don't want to get banned then either uninstall and never play the game again, or don't install the game in the 1st place. That may sound harsh but that's the bottom line when you agreed to follow Riot's rules. I've held my 2 sons to those very same rules since 2009 when they 1st started playing the game and they're 16 and 18 now and have never gotten banned.

RIP ResonanceMay 18, 20151 votes

Oh my God. You're missing the entire point. I never said they shouldn't be punished. I said they shouldn't have their account permabanned for you thinking you're entitled to not having your feelings hurt. Just mute them and move on. Report them afterwards, give them a temporary ban, or ban them completely from chat, as in not a single word is allowed to be said, and improve the ping system. People make smurf accounts all the time to escape being permabanned. I feel like it's not really helping out too much. It's kinda like how the American prison system works compared to any other country in the world. Instead of keeping prisoners locked up and in fear, try to educate them or teach them a skill, anything that will make their life better once they get out of prison. The same applies to League of Legends. Don't ban them from playing the game forever, give them temporary bans, and total chat bans if that's what it takes. Everyone is different, and so is every case of toxicity. Toxic players are still players at the end of the day, like it or not, and they will always be here. I feel like if they set up cases of reports differently, and view them from every angle, they could improve the League of Legends community dramatically.

powerbatsMay 18, 20151 votes

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Oh my God. You're missing the entire point. I never said they shouldn't be punished. I said they shouldn't have their account permabanned for you thinking you're entitled to not having your feelings hurt. Just mute them and move on. Report them afterwards, give them a temporary ban, or ban them completely from chat, as in not a single word is allowed to be said, and improve the ping system. People make smurf accounts all the time to escape being permabanned. I feel like it's not really helping out too much. It's kinda like how the American prison system works compared to any other country in the world. Instead of keeping prisoners locked up and in fear, try to educate them or teach them a skill, anything that will make their life better once they get out of prison. The same applies to League of Legends. Don't ban them from playing the game forever, give them temporary bans, and total chat bans if that's what it takes. Everyone is different, and so is every case of toxicity. Toxic players are still players at the end of the day, like it or not, and they will always be here. I feel like if they set up cases of reports differently, and view them from every angle, they could improve the League of Legends community dramatically.

No I'm not missing the point at all, I understand what you're saying and I'm saying Riot says you're wrong end of story. This has nothign to do with me having a sense of entitlement at all although nice try but you failed miserably with that insult. What you're asking for is toxic players to be entitled to not have to face an ultimate punishment for their actions. As has been proven before with the system you want those same players simply make new accounts and troll on them but with the chat restrictions and the perma bans working hand in hand and Riot nailing smurfs too THEY CAN'T ESCAPE IT.

Riot does try reform as you suggest and it's called chat restrictions and time bans with rewards for better behavior. Hey imagine that Riot tries reform and has since the game came out yet somehow you seem to have missed that point entirely. While everyone is didfferent is true Riot also hands down different punishments to try and reform those people and each punishment can be tailored for each individual as is being done.

It also doesn't matter that toxic players are players at the end of the day, tehy're still toxic and if they won't reform you don't reward them you remove them. This is no different than drunken driving, if after your lciense gets taken away and you still drink and drive it gets taken away permanently and you're thrown in jail. You were given chances to reform and chose not to and so instead of rewarding you by letting you drive more you can't.

Player Behavior manually reviews each adn every perma ban case before it ever goes out by a team of of multiple deparmtent reviewing it. League of Legends ahs improved dramatically sicne it 1st came out and it's because Riot doesn't tolerate toxicity and won't hand hold you nor anyone else and has no hesitation about removing the most toxic element from the community that it's so.

Lastly the only one with a sense of entitlement here is you and those like you that if you can't follow the rules feel you shouldn't have to be punished by the ultimate punishment all because you want to have a choice in your punishment. In case that's not crystal clear go back adn reread the TOS/EULA and then tell me who's got teh sense of entitlement here. This is Riot's game and they own everything in it including your account so you have no rigths to be an asshat at all ever.

RIP ResonanceMay 18, 20151 votes

Woah, keyboard warrior. Relax. You threw the first punch, thanks for proving my theory that everyone, regardless of who they are is toxic. It's part of being human. Everyone on the boards prides themselves in being the Jesus of League of Legends, when in reality they're just as bad as the next guy. Some are just more blunt than others. Good day.

powerbatsMay 18, 20151 votes

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Woah, keyboard warrior. Relax. You threw the first punch, thanks for proving my theory that everyone, regardless of who they are is toxic. It's part of being human. Everyone on the boards prides themselves in being the Jesus of League of Legends, when in reality they're just as bad as the next guy. Some are just more blunt than others. Good day.

Well we both went overboard and I can be very blunt at times while at other not so we'll have to agree to disagree.

Good day to you as well.

alaskaneagleMay 20, 20151 votes

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Well we both went overboard and I can be very blunt at times while at other not so we'll have to agree to disagree.

Good day to you as well.

54367

In other words you are totally wrong (like usual) but your troll instincts tell you this is the right way to respond.

powerbatsMay 20, 20151 votes

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54367

In other words you are totally wrong (like usual) but your troll instincts tell you this is the right way to respond.

The funny thing is you're wrong yet again and do nothing but continue to come into threads to try and troll. The simple fact is everyone here knows you're nothing but a toxic troll and the proof is inyour posts and in teh chat logs that keep getting you punished. You can lie and troll al you want but the proof will never go away and you'll never be able to troll without being caught.

RaptameiMay 18, 20152 votes

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There's a difference that you're forgetting about: people have access to a mute button. While what someone said may have offended you, you always have the opportunity to mute them. Yeah, people with bad attitudes suck sometimes, but at the end of the day, they're still people too. It just seems like the adult thing to do: mute them, continue with your game, and you'll never see that player again.

You can't mute troll picking or intentional feeding.

RIP ResonanceMay 18, 20151 votes

How about you allow people to play what they want? People should be allowed to play what they want and build what they want as long as they're not trying to lose.

SmokedAlmondsMay 18, 20152 votes

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How about you allow people to play what they want? People should be allowed to play what they want and build what they want as long as they're not trying to lose.

In a perfect world I would completely agree with this. But in the real world things like champion and build choices have huge impacts on the game and its easy to see why it upsets people. That said, you should never be reporting or raging over. For me it just makes me sad when I see people do random stuff.

powerbatsMay 18, 20151 votes

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How about you allow people to play what they want? People should be allowed to play what they want and build what they want as long as they're not trying to lose.

That's what Team Builder and customs are for so you can do those things and Arams is the same. In Regular SR and Ranked however that's not always possible since say building a Vlad ADC is bascially screwing your team over. There's some off builds and off picks that I've seen work but your team has to be ok with it and build around it to work. I've played with sme friends that went ADC SONA/ADC RAKA in SR when we did a premade they did a bot combo and wrecked the opposing team because we worked around their picks and went complentmary while other times we built what we wanted and wrecked the other side.

Ther ewas other times where we got wrecked because the othe side eihter had played against funky comps or had a better comp but the only reason it worked was because were ok with it and it was fun. With 4 total dtrangers it's like suprise party Fiddlesticks ulting into your team comp. Try and explain your pick but don't be a dick about it. Like I said use Aram, Team Builder and Customs to test out stuff like that and premade with friends.

RIP ResonanceMay 18, 20151 votes

I was playing blind pick a few weeks ago. Everyone on my team autolocked their roles, so I decided to play Ad Soraka Jungle. Yeah, I got flamed, so I muted most of my team. We won that match. I have played it numerous times sense then, because it's fun and something different. While it does put you at a disadvantage that your teammate might be playing AP Caitlyn, it's not entirely her fault if your team loses the game as she's one fifth of the team.

powerbatsMay 20, 20151 votes

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I was playing blind pick a few weeks ago. Everyone on my team autolocked their roles, so I decided to play Ad Soraka Jungle. Yeah, I got flamed, so I muted most of my team. We won that match. I have played it numerous times sense then, because it's fun and something different. While it does put you at a disadvantage that your teammate might be playing AP Caitlyn, it's not entirely her fault if your team loses the game as she's one fifth of the team.

Yeah I can remember my sons doing it as well as freinds I played with and even total strangers and they usually did really well, Vlad jungle and other weird picks the same. I've seen meta picks suck horribly in teh jungle and then flame their teammates for them doing so badly.

TmooseMay 18, 20151 votes

Well, they put in the report feature people, so they can't punish someone for using it. It bugs me as much as it bugs you when someone reports for feeding or building non-meta, but that just seems wrong to me.

powerbatsMay 18, 20151 votes

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Well, they put in the report feature people, so they can't punish someone for using it. It bugs me as much as it bugs you when someone reports for feeding or building non-meta, but that just seems wrong to me.

They've never punished someone for building off meta, but they do punish someone for being a dick about it.

TmooseMay 18, 20152 votes

Yeah they will punish you if you are being a dick about it but they won't punish you just because you reported them.

alaskaneagleMay 20, 20151 votes

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They've never punished someone for building off meta, but they do punish someone for being a dick about it.

54367

It does amuse me how little you know. People have been punished for both building "off meta", and even for tying to main a bad champ (quite a few people were banned for picking eve after riot gutted her)

powerbatsMay 20, 20151 votes

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54367

It does amuse me how little you know. People have been punished for both building "off meta", and even for tying to main a bad champ (quite a few people were banned for picking eve after riot gutted her)

Got proof of this or is this yet another one of your easily disproven lies yet again? It's obvious which option it is especially given your history on these forums. You've made such wild claims before only to get shot down by the truth and in typical troll fashion claim stats are made up. But when you're asked to provide proof it's always the same, you'll have to trust me.

alaskaneagleMay 20, 20151 votes

54367

The funny thing about riot is; they are Way more likely to ban you for saying "report this troll" than they are to ever ban you for anything else.

The guy who spammed "ni gger" all game has never been punished,

The feeder who called everyone "fa ggots" all game never got punished

The one who said "I will track you down and murder you and your entire family" was never punished

Even the 2 (in different games) that spent 30 minutes in game trying to convince a teammate they were worthless and should kill themselves in RL were never punished.

BUT I say "report this troll" to many times in 8 games and I get a temp ban and my rewards for an entire year taken away.

Did you ever think the reason people say report so fast is riot has let the troll population grow so big that people are just used to seeing trolls every time they play.

powerbatsMay 20, 20151 votes

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54367

The funny thing about riot is; they are Way more likely to ban you for saying "report this troll" than they are to ever ban you for anything else.

The funny thing is you've just thrown another on of those well known lies out there, Riot will ban both trolls and not for saying just report this troll since that's never all it is especially not with you.

The guy who spammed "ni gger" all game has never been punished,

Yet another lie since you make the claim where's the proof since i can pull up chat logs from old Tribunal cases where the person got a timeban. The old forums are littered with threads from ppol comlaining about being banned for it as well.

The feeder who called everyone "fa ggots" all game never got punished

Again where's the proof oh great troll, oh that's rigth yet another made up lie.

The one who said "I will track you down and murder you and your entire family" was never punished

Oooh this one is deliciously false so much so that all those people that got perma banned would like to have a word with you.

Even the 2 (in different games) that spent 30 minutes in game trying to convince a teammate they were worthless and should kill themselves in RL were never punished.

Again where's your proof I mean since you obviously work at Riot so you'd have easy access to the proof to back up your claims right?

BUT I say "report this troll" to many times in 8 games and I get a temp ban and my rewards for an entire year taken away.

Yep more lies, you got a extended ban for being one of the most toxic players in League for only saying something so simple, yeah right? What a crock of sh!t just like all your lies. Most of those that got the bans of that type knew they'd been toxic jerks and accepted the fact they finally got caught and dealt with and owned up to it like adults.

Did you ever think the reason people say report so fast is riot has let the troll population grow so big that people are just used to seeing trolls every time they play.

Did you ever think thart you're not really fooling anyone other than the small population of childish trolls such as yourself anymore? It's amazing that despite all your lies like this most of the community has enver been banned since if your claims were true we'd all be on chat restrictions or time bans wouldn't we troll!

As I pointed out in another thread to you since you hate facts and logic so much here let me give it to you again.

Facts:

Riot punishes jerks.

Riot punishes jerks no matter how many there are.

Riot has continually punished you for being a jerk.

Riot has continually punished you for being a jerk despite all the times you've been given chances to reform.

You keep trolling the forums blaming other jerks for you being a jerk.

You were taught in kindergarten that 2 wrongs don't make a right and just because he/she said did it doesn't mean it's ok for you to do it either.

Those are all facts that you can't lie or troll your way out of.