A message to all toxic ADCs (especially Vayne players), sincerely from Support Mains

BeatzBoyFTW·Apr 12, 2015·9 votes·1,410 views

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8N5yTdGhIU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqakQqxkcME

Enjoy ;)

19 Comments

SEKAIApr 12, 20154 votes

I hate anyone who comes in with a pre-coloured attitude of "Only I can do this".

Doesn't matter where he is or who he is playing, I hate the mindset, especially when he has nothing to back up his claim.

exiledFromBadmenApr 12, 20153 votes

I hate Vayne. It doesn't matter which team she's in.

Nucleophilic atkApr 12, 20152 votes

The only thing I hate about playing ADC (and turns me into the whiny bitch) is when a support stands behind everything doing nothing...and the fact that if your team is feeding, you are pretty much fucked.

EvilScotsman1974Apr 12, 20152 votes

Laughed so hard at the videos but the thing is its kinda true what is being said.

I had a Vayne yesterday ask me to ping before i engaged as Leona and a Kalista who kept asking why i would go in as each time i went in i gave them a double kill (she was 0-4 i was 0-1).

Then again i did have a really good Vayne player who didnt get mad when i got first blood and was really nice when i got her super fed after she died a couple of times and even admitted that she made the mistake. I know its a rare case but it was nice to get some love as support especially from a Vayne player

disregardableApr 12, 20151 votes

Do you think it's unreasonable to ping before you want to engage...?

EvilScotsman1974Apr 12, 20151 votes

well when you are playing leona and looking for a time to engage most of the time there is a split second when you can i am always looking and when i see the opportunity i will.

If i have to ping first that opportunity may be gone and if i miss my zenith blade because i had to take that extra second to ping and it gave the enemy the chance to get out of range move away then yeah i do think it is unreasonable.

Do you ask Morgana to ping before she sends out a dark binding? Do you ask Sona to ping before she ults Do you ask Soraka to ping before she uses her harras

As an adc do you ping your support that you are going in and that you are gonna need help or do they have to react to what you are doing?

it works both ways.

disregardableApr 12, 20151 votes

No, it isn't the same both ways. I ping when I know that I need you. I don't ping when I don't think I need your follow up. Just because you see me only ping 1/4th of the time doesn't mean you don't need to ping. Unless you can kill them without me Annie , it's probably in your best interest to ping more than I do.

IcyPepperApr 13, 20151 votes

It's good to ping for a planned engagement, but if you see an opportunity the adc should have seen it too. Part of winning the game is taking advantage of the enemy's mistakes.

Part of learning the adc/support roles is playing both so you get a feel for it, almost to the point where you can sync up with your lane partner and act as a unit.

SEKAIApr 12, 20151 votes

Ping before engaging should be a formality, since it provides so much communication with just a single mouse click.

The only issue I have run into with some ADCs as the jungler is that sometimes a few ADC players won't head in after signalling the attack with pings so when I initiated the whole gank thing, he would just leave me there feeding 1v2 and mostly either die due to unable to get out, or I will need to burn flash to escape, while he proceed to blame me for it.

Other than that, the issue that OP is saying is linked to personality not necessarily the role's fault.

EvilScotsman1974Apr 12, 20151 votes

my point is that i was not jungle i was support.

yes i understand as a jungle player you should ping before going in or as support if i am hidden in a bush i can but if i in the middle of a lane it takes more time and gives more chance that i will miss and waste the mana and opportunity

SEKAIApr 12, 20151 votes

While true you shouldn't need to signal attacks as the support since you're right next to the adc himself all the time in lane.

But it's always nice to be that little extra careful. However yes, while you don't need to ping for every single action you do, just that when you are certain you're gonna get the enemy laner, include pinging the target as part of the set up isn't all that bad.

Or you can ping instantly after pulling, stunning or whatever to make sure you get adc's attention.

A Miss FortuneApr 12, 20152 votes

Not all ADC mains are bad, I myself being a Miss Fortune main but also playing Support as my second favorite role see bad ADCs and Supports alike, though I think that Ezreal, Graves, and Vayne players are by far the most toxic. Toxic bot lane mains need to learn that bot is a duo lane. You have to work together and communicate and you will never win every game and saying stuff like "ugh this leona gg @20" won't get the game anywhere.

Another thing is ADCs criticism in champ select to their supports. I'll admit that I use to ask people to not use Bard or Zilean though I've seen both of these supports do extremely well and get me so fed once I did play with them.

PartholonianApr 12, 20151 votes

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Not all ADC mains are bad, I myself being a Miss Fortune main but also playing Support as my second favorite role see bad ADCs and Supports alike, though I think that Ezreal, Graves, and Vayne players are by far the most toxic. Toxic bot lane mains need to learn that bot is a duo lane. You have to work together and communicate and you will never win every game and saying stuff like "ugh this leona gg @20" won't get the game anywhere.

Another thing is ADCs criticism in champ select to their supports. I'll admit that I use to ask people to not use Bard or Zilean though I've seen both of these supports do extremely well and get me so fed once I did play with them.

I think the reason Vaynes are the most toxic is because of her reputation as a great duelist and split pusher as well as hypercarry (which is sort of true for the right player, but the kind of raging egotists this thread is about probably aren't nearly as good at her as they think). That makes her appeal to the kind of player who thinks "my team sucks, I have to 1v5 this game" -- at champion select, i.e. before the game has even started.

Immortal StrifeApr 12, 20152 votes

I love when my support has no concept of minion damage, power spikes, and warding flanks, yet they still go in when they can't get out...pretty much every Leona.

Rundus1Apr 13, 20151 votes

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I love when my support has no concept of minion damage, power spikes, and warding flanks, yet they still go in when they can't get out...pretty much every Leona.

I can sympathize with Leona's though. If they have a carry capable of follow up then they pretty much get 3 and go. If you are a weak AD early like twitch/vayne, then whoever picked 2nd either ignored the bad combo or thought it didn't matter. Anyways, if a lv 3 Leona can get follow up, and isn't behind/low/susceptible to ganks (wardless), then they can ignore a few things (such as Varus's lv 3 boost or Sona's lv 3 damage spike) and enjoy the Leona's mini spike. Her passive damage, CC, and early tankiness boost plus a decent bit of damage mean that all the AD has to do it proc Leona's passive once or twice in a fight to do some nice early game damage. As for warding, that is her job, but its not as easy to manage alone pre-sightstone. If you push up and she wards river, tri-bush is open and vice versa, and the enemy support is likely in a lane bush that needs a ward. As a Leona main I find it most frustrating at this point, as the AD almost never goes to use his ward, even if i ask, and we always have lacking vision pre-sightstone. That's a different issue though. But yea, the sup isn't the only one who can ward. As for minion damage, 2/3 of her abilities will hurt minions while she combos an enemy. That means that if she w's to block some damage, she has to walk back aways to not accidentally hit a minion. If she goes in and walks out, her e hits those in the way and her w pops at some point. A Leona usually needn't be too concerned with that, as her spell's (despite pushing) actually help the AD farm better (passive procs for easier last hit.) Sure, some Leonas are bad/mad and steal farm, but most don't do it intentionally. It's usually just cross-fires from a skirmish, and if you follow your Lv 3+ Leona into a skirmish that started out equal, you can often find that even the bad early game champs can go even with or out-trade the enemy's Sona and Kalista or Jinx or Ez.

Im not saying that there aren't supports like that, but i usually don't hear of Leona's like that (except during her free weeks) and usually find more Sonas, Annies, Blitz's, and Janna's doing that kind of stuff. (although Blitz I can sympathize with too)

Spacesuit SpiffApr 12, 20152 votes

Fun fact: almost every time i see someone afk in diamond, it's the adc and it's because of some childish nonsense. Most of the adcs I see are great, but that role is the easiest one to climb with while still being deeply immature because the support handles most of the "boring strategic" parts of the game so the adc can PEWPEWPEW

Mecha MaIphiteApr 12, 20151 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SR6iYWJxHqs

bizzle89Apr 12, 20151 votes

Honestly, I main Support in ranked games, because most of the supporters at this level don't know how to support correctly. They stand behind you, don't trade, don't ward the brush, where all the hooks are coming from etc.

So you actually can't play adc, because without a good support you'll lose the lane and you'll be flamed for being a bad ADC even if you can't do anything alone. You don't get farm, you even can't get the farm, if enemies are not around, when there are no wards placed. If you're getting flamed as support so much, you're doing something wrong.

And btw. @threadcreator, when was the last time you played as an ADC? If you want to be a good supporter, you have to understand what an ADC wants you to do. And you can't get that, if you never play ADC.