Let's face it. Certain champions became unpopular af because Yasuo, Riven, Lee Sin & etc exists.

BeatzBoyFTW··13 votes·874 views

Everyone wants to play that one champion who has incredible amounts of mobility.

Everyone wants to play that one champion who doesn't require a lot of resource to execute combos & abilities.

Everyone wants to play that one champion who has a strong early game steroid to rekt their opponents early.


And it's all because of this that made tons of resources to reworks like Sion such a big fat waste. Up til now, I'm still sadden by the fact that it took Riot about 5 years to properly give Yorick the best & healthy update he can have after all the waiting & questioning & complains they had to endure, only to ended up racking a pitiful +1% of playrate til today.

I'm not saying those reworks made them weaker or whatever, it's just that champions like himself, in the perspective of Yasuo/Rive/Lee Sin mains, were just too chore-ish, like why pick him when you can just pick someone like Riven to spam abilities without having to cost so much resources or needing crap like making graves before attacking & such? Yorick & Sion can have the potential to deal a ton of damage & possibly carry the game, but no one wants to explore that road when they can just do it easily on those 3 Musketeers instead.


I'm just saying these imo. Usually the one thing I would hope for is having those 3 champions & others related to have some tweaks or nerfs in order to not make them oppressive af, but I'd be afraid to trigger their mains in doing so. So instead, I'm looking forward to the Tank Update, where a Rioter said that the item & champion changes should impact the current meta, one mainly being Lee Sin himself, as said in this thread:

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/yAk81Exd-can-we-get-a-brave-riot-member-to-comment-on-why-lee-sin-and-graves-are-in-every-game


And a small reminder. This is NOT a thread about me QQ'ing for being rekt by them. I destroy them in some games, I get rekt by them in some games, but all these won't solve the unpopularity Yorick & others similar are facing right now.

22 Comments

The Whamboozler8 votes

How did this thread become about fucking Yorick?

The OP's point was that people prefer flashy, action-heavy, resourceless snowballers over champions with well-designed kits that contain both strengths and weaknesses. For all of their "skillcap", these champs are NOT hard. They may be hard to play at a high skill level, but it's not that hard to faceroll through lower elos as Riven without any idea how to animation cancel or play her mechanics well. Riven, Yasuo, Zed and Lee Sin are all strong 1v1 duelists without mana concerns. They don't have to do pesky things like conserve resources waiting for an opportunity to go in. They don't have to worry about being caught out. They are ALWAYS capable of just going ham on someone and hoping for the best. They're also all VERY mobile too, so escaping from bad spots (including ones they put themselves in) is far easier for them than most. It may take a lot of skill to master them... but it takes VERY LITTLE skill to play them against lower tier players and do well, thanks to how snowbally and aggressive they are, and how full of mobility and utility their kits are.

TyrekGoldenspear1 votes

How did this thread become about fucking Yorick?

O_o

It didn't. Least not when I read it.

Terozu1 votes

Zed and Lee Sin both have Energy, which is a LOT harder to conserve, or at least it normally is but Lee even gets to avoid that shit...

The Whamboozler1 votes

"They have energy" is only really a problem on champions who need more than one rotation of their abilities to kill you. Meaning not Zed. Very rarely is it a problem on Lee either.

Energy means very little... they may as well just be manaless and cooldown dependent.

Thresh Outta Fux4 votes

His point is that, for the most part, Yorick and Sion are the epitome of well-designed kits, from ALL perspectives. Whereas, the toxic resource-less freelo champs are poorly designed, but more liked due to the fact that bad players can do well with them. There is no such thing as a "High Skill Ceiling" on a resource-less champion.

ZT Xperimentor1 votes

Indeed & agreed.

Big Lincoln2 votes

but all 3 of these champs are boring as shit. but that's just fine for me, means i never have to contest Illaoi

Yorick has an abysmal play rate because he is genuinely the least interesting concept riot has ever put out. old yorick was cooler and they threw all that shit away

BeatzBoyFTW7 votes

old yorick was cooler and they threw all that shit away

Point & click spamming old Yorick's W & E was boring af, and the main reason why no one wants to play him.

Big Lincoln4 votes

being a pussy until you Q enough graves and then fighting people with ghouls for 4 seconds before running away is just as boring. at least i got to enjoy beating people to death with my clone before; now it's some shit ghost that can't even do the job she was meant for because of the awful AI

new yorick fails to deliver any sense of satisfaction, be it mechanically or viscerally. not really any wonder nobody wants to play him

BeatzBoyFTW3 votes

At least new Yorick actually racks up more popularity than old Yorick did before, you can't deny this. As you said, having to rack up ghouls before being able to all-in was one point why no one would want to play him, and also why champions like Yasuo/Riven/Lee Sin were more enticing to play instead.

Of course, the solution isn't just about nerfing/tweaking those 3 champions. Probably a better update on the AI directions & such would be more ideal.

Unpaladin2 votes

New Yorick is patrician tier, he has value beyond the former Yorick who only excelled at making clones of himself. Do not dare disparage him with your le tentacle womyn plebeian tier taste.

Big Lincoln1 votes

yorick sucks

Unpaladin1 votes

delete this

Only Play Darius2 votes

Yorick just needs a couple buffs is all.

archerno11 votes

Have u considered that those champs u listed are so popular due to their huge skillcap?

BeatzBoyFTW5 votes

I've heard other arguments such as being "fun", something like that.

archerno11 votes

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I've heard other arguments such as being "fun", something like that.

Well fun is subjective. For me fun champ is Morgana mid even tho she isnt as flashy as Zed or Yasuo or Riven. But i can acknowledge that Morgana mid doesnt have as high skillcap as Yasuo or Zed.... It all depends where u get fun from. Some people get fun from playing slipery champs or safe champs to frustrate opponents. Some people get fun from constantly trying to outplay other champs with flashy moves. Some people play Teemo. Every champion is fun for someone.

SEKAI1 votes

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Have u considered that those champs u listed are so popular due to their huge skillcap?

Since when people actively like put in effort? It's a general and proven common sense that many people take the path of least resistance.

Considering the monster play rate of the supposed "huge skillcap" champs, it's pretty obvious that instead of the "huge skillcap" that attracts people, it is far more likely the case that they're simply just far easier to perform and do well or average with on a general level unlike the other champs, most likely to due to the fact these "high skillcap" champs are designed to have NO hard weaknesses. And not to mention they get to stroke their ego every time they do something remotely interesting and credit it onto their supposed skill and thus more reasons to play them more. It's a repeated cycle for all the wrong reasons, almost a vicious cycle.

Glory971 votes

Yorick is boring. There is no playmaking potential. And there are no different options to face a certain situation. So let's just delete all popular champions that have a high skillcap, play making potential and a versatile kit, so that yorick becomes popular. Great idea.

Glory971 votes

Yorick is boring. There is no playmaking potential. And there are no different options to face a certain situation. So let's just delete all popular champions that have a high skillcap, play making potential and a versatile kit, so that yorick becomes popular. Great idea.

flibitydoo1 votes

the two champions you've listed aren't very complicated compared to the "flashy champions" you've listed.

yorick is a lot like nasus and nasus is also somewhat unpopular outside of low elo.

sion is a cc tank. he does **not **have "the potential to deal a ton of damage & possibly carry the game". what you do as sion is you cc people for days and have someone else kill them while the enemy is locked up. due to the nature of soloQ being "I can't trust my idiot teammates to do their jobs such as play damage", sion (and support) become unpopular.

at the end of the day, the two tanky champs you've listed are unpopular because like many tanks, they're boring frontline cannon fodder. simply existing and getting hit is what the team needs/expects. intercept a skillshot here, force the enemy to burn their cc/summoners there, zone their assassins and stand in front of baron/elder dragon;that's all a tank needs to do. If there was more we wouldn't consider singed a viable top lane tank. Simply existing in the frontline and building defensive is all a tank job is, and there's not really much room to learn or grow as a player when that's the case.

BeatzBoyFTW1 votes

It's not mainly just about the champion's primary role/buiilds. Majority of players always have the tendency to explore things like AP MF, Support Malzahar, Tank Fizz & etc.

There was one point where Lethality Sion was a new thing, where he'd build Ghostblade & Duskblade while being naturally tanking from just cs-ing (I've fought with/against him before a couple of times), but that hype rapidly died as no one wants to bother trying it out as he wasn't that enticing to play compared to Yasuo, Riven & Lee Sin.

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