If Lee Sin's shield buffs goes through to the next patch....

BeatzBoyFTW·Jun 28, 2016·5 votes·1,271 views

.....and you're gonna write that long-ass paragraphs of why he deserve this buff in the Patch Notes, we'll just ignore it & assume it being "WE JUST WANT MORE FLASHY LCS PLAYS HURR DURR DURR".

Like, Sion Jungle needs more attention here, but yea, let's go to that one popular counterjungler needing a buff......

At least give me tons of useful context of why Lee Sin is getting buffs instead of Sion? And something that explains a lot about Sion's low pickrate compared to Lee Sin.

22 Comments

ModWulf HelhammerJun 28, 20164 votes

It might have something to do with him having a 46% win rate in the jungle

YumScrumptious96Jun 28, 20162 votes

Ikr, the people who get mad when Riot tries to help out a popular champ that isn't going well just say "Riot only cares about LCS, why no X buffs" its like, because Sion jungle isn't the role he prospers in so they aren't gonna make him better there and ruin his original purpose top. Lee is a jungler whose pretty poor now but the saltiness in these kids just can't handle Riot making a tiny buff.

The Bearded BardJun 28, 20163 votes

I'd honestly rather Lee get buffed than Sion.

The Great DivideJul 1, 20161 votes

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I'd honestly rather Lee get buffed than Sion.

At least lee falls off if he doesn't accomplish something by 20 minutes. Sion is just stupid to try and deal with in teamfights

DeadlyStalkerJun 28, 20162 votes

LC$ Big Play$. Period. Anything else that they tell you is the same the brainwashing media will tell you for you to be a mindless slave.

JafarThePandaJun 28, 20162 votes

Lee sin getting buffs at all is a mistake. People just need to stop giving him an abyssal win rate by playing him when they obviously can't.

YumScrumptious96Jun 28, 20161 votes

The fact that you'll just ignore it and think its because of LCS means you aren't the type of player who handles things not going their way well. "I won't read a paragraph I'll just assume" okay so your point is that you're too ignorant to listen? Doesn't give Riot much of an incentive to buff your Sion because you main him jungle or something.

BeatzBoyFTWJun 28, 20161 votes

Me maining Sion is not even the point. Sion is almost non-existant despite the rework & Lee Sin is still the number 1 popular jungler around, and yet, Riot still choose to buff Lee over Sion.

Elaborate me this logic.

YumScrumptious96Jun 28, 20161 votes

Sion isn't supposed to be a jungler, buffing his jungle is not what you would buff. Riot doesn't give Fizz any buffs for supporting. Lee is a popular jungler, who has a low winrate and isn't the best jungle choice. Kindred was better for a couple months, Elise has been as strong and doesn't fall off as hard, Graves does more damage in team fights, Khazix kills people much faster and has easier escape, Rek'Sai provides the same early game pressure, with much better late game. Lee is popular, doesn't make him good. Sion's main roles don't include jungle, I've seen more support Sions than jungle ever. He was also a big meta pick this time last year for, you guessed it, top lane.

BeatzBoyFTWJun 28, 20161 votes

Sion isn't supposed to be a jungler, buffing his jungle is not what you would buff. Riot doesn't give Fizz any buffs for supporting.

Sion is Top/Jungle viable, or else why would he have a recommended Jungle item page & Karthus doesn't?

YumScrumptious96Jun 28, 20161 votes

VIable =/= Role Lee Sin is a jungler, he's always been played primarily as one, Sion has not. Riot doesn't buff Yasuo jungle because Yasuo isn't meant to be played as a jungler. Until you can understand that concept you will never win an argument on stuff like this.

BeatzBoyFTWJun 28, 20161 votes

You've just compared a Sion Jungle to a Fizz Support, so I don't think even you are on the same level as what you're talking about......

YumScrumptious96Jun 29, 20161 votes

How many Sion jungles do you see now, I've seen more of Fizz support.

BeatzBoyFTWJun 28, 20161 votes

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/champion-reveal/sion-the-undead-juggernaut

Even his update clearly stated that he can do Jungle role as well besides Top.

YumScrumptious96Jun 29, 20161 votes

That's the champion reveal, Kindred was an adc in the champ reveal but look now, pretty much only jungle.

BeatzBoyFTWJun 29, 20161 votes

Well duh:

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/page/champion-reveal-kindred-eternal-hunters

Like Sion, it also stated Jungle, and even Ganking....

"a marksman desgined for life in the jungle"

Get your facts straight pls....

YumScrumptious96Jun 29, 20161 votes

Huh, yet people played her adc for a while before anyone realized she was a better jungler. Sion wasn played around and then everyone realized he was a top lane champion. Nobody does him jungle in pro play for a reason, ever.

Feed DaddyJun 28, 20161 votes

It doesn't matter if he's supposed to be able to do both or not. He's a top laner.

Like saying you want them to balance sion around jungle might as well be saying why aren't they balancing Elise around top lane.

BeatzBoyFTWJun 28, 20161 votes

Balaancing Elise top lane? By all means, let them do it if they wanted to. Even I remembered back in the days when Riot attempted the AD top lane Nidalee before they pushed her from top/mid into Jungle, just like how it happens now & LCS.

Olath QuortekJun 30, 20161 votes

Sion doesn't need a buff though...

LuggJun 30, 20161 votes

Lee Sin is honestly more in need of a nerf than a buff. Absolutely insane logic from Riot.

Gator NuggetsJul 1, 20161 votes

Lee Sin has a 45% winrate across all elos, including diamond and challenger. Lee doesn't need to be made op again, I just want him to be made viable. I think this to be true for all champions with abysmal win rates, but I'm really hoping Lee gets on sooner than the others because its a shame that a champion that can be so fun is just so bad now. All in all though, when a champion has a winrate like that even in the higher elos it's usually not the players that are making that so, it's just the champion sucking.

TLDR: Lee needs a buff because he sucks and all the other low tier champs should be looked into getting fixed too