A lot of people think he was banned just because he was playing Nunu support, but that is not the case. He was banned because of his lack of communication. Instead of explaining to his team what he was doing he would say "I'm doing this and if you don't like it, then too bad." Now, I can see what Riot is saying but Its still very wrong how he was singled out like this while Meteos can feed 5 games straight and not get any punishment.
Around999People2 votesActually, he pasted in a paragraph telling people that he was going nunu support to counter jg, told them he's good, gave them a link to op gg, gave a list of marksman who might even benefit from this.
How is that a lack of communication? That's more than the majority of games.
Fine Ionian Silk3 votesMaybe because he's telling the ADC to pick one of the champions that works with him, rather than picking a champion that works well with his team? He's expecting others to conform to his play style, but he doesn't seem to be conforming to the play style of his team.
duckarp1 votesHow many players you know actually DO adapt to their team? Look what youtubers and high elo players all suggest - ignore the team, you have to carry your games.
Fine Ionian Silk4 votesYes, but what he did was he TOLD his team to adapt to him, but he didn't do the same for his team. You can carry all the games you want, but this is a team game in the end. What's the point of playing it if you aren't willing to accept the team aspect of it?
HudnofskiBleh2 votesHe does communicate. And I've seen his stream. He pings which is more than most players do, and he talks to his teammates in game. His teammates even said they had fun with that strategy. The strategy itself isn't toxic or unfun. It's teammates deciding it's not what they're used to so it's unfun. You can't have fun if you don't want to have fun.
I also know you need to try in ranked, but he tries. And wins.
The player wanted to do something off meta (basically two junglers. No denying it's basically just another jungler.) But the strategy is getting hated because it doesn't go along with the 1 top 1 mid 2 bot meta. The argument I hear is that this style of play is bad for the ADC. How? Is the ADC literally a brain dead child that can't figure out that all he has to do is play more passively? Farm under tower, which will allow you to stay safe, have all of the CS you want without worrying about support taking it, and it's easier to get ganks from your TWO junglers since you are sitting under tower! I literally can't think of any good arguments as to why this guy deserves to be banned. He's also figured out a way to allow a typically bad champion to be usable! Players are always complaining about how the meta only allows a player to select a handful of champions if you want to climb, but get mad when this guy figures out how to make non meta picks viable.
Fine Ionian Silk1 votesIt's nice that some teammates have fun with it (more than my team can say when I play MF support), but he signed up for support. While you can't get reported for breaking the meta, please note that if you sign up for support your team is expecting you to follow the general way of playing support. Yes he let his team know in paragraph format, but botlane is currently a 2 man lane (AT LEAST with the fiesta going on down there as of late). You and the ADC should work together to win the lane so both people have an opportunity to HAVE fun. It's not that I dislike the strategy, nor do I dislike breaking the meta (I've even done it myself a few times), but keep in mind you have a team to work with when playing.
HudnofskiBleh1 votesThat's the weird thing. There tons of people who play this game and never ping, are toxic, and, at the end of the game, they're unsportsmanlike. It's hypocritical for Riot to ban this guy, but not all of those other players. I actually have a friend who plays duo top with Warwick, and he does pretty well! He never communicates with anyone except for me. Should he be banned, too? He groups up and listens to teammates if they give valuable info, but why should he be required to communicate with a bunch of toxic players, when pings are available?
And also, since he is not playing the typical support way, he wants to play duo jungler, where else would he play be able to play his VIABLE strategy in a competitive environment, then?
And I don't agree with the "You have to stay with the ADC all the time" thing. You shouldn't have to be stuck with an ADC just because you want to play support. Support should be able to support ANYWHERE, not just bot lane. And that's the problem. Riot needs to decide if 1 top, 1 mid, 2 bot is going to be the only way they let the game be played.
WHY DO I CARE ABOUT THIS SO MUCH? I'M AN EKKO/JAX MAIN! WHY DO I FEEL THE NEED TO ARGUE FOR THIS CAUSE ALL DAY?
Fine Ionian Silk3 votesRiot isn't omnipotent though, they can only go off of what's been reported. If you go off of that further, they mentioned before that they have a warning system set up. Can they get anyone? No. They're only human after all, but they can at least try. Also, congratulations on doing well with a Warwick in duo top (who do you play with it, if you don't mind me asking?) Also, pinging doesn't solve anything. Sure, they can provide a general statement. However, is a ping going to explain to someone a strategy (if such a thing is ever discussed... somewhere over the rainbow)? It won't be able to go into the details of it. He'd be able to play Nunu duo jungle into a game of Flex Que where he has a 5 man party of friends, or when he has teammates who agree with him in his choice and are fine with it.
Additionally, I never said anything that you should follow your ADC all the time. I just said that they need your support throughout the laning phase, because that tends to be when they are weakest. You can go roam, yes, but make sure you come back to help them out. While I agree that supports should be able to support anyone, the team you're playing with will have a general idea that the support should go botlane, and will consider you messing up their game, even if you don't.
Also, I have no idea why you care about this so much. Frankly, the only reason I keep posting replies is because it's only polite to do so lol.
HudnofskiBleh1 votesWith my Warwick top friend, I don't play as the duo top with him, as I usually mid and jungle. I've played games with him, and he's an irl friend, but I don't know if I want to give out his summoner name. You seem like you just want to check him out, but I don't think everyone on these boards have pure intentions. I'll see if he'd be fine with me sharing, though.
In game, no one has time to explain a strategy at length, no one wants to, and no one will as the game is going on. In the champ select screen, 
does explain his strategy and what he is trying to achieve. He evens gives the ADC suggstions if they agree with him. (He's not forcing these choices on the ADC, he just suggests them.)
Also, I agree that he could play Flex Que, I don't know why he didn't do that in the first place, but I still don't think he shouldn't be able to play Solo Q, as friends can't always play at the same time as one another. And some people say it sucks anyway. (Never played it myself. I'm an unranked scrub.)
I haven't seen all of his games, but from the ones I have seen, he pretty much does stay around bot counter jungling. And I don't really think he is a support, I think he's just a second jungler. (I don't know why people are so dead set on calling him smite support when he is basically just jungling.)
By the way, thanks for being reasonable and polite, even though we're essentially arguing. Most people on these boards seem to be raging monkeys who can't stand anyone with a different opinion from them. Tell you what. Arguing with people about this is just making me tired. Since you're being pretty polite about all of this, let's just end the argumemt. We both believe that players should be able to have fun, even if we disagree on what should be allowed or not. I'll even let you have the last word.
Gosh, I think I'm not going to debate with people about this anymore. I'm getting too stressed.
Edit: My Warwick friend: MixedBoyBarry. He's fine with me posting. He's not ranked, but people still rage at him for not playing meta. He's still better than them and does better than the meta slaves, funny enough.
Fine Ionian Silk1 votesHey, thank you for the wonderful comment :D. I was actually generally curious about how the duo top Warwick worked, as I haven't seen it done before. I do have to agree that people on the boards do have impure intentions though, so I do agree with you about being anxious to share, but I thank you and your friend for letting me see the match history via lolking so I could see how it worked :D. I'll agree with you about ending the argument, as it is rather tiring (by the way, you can have the last word if you so wish.) I also have to thank you for remaining polite through this entire thing as well :D I hope you have a nice day, and tell your friend I said good luck in his games.
Edit; Also, would you mind telling me the twitch name or something along those lines for the guy who played Nunu support? I'm interesting in seeing how he did communicate with my own eyes to see if I was actually in the wrong this entire time.
HudnofskiBleh1 votesSummoner: Take The Draw
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duckarp1 votesA HUGE number of players completely ignore the team aspect and I don't see them banned yet. Where is the justice? Why he deserved it and others not?
Fine Ionian Silk1 votesI can't answer all those questions, as I'm not a member of Riot. I can only tell you what I know based off what I've learned about this Nunu support situation.
Imperial Pandaa2 votesraises hand I try to. I play support and normally try to take into consideration what we need in the comp. Course, I'm not exactly a one trick either. I usually even ask if the bot/adc has a pref type for support; heals, tank, heavy poke etc...
Last season I had a Quinn adc and basically knew once they were 6 I would be alone a lot, so I picked Sion support (May sound hipster, but before it started to gain popularity.) It allowed the roam adc to snowball and get fed/ feed the other lanes and made me a pain to kill and bait the enemy.
duckarp1 votesSure, there are always exceptions :) A huge number of players don't care though at all.. Why they continue to play and he deserves to be banned?
Imperial Pandaa1 votesI don't know why they continue to play, I also don't know why people who are toxic and flame the game do the same. (Please don't think I'm referring to anyone on this board post.) I don't think he deserved a... 2 week? ban for doing what he did. There are things that could be tweaked a little bit though.
Perhaps suggest a lane swap, not changing positions, a swap. Send the ADC top and a top laner who can be safer, bot. The ADC would be able to abuse the top lane a little and when they begin to switch they have some free farm time. Throw a gank in at some point to force a back and do it again. Top to Bottom so the enemy has to waste time. (Basing this off a game where Swain and Yi kept switching mid and top to tilt a Riven.)
The thing I don't quite grasp with the Nunu is why he is having trouble playing regular jungle. I admit I haven't tried in this season, but in season 6 with Cinderhulk and Tiamat, I didn't have much problem with any clearing. (Might load up the practice tool to try when home.)
Finally, thank you for the friendly response.
Around999People1 votesI mean, why not give the same to the adc? Why don't they choose for the team's needs? Why is adc so special he has to choose around them and not them around the situation?
Fine Ionian Silk3 votesI never said they were special though? I mean that this guy wants people to pick to his choice, but he isn't willing to do the same.
Around999People1 votesNow that is where I don't know. On one hand I see where you're coming from. On the other hand, if I got into a high elo on something, I won't intentionally get myself kicked out of it by playing things I know I'm bad at. People argue that people shouldn't be one trick poney's then, but it always makes me think about how nearly everyone in worlds does one thing only, there was a guy who used to be a jg main before he became a mid main and it was a massive deal. So it's natural for people to specialize, all though he did it a bit much.
Fine Ionian Silk1 votesMmmm... it's a rather gray situation, so let me try to put it into example. Let's say someone is playing 
and the game has just started. The person who is going support is playing 
because they are a one trick. This is where I feel like the situation occurs.
A) says that they're going to do a lot of roaming and counter jungling. Which the team is perfectly okay with and let's them do whatever as the taunts the enemy team with his spinning axes. This would be the ideal world, but unfortunately, I doubt it rarely happens... even with
B) says that they're going to do a lot of roaming and counter jungling. Which, yet again, the team is perfectly okay with. However, the starts to lose and requests help. The then understands and proceeds to go stay botlane and yay, crisis averted.
C) once again says that they're going to go roam and counter jungle a lot, but the team says they really need Shyvana to go help bot, which they do.
D) Now here's the dreaded scenario. This is where says they're going to go roam and counter jungle a lot, but the team doesn't agree. They proceed to go counter jungle anyways ignoring their team while does not have a fun time botlane... even if they win in the end, they are seen as ruining the game experience for and are reported.
So while the communicated in all the scenarios, they only got reported in the last one. This is due to Shyvana not meeting a common point with their team which would most likely be to roam less, and stay botlane with the ADC. That's where the issue was. They didn't try to reach a common point with their team, and therefore reached a rather unfair experience with the team, resulting in them getting reported.
I hope that helped explain it in any way, shape, or form. Granted, please don't go asking me how would work considering I just made that up off the top of my head and have never played her in my life.
Around999People1 votesWell said, well said.
To me this is a debate on what is right and isn't right. Like with religion. You can't really say one religion is more right than another. Here the debate is at where to draw the line. Should he be reported for not going with a meta pick? No. Should he be reported for abandoning lane and doing his own thing? Well, usually this would depend on results, but here it's the interests of one player vs that of another and saying one matters more than the other won't ever work. So, them working together should have happened, I don't think anyone says they shouldn't have. But, being banned for winning and not being toxic/feeding is an issue.
Fine Ionian Silk1 votesYes, this is something that can really be taken either way can't it? Shall we just call it neutral, considering I think we could talk to our hearts content and still not get an answer.
Around999People1 votesEh. I still feel like a ban is way too far for having a way that wins the game lol. A warning sure, never a ban.
Fisher No Chains1 votesAnd what about people like Qtpie who flame people on their smurfs?
I sometimes watch his stream and I think he's a good player, but once he starts flaming I really change my mind and immediately leave.
duckarp1 votesSorry, but if people were starting to get banned for "lack of communication", 80% of the community would be already banned. It's just BS. He obviously got banned because many people reported him, a clear mob mentality. Yay, he's doing something weird, let's report him!
