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Seriously how is this not improved yet

Namquoron··2 votes·1,033 views
http://imgur.com/itZJ8RM

Going into the 6th year and your matchmaking is still a joke. I hear people say "that's just norms." Why is this even an acceptable excuse when you have a game that requires at least 20 minutes of my time before I can even try to surrender it? I wish I could say this was the first time it has happened to me, and I've even had the tables switched a couple of games. I don't really get enjoyment out of a straight stomp game in either direction. I get that occasionally it is going to happen and that can't be avoided just because the system itself has to try to place people but this is just ridiculous. These games though aren't even close in nature and it isn't an enjoyable experience. We can't leave or give up because that will just get us banned, and it creates toxicity among the team losing because people want to start pointing fingers, frustrated, or just stop caring altogether and do stupid things.

21 Comments

Powderkegg2 votes

Ranked mmr and normal mmr are separate. If it was based on player rank you could have an unranked player who plays at a diamond level who'd be placed against bronze and other unranked players.

Namquoron2 votes

This is kind of my point. Why the separate rankings. It isn't like the skill level has changed for you just because you didn't pick to do ranked. If they had a better system in place than what they have, what you are saying wouldn't be an issue. A players skill would be tracked regardless of what they picked. If they tracked the skill better the diamond wouldn't be playing with bronzes at all unless he had partied with one.

Bergk1 votes

Accounts have a different MMR for ranked than for normals. So high elo ranked player who never plays normals would have a lower normal MMR.

Namquoron1 votes

For ranked teams I can understand the split, but for personal rank I don't see why they split the mmr. You're skill doesn't just magically change for picking non ranked.

Namquoron1 votes

Also with that being said, even though it isn't 100% accurate, their team in the screen shot had over a 300 mmr difference over ours. That is a major difference.

Bergk1 votes

OP.GG displays ranked MMR even for normal games. But Riot uses different MMRs for matchmaking. And its so when you play a normal game with your bronze 5 buddy and lose, your ranked MMR doesn't drop. And vice-versa if you win a normal game with your diamond buddy, your ranked mmr doesn't shoot up. I understand why they have the need to separate the MMRs

Namquoron1 votes

If a bronze player can keep pace with a higher ranked person or vice versa I don't. It leads to a poor experience in their non ranked play areas which is a huge chunk of your player base. When you have a balanced match it can be enjoyable to see your team come out on top but when you have a one sided matchup simply because they don't want to keep a single mmr you end up with matches that are so one sided it isn't even close to fair.

Bergk1 votes

I would never play with any of my friends ever again if normal games affect my solo-queue ranked MMR. Your MMR determines more than who you gt matched against; it also determines how much LP you gain/lose per win/loss and it determines if you skip divisions or drop divisions.

Namquoron1 votes

I am aware of that. But that in itself is a problem. Why work off of a system like that at all? You can have a skill checker that basically tracks skill without affecting your ranked stats and still balance your system. The system in place now is broken and has been since release.

Hardstuck G41 votes

Here's the thing. DON'T GIVE UP. I was an ADC main before the patch (now I never get it -_-), and now main top lane. I have a fairly high normals MMR, playing with Plats and Diamonds averagely. And honestly, I don't have trouble. Yeah, their more than likely not playing their main role, but it feels really good, and helps your ego, if you smash a Diamond player who made fun of you for your low rank. (Example: I was playing Yasuo, got matched against a Diamond Trynd. He was laughing at me for being Silver. I kicked his ass.)

Namquoron1 votes

It isn't a matter of do I give up or not. Outplaying a single player can be done, but when the entire team is higher ranked and has better mechanics it really just feels like a waste of time. Is the game unwinnable out the gate, no. That doesn't change the fact that the game itself is stacked in their favor. It is like putting a high school team against a college team. Could the high school team win, sure. Is it likely, not really.

Hardstuck G41 votes

My team of high bronzes/silvers and a low gold consistently beats out Platinum players. Granted, we are more used to playing with each other, and we're also a 3 carry team. (Top, Mid, ADC, duh) Anyways, it's possible if you just think about it a bit more. If you're playing against Bronze/Silver/Low Gold, you're not worrying about wards when ganking. But in higher ELO's, you have to worry about it and think of their most likely ward paths.

Namquoron1 votes

You're talking a team though. This was a solo q match by myself.

Hardstuck G41 votes

But you brought outplaying a team into it though. And you don't need to worry about it. You can snowball off a single lane and just dominate the game if you're good enough.

Edit: This isn't saying that you aren't good enough. It's just a simply stated fact that can relate to any other person having this problem.

Namquoron1 votes

I brought up the outplaying for a single person. When it comes to an entire team though unless you are playing (insert broke champ here) taking on a team is difficult. Especially when everyone on that team has better overall mechanics and such than your team. When you are mic'd up and know what to expect from your team that is a different story but as far as going solo I don't feel as though putting me up against an entire team where the ranks aren't even close is balanced.

Hardstuck G41 votes

You are right. But it either means that your MMR is too high, or theirs is too low. So eventually, it will balance itself out.

Namquoron1 votes

The whole point of the post was to point out that after playing this game for 5 years now it still hasn't balanced out.

True Qiyana1 votes

Look at your teams stats. And your overall mmr is probably that level. That means you are playing at a Plat/Diamond elo

Namquoron1 votes

I can assure you that I am not. I don't even think I play at a Gold level. Couldn't even get past Gold 5.

AntiSkillshot1 votes

The ranking is separate for a good reason.

Say, if the rankings weren't separate. Riot would have to bar players in bronze from inviting and queuing up with any diamond friends they have, as the bronze players MMR would increase, and the diamond's MMR (might) decrease. It'd also defeat the whole point of ranked, frankly. In other words, it's to avoid any inflation and/or deflation of the MMR of given players that's reflected towards their ranked MMR. While I don't have a single problem with the MMR being separate, I do see your point nonetheless. However, I don't think there's a way Riot could make it a "one way street" when it comes to MMR (Ranked MMR effecting normal MMR, but not the other way around).

Namquoron1 votes

It wouldn't be hard to have a skill finder in the game. You don't need one number that dictates your whole game, but having such a high skill difference makes for toxic games. It isn't fun, it isn't productive, and after 5 years hasn't even improved slightly.

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