He has been waiting for the moment riot was stupid enough to do it....now they have...

Nunya Bezwacks·Aug 20, 2015·1 votes·503 views

and nerfs....The terror is about to begin

21 Comments

ninjaIRL Aug 20, 20153 votes

You forget, item 3143 buff with 10% less damage recieved from crits. All that Tryn does is crit.

Nunya BezwacksAug 21, 20151 votes

10% off of 250% isn't much

3TWarriorAug 21, 20151 votes

does it stack with the 10% from masteries or is it another "multiplicative" stat?

JubbinautAug 21, 20151 votes

I looked, but couldn't see anything detailing how the 3 crit-reduction effects interact. I'm honestly quite curious myself.

3TWarriorAug 21, 20151 votes

i'm not, i'm more interested in the fabled "balance" Riot believes in XD.

there are probably a dozen ways mordekaiser could have been reworked, same with gangplank and fiora

and now the "cancer champs" as people call them are getting buffs after their nerfs

JubbinautAug 21, 20151 votes

Well, that's a fantastic way to create and then change a subject, I guess?

I don't have much to say about those, and I don't think it's quite relevant to the thread. Suffice to say that at the moment, I'm not terribly displeased (except about the %maxhp true dmg - I hate that garbage).

3TWarriorAug 21, 20151 votes

well, someone has posted an answer to it, but my main point was that I know our faces will get melted by critical damage even with the 20% reduction to 230% damage

JubbinautAug 21, 20151 votes

Then 10% reduction is applied to the total damage dealt - so 10% crit reduction means IE crits do 225% instead of 250%. If it does stack to 20% crit reduction, then the Talent+Randuin's combine to negate the IE passive entirely.

Plus armor. Plus health. Plus Cold Steel. And a cost reduction to top it off.

In short: Sure, they nerfed FH and Thornmail - and then they turned Randuin's into a pretty effective "anti-crit" item.

ninjaIRL Aug 21, 20152 votes

It does stack. The Defensive tree's Reinforced Armor's 10% crit damage reduction stacks with Randuin's 10% crit damage reduction, I think it stacks additively, therefore it's a total 20% damage reduction from critical strikes. I can't find the Surrender@20 post but I'm sure you can find the tank item rework page in it.

ninjaIRL Aug 21, 20152 votes

It calculates it from total damage after the crit has happenned. So if you have a total 100 AD you crit for (normally) 200 physical damage. 200x0.9= 180 physical damage. With a infinity edge's passive you get 250 physical damage. 250x0.9= 225 physical damage.

disregardableAug 20, 20152 votes

They aren't even that big of nerfs...The way everyone had been whining about them for two weeks, you'd think they'd have cut all armor's efficacy by half, but nope. 10 lousy armor off. My god people cry over nothing on these boards.

Nunya BezwacksAug 21, 20151 votes

thornmail got no armor drop

JubbinautAug 20, 20151 votes

Honestly, with the crit-reduction on Randuin's, I don't think he'll be that bad.

Nunya BezwacksAug 21, 20151 votes

10% off of 250% isn't much

JubbinautAug 21, 20153 votes

Wrong math, though. The 250% is applied to the standard attack damage (for example, a champ with 200 AD landing a crit does 500 dmg with IE on a crit). Then the 10% is removed from that total (to continue the example, 500 is reduced to 450). Which is pretty significant, especially when paired with armor on the item and the Cold Steel passive that it still has.

Sniper 0Aug 21, 20152 votes

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Wrong math, though. The 250% is applied to the standard attack damage (for example, a champ with 200 AD landing a crit does 500 dmg with IE on a crit). Then the 10% is removed from that total (to continue the example, 500 is reduced to 450). Which is pretty significant, especially when paired with armor on the item and the Cold Steel passive that it still has.

Yeah, that's a very significant drop in damage. That could be another whole 1-2 hits which could mean the difference between your ulti fizzling out or not. Then like he said you have to apply armor reduction to that number which reduces it further.

Nunya BezwacksAug 21, 20151 votes

actually i did the math correctly kid. its the same as yasuo's passive

JubbinautAug 21, 20152 votes

From the wiki:

This affects the total attack damage dealt by a critical strike, not an additive 10% reduction in their critical strike damage.

Which means you're right. It's exactly like Yasuo's - which applies to the total damage dealt. From the wiki regarding Yas:

The damage reduction applies to the total damage dealt (before damage mitigation). A standard critical strike's 200% damage is reduced to 180%, and a critical strike with Infinity Edge deals 225% damage instead of 250%. The reduction is not a subtraction to his critical strike damage statistic.

As I said before, I think that's pretty significant. Randuin's negates half of the benefit from IE. And reduces attack speed. And is cheaper.

Nunya BezwacksAug 21, 20151 votes

bro i dont care about you being wrong stop acting like you aren't we both know you are.

JubbinautAug 21, 20152 votes

Sure, bro.

Okay, bro.

Whatever you say, bro.

But, hey, maybe before you completely dismiss someone because they have a counterpoint, you should check their sources. Just a thought. Ta, bro.

Sniper 0Aug 21, 20151 votes

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