Riot Complaint about my UNJUST 14 day instant ban of my acc will even put the log. Complete BS

Liquid Dario··1 votes·2,528 views

we need to get advantage early and push dat no they will be dmging late with ahri + corki + darius mid game is ours ggs fiddles why are you trolling ggs we done fiddles trolled the 1st two deaths by spamming laugh and taking 90% hp dmg in 2 seconds like a moron im done im leaving bot this fking dude uninstall pls this damn dude is soo bad fid ur garbage like worse than bronze look at my cs compared to fking corki thats how bad i was zoned not even a ward from this fiddles no pinks nothing i would afk too its this damn fiddles dude he did NOTHING he litterally sat in lane and spammed laugh yea cause fiddles sat in lane and spammed laugh like an idiot and didnt do sht let me get zoned like a dumbass doesnt ward hes useless kids like bronze 55 im toxic ? throwing the game on purpose isnt >? LOL ok so him purposely killing us both isnt trolling ok riven he sat in bot lane and spammed his laugh while waiting for theenemy to take 60% of his hp riven im just not gunna talk to you clearly u cant undestand when someone throws ur lane kog report this riven shes just as toxic as the fiddles prolly duo with him the way shes protecting him they removed that a while back riven ggs guys pls report my troll as hell support sorry we couldnt have a real game mundo and corki its not your fault corki lol u saw what the fiddles did clearly this riven is duo with the fiddles i tried to explain to the riven the fact that he litterally stood in our lane and spammed laugh at u while takeing 60% of his hp in dmg for 0 reasons dude fiddles look at my cs if u were properly supporting i wouldnt have been 50 cs down they had us zoned in 4 seconds because u lost 75% of ur hp by laughing like an idiot thinking u were cool ok shes def duo im reporting riven too theres no reason for u to protect him riven even the ENEMY TEAM would tell u what im saying is right so by u trying that u look just as guilty as he does the enemy team would agree with me not u corki did fiddles or did he not spam laugh and willingly take 75% of his hp in dmg at about the 30 second mark after minnions came ? tyvm corki even admits it still thats a dumb idea and it cost us the game lol i was zoned from that point on with 2 ranged champions with a sup who couldnt trade i had no chance from that point well when u have a troll for a sup thats what happens i guess u dont know the meaning of ADC cant carry ya when i have 0 dmg sick and tired of ppl like fiddles doing the troll crap ppl need to start being perma banned for that crap yup its just a norm who cares right ? like ppl are trying to actually practice stop wasting others time for your selfish bs same imma make u stay lmao idc pls make sure to report our fiddles i really think he deserves punishment for his blatant trolling that caused this game to become what it is the best part was he said its just a normal after he was done making sure we were screwed


So there we have it just to put some context to this situation. I even had corki on the ENEMY team admit that the fiddlesticks that was supporting me was trolling but I am the one who takes a 14 day ban for getting upset at him FANTASTIC RIOT I like how what corki or anyone else said isnt included in this.... Now I know for a fact its ok to be a troll u can throw as many games as you want and purposely be a douche bag... but if someone calls you out on it a 14 day ban awaits you. And I didnt even call him more than an idiot and chose to afk cause the game was lost and I am banned. SOO DONE RIOT if this doesnt get revoked I will never play another normal game again. I did alot of improving of my attitude this season I used to get banned for really being toxic. This wasnt me being toxic this was me getting mad at someone purposely screwing me and my team over and ruining my experience with the game because he wanted to be a douche bag. ITS NOT RIGHT RIOT ITS NOT RIGHT.

I reported him for his trolling does he have a 14 day ban ? what about the riven that argued with me consistantly because she was duo with the fiddles even knowing he was purposely being an idiot and throwing our game?

Doubt anything happened to them right ? cool Glad to see our automated system works perfectly and im glad to see that normal games are meant to be nothing but a sheer mockery of the game.
1 I cant even comprehend why a player would purposely waste time out of his life and mine just to purposely cause the team to lose just to laugh about it with his buddies later or whatever trolls do.
2 I cant believe you allow it to happen don't you dare say you don't because you do ... this case proves it. Hes still playing trolling other ppl while im banned. Not like I dont have other accs I can use .. getting banned for 14 days isnt the problem here. Its the BLANTANT outright BS way you deal with trolls and just because you see something TYPED instead of whats actually happening in game you take the context of whats written and ban and judge them instantly .. not giving a single damn of why said player would get mad. THIS WOULD BE A GREAT REASON WHY A REPLAY MODE SHOULD BE MADE RIOT WITH ALL TEXT CHAT BEING SHOWN SO YOU CAN ACTUALLY HAVE CONTEXT BEHIND A BAN NOT JUST A WALL OF TEXT THAT YOU JUDGE PPL ON. Bans should be both visual and textual with players behaviors even in game taken into consideration ... it doesnt take a word for a troll to piss players off. Obv your not gunna get a flag to ban him he doesnt say anything he just sits at his keyboard laughing about the guy he pissed off.

Like seriously I am done after this I wont spend another penny on your game I will play ranked and that's it. I cant even log on and play a normal and expect to have an actual game at all it is just not possible to get players who want to try in a normal match. I have to litterally play ranked mode which is stressful and annoying at times just to play a coherent game of LOL because you matchmake me with these trolls all day every day.

So go ahead riot delete this thread or ignore it like you always do that's your typical m.o these days anyhow.
Just know you lost a loyal customer at this point if this isnt resolved. I will continue to play ranked but I will not play nearly as often as I did and I wont be spending a penny that's for sure.

My only goal after this will be to prove you dont ban trolls by becomeing what I hate the most if trolling is what you like riot I can troll the community to and just be douche every game costing everyone their fun and their enjoyment just to laugh at their anguish when they watch me purposely throw their game and laugh at the player who gets upset at me knowing he will be banned instead of me. I have no problem making an acc and being a part of the problem that is seemingly what you want.

I called him bad and a idiot and garbage so deserving of a 14 day ban. Other than that I was explaining to the riven and my team what had happened and even the ENEMY bot lane backed me up and understood my frustration.

Cannot believe this onto my smurf I go until this is resolved. or my 14 day ban is up. Didnt know speaking to my team and explaining my situation was bannable. Calling him names was uncalled for but what I called him was hardly a 14 day ban offense.

78 Comments

Anomander8 votes

Read your chat log again ......you are toxic and deserve the ban.

AJStarhiker4 votes

2-week bans are rarely given for a single game.

I don't need to see Fiddle's chat to see that you were just as bad and, even if I could, I would probably agree the ban was justified. By the fourth line, you've given up on winning. The very next line, you call out Fiddle as a troll. If he was just having a bad day, you calling him out just tells him that you don't care and if you're going to report him anyway, why not have fun and do something to deserve it? If he was genuinely trolling, all you did was let him know he got under your skin and reinforced his poor behavior. And how do you know he's getting away with it? Because you stalked him on lolking and saw his match history? That doesn't work anymore, because of chat restrictions. For all you know, his next game with unacceptable behavior witll be his tipping point.

My guess is your teammates (and probably opponents if any of this was in all chat) reported both of you for poor behavior. It just happened that yours crossed the line into a full suspension.

magic pole3 votes

you got what you deserved

and by the looks of it, this isn't the first game you behaved this way

therealdragon3 votes

Your ban was completely just I don't see why riot should have to come into this thread and discuss it with you. And was the guy allowed to troll? no. But you shouldn't have been that toxic towards him. Maybe toxic people and trolls are getting paired up and getting a taste of their own medicine. Explains this situation (if what you say is true about getting paired up with trolls 75% of the time) and keeps the good people safe from people like you. If that guy was a real person and not a troll (and looking at his match history it seems he WAS a real person). Then it might be a good thing he didn't get banned. Also seeing as you gave up 4 lines in. You mighta started the fight not him.

Your attitude caused the change in him and so, your ban was just. I think he's a good guy and it might be a good thing he didn't get banned.

Liquid Dario1 votes

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Your ban was completely just I don't see why riot should have to come into this thread and discuss it with you. And was the guy allowed to troll? no. But you shouldn't have been that toxic towards him. Maybe toxic people and trolls are getting paired up and getting a taste of their own medicine. Explains this situation (if what you say is true about getting paired up with trolls 75% of the time) and keeps the good people safe from people like you. If that guy was a real person and not a troll (and looking at his match history it seems he WAS a real person). Then it might be a good thing he didn't get banned. Also seeing as you gave up 4 lines in. You mighta started the fight not him.

Your attitude caused the change in him and so, your ban was just. I think he's a good guy and it might be a good thing he didn't get banned.

No because I dont deal with this situation as much in my ranked games.. I deal with it only in normals for some reason.. its much more prevelant in normals. Also if you had a mundo and a corki as a lucian against you and a player purposely giving up kills to them would you still play ? likely not the hilariously hypocritical thing is that you SAY these things but you would do the same thing in my shoes. If you want invite my smurf and ill come troll your games a bunch of times and see how much fun you have ?? see if you can enjoy having a normal match while their corki is 6-0, 2 items ahead and your screwed. I am being hypothetical btw but still ya man if you feel these are things that players should be doing then by all means INVITE ME.

Colgate Gator2 votes

Nope, warranted.

AJStarhiker2 votes

So Fiddle was trolling. Ignore him and report him after the game ends. As soon as you started flinging mud at him, you painted a target on your own back and instead of 1 player ruining a game for 4, there were 2 players ruining the game for 3.

Retaliation has never been considered acceptable. Threatening/calling for reports is unnecessary and considered a form of harassment.

TBH, the new timelines they've added to the game summaries appear to be a step towards feeding detection. Riot has always had access to far more player data than was ever available in the old Tribunal cases, so I can remember a few banwaves on things that were missed by Tribunal cases.

As far as trolls 'never' getting banned? Most of them either try to claim they're victims, or outright lie about their bans. It's never their fault, and they should have been warned (ignoring the warnings, temp bans, and chat restrictions that preceded a 2-week/perma). Sound familiar?

Liquid Dario2 votes

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So Fiddle was trolling. Ignore him and report him after the game ends. As soon as you started flinging mud at him, you painted a target on your own back and instead of 1 player ruining a game for 4, there were 2 players ruining the game for 3.

Retaliation has never been considered acceptable. Threatening/calling for reports is unnecessary and considered a form of harassment.

TBH, the new timelines they've added to the game summaries appear to be a step towards feeding detection. Riot has always had access to far more player data than was ever available in the old Tribunal cases, so I can remember a few banwaves on things that were missed by Tribunal cases.

As far as trolls 'never' getting banned? Most of them either try to claim they're victims, or outright lie about their bans. It's never their fault, and they should have been warned (ignoring the warnings, temp bans, and chat restrictions that preceded a 2-week/perma). Sound familiar?

ok i will agree there but ive been playing this game for about 4 years now do you have any idea the amount of trolls i have dealt with ? ignoring them and them getting one report doesnt get them banned alot of players wont even bother to report the troll cause they know its pointless and nothing is done about it. honestly if you dont believe me invite me to a ranked game i will troll it and i bet outa the 9 players who can report me in a game maybe 3 will. thats how bad its become most wont even do it of course im going to call for reports on him otherwise no one will and it will just be my lone report that gets 0 chance at getting him punished.

Jubbinaut1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Legendary Uchiha,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=FdZTOnTw,comment-id=00070000,timestamp=2015-08-03T23:31:56.786+0000)

honestly if you dont believe me invite me to a ranked game i will troll it and i bet outa the 9 players who can report me in a game maybe 3 will.

Honestly, it doesn't matter how many people in any particular game report, so long as someone does.

The system builds cases based on reported games, rather than raw reports. This prevents report trolling by 4-man premades. It's also the very reason that calling for reports is considered toxic - it's not necessary and creates very negative situations - or makes negative situations worse.

Liquid Dario1 votes

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Honestly, it doesn't matter how many people in any particular game report, so long as someone does.

The system builds cases based on reported games, rather than raw reports. This prevents report trolling by 4-man premades. It's also the very reason that calling for reports is considered toxic - it's not necessary and creates very negative situations - or makes negative situations worse.

so what your saying is that riot is saying STFU and take it then hope to god hes done it enough to get banned for 2 weeks so he can do it to you again ..... makes sense,

Jubbinaut1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Legendary Uchiha,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=FdZTOnTw,comment-id=0007000000000000,timestamp=2015-08-03T23:49:37.206+0000)

so what your saying is that riot is saying STFU and take it then hope to god hes done it enough to get banned for 2 weeks so he can do it to you again ..... makes sense,

What I'm saying is that Riot has implemented systems to ensure that there's no need to make matters worse by calling for reports. Nothing more. Nothing less.

Please stop misrepresenting my statements and putting words in my mouth. It doesn't help your arguments, and it's quite exhausting.

Liquid Dario1 votes

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What I'm saying is that Riot has implemented systems to ensure that there's no need to make matters worse by calling for reports. Nothing more. Nothing less.

Please stop misrepresenting my statements and putting words in my mouth. It doesn't help your arguments, and it's quite exhausting.

but thats exactly what riot wants isnt it ? your not allowed to open your mouth and actually SPEAK to him because everone has to live the illusion that they are dyrus even the trolls right ? or riot dont get $$ for skins. so your not allowed to tell said person hes doing anything wrong. You just shut up and send in this peice of paper and well decide wether or not we actually want to ban him. then even if we DO ban him 2 weeks from now hell be back in the game doing it to others so really we accomplished nothing anyhow.

Jubbinaut1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Legendary Uchiha,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=FdZTOnTw,comment-id=000700000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-08-04T00:47:08.076+0000)

but thats exactly what riot wants isnt it ? your not allowed to open your mouth and actually SPEAK to him because everone has to live the illusion that they are dyrus even the trolls right ?

You're perfectly welcome to speak to him. You are not, however, allowed to berate, badger, bash, or insult him - in other words, you're not allowed to be toxic towards him.

But if you're capable of communicating in a civil or clinical manner, you're more than welcome to express your displeasure with his actions.

You just shut up and send in this peice of paper and well decide wether or not we actually want to ban him. then even if we DO ban him 2 weeks from now hell be back in the game doing it to others so really we accomplished nothing anyhow.

Perma-bans are a thing. Just for the record.

Liquid Dario1 votes

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You're perfectly welcome to speak to him. You are not, however, allowed to berate, badger, bash, or insult him - in other words, you're not allowed to be toxic towards him.

But if you're capable of communicating in a civil or clinical manner, you're more than welcome to express your displeasure with his actions.

Perma-bans are a thing. Just for the record.

I think you have too much belief in a system that is completely hidden from players giving us 0 idea who is and is not actually being banned or given a suspension etc. We really have no idea of whats goin on we just live in our own little box that riot gives us. Do you ever question anything riot does do they do no wrong in your eyes and this goes to all of us players. Honestly we believe in a system that is clearly flawed as shown with this post yet we just accept that it is so ... we don't ever question riot. I heard like 8 months ago the normal tribunal was coming back wheres that at ? Perma bans RARELY happen and only in extreme cases and i doubt no amount of trolling will cause them to permanently ban a player they want money less players = less money and i can understand that. What they need to do is come up with a way to segregate the community so that trolls can have a taste of their own medicine and get stuck with other ppl who do the same as they do. Until they show REAL reform not 20 games. more like 200 games make them FEEL the pain the other players do make them understand why what they are doing is wrong. Riot is just lame. Like I said when this 2 weeks up if it dont get revoked i will begin trolling players too not like anything is done about it what im gunna get a random 2 week ban once every 6 months ? MAYBE if your lucky ? I am just going to use a smurf and become a part of the problem until riot comes up with a proper solution ill even gate keep why not.

I will test this theory for you about your soo called system and prove to you how false and fake it is and expose the fact that it doesnt ban trolls and doesnt catch trolls nor do they even give a damn... in the end the biggest troll of all is riot themself.

Jubbinaut2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Legendary Uchiha,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=FdZTOnTw,comment-id=00070000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-08-04T01:15:13.644+0000)

I think you have too much belief in a system that is completely hidden from players giving us 0 idea who is and is not actually being banned or given a suspension etc.

It's not that hidden. And they've recently implemented a system designed to let players know when people they've reported receive a sanction (admittedly, it's currently tuned to only send the message to the player who triggers the sanctioned case).

But I've seen the system at work. I have a lot of reason to trust that it's pretty accurate.

Do you ever question anything riot does do they do no wrong in your eyes and this goes to all of us players.

I'm actually very critical of Riot in general, and their PB&J team in particular. I'm simply not as venomous about it as some, nor do I feel the need to smear my opinion all over the community.

I heard like 8 months ago the normal tribunal was coming back wheres that at ?

Still coming. It's way behind the initial schedules, which they've admitted to on varying occasions.

Perma bans RARELY happen and only in extreme cases and i doubt no amount of trolling will cause them to permanently ban a player they want money less players = less money and i can understand that.

Trolls tend to drive players away. So it comes down to deciding whether to ban 1 player, or allow them to drive off 2-50 more. Your own logic demonstrates exactly why Riot prefers to get rid of them.

They've actually been shortening the punishment cycle specifically to get the worst offenders out more quickly. Which is why there are - in general - only 2 forms of ban left (2-week and perma), and why the one is now considered a "last chance" before the other.

Like I said when this 2 weeks up if it dont get revoked i will begin trolling players too not like anything is done about it what im gunna get a random 2 week ban once every 6 months ?

Have fun with that, I guess. I don't see it going well. It also seems like a pretty shitty thing to do - after all, the players you'll be affecting never did anything to you.

I will test this theory for you about your soo called system and prove to you how false and fake it is and expose the fact that it doesnt ban trolls and doesnt catch trolls nor do they even give a damn... in the end the biggest troll of all is riot themself.

You're welcome to this belief. I think it's short-sighted and foolish - very much cutting off your nose to spite your face - but it's certainly your right to try it out. But I don't think I'll bother investing any more empathy your way. Hope you don't mind.

Liquid Dario1 votes

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It's not that hidden. And they've recently implemented a system designed to let players know when people they've reported receive a sanction (admittedly, it's currently tuned to only send the message to the player who triggers the sanctioned case).

But I've seen the system at work. I have a lot of reason to trust that it's pretty accurate.

I'm actually very critical of Riot in general, and their PB&J team in particular. I'm simply not as venomous about it as some, nor do I feel the need to smear my opinion all over the community.

Still coming. It's way behind the initial schedules, which they've admitted to on varying occasions.

Trolls tend to drive players away. So it comes down to deciding whether to ban 1 player, or allow them to drive off 2-50 more. Your own logic demonstrates exactly why Riot prefers to get rid of them.

They've actually been shortening the punishment cycle specifically to get the worst offenders out more quickly. Which is why there are - in general - only 2 forms of ban left (2-week and perma), and why the one is now considered a "last chance" before the other.

Have fun with that, I guess. I don't see it going well. It also seems like a pretty shitty thing to do - after all, the players you'll be affecting never did anything to you.

You're welcome to this belief. I think it's short-sighted and foolish - very much cutting off your nose to spite your face - but it's certainly your right to try it out. But I don't think I'll bother investing any more empathy your way. Hope you don't mind.

I am smearing my opinion, because I'm just plain sick and tired of it. I love this game, I mean I play it alot. Like anyone else, prolly even more than most people tbh. But I am sick of the stigma and the issues I have to deal with in order to play the game I like. Depending on 4 other players to actually want to try and win and work with you to play a game, is like winning the lottery twice in a single day. It is truly a myth that will never happen. Players would rather eat their own crap, then actually work with you to win a game. And that is what ruins this game for me and ruins the fun and takes everything enjoyable away from the game. For 4 years I have put up with these trolls ... I have kinda had enough ... riot says they do stuff but it doesn't stop them never has never will. And you have 0 proof of them punishing said players riot just says ''trust us'' untill I can see solid proof that said players are being banned I am not going to be so gullible and just believe and rely on what riot tells me. As far as my eyes can tell me is that they are lieing becuase I deal with them on a regular basis even to this day. If they were truly doing something about it I think I would be able to visually see the difference in player behavior over my 1000 + games. I haven't seen any difference, or very little if any.

Jubbinaut1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Legendary Uchiha,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=FdZTOnTw,comment-id=0007000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-08-04T02:41:15.649+0000)

I am smearing my opinion, because I'm just plain sick and tired of it.

And that's totally within your rights. I simply indicated that prefer not to. It doesn't do much good, and the feedback is lacking. As such, I prefer to discuss my concerns with Rioters when I can.

Depending on 4 other players to actually want to try and win and work with you to play a game, is like winning the lottery twice in a single day. It is truly a myth that will never happen.

So build a team?

riot says they do stuff but it doesn't stop them never has never will.

That's true. Nothing will. Banning every troll that ever there was won't do anything - they'll make new accounts, or buy them, or just encourage their friends to troll. Removing it all is an impossible dream.

Which doesn't mean we shouldn't try - just that we should be aware that we'll never do better than 99.999%, and that we should recognize the necessity of that.

And you have 0 proof of them punishing said players riot just says ''trust us'' untill I can see solid proof that said players are being banned I am not going to be so gullible and just believe and rely on what riot tells me.

I saw the "Punish" verdicts on the Tribunal cases I voted on. I've seen the complaints about bans. I have more than enough evidence that the system is functioning, and approximately zero evidence to believe otherwise.

As far as my eyes can tell me is that they are lieing becuase I deal with them on a regular basis even to this day.

This is likely due to a combination of Confirmation Bias and Negativity Bias.

Liquid Dario1 votes

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And that's totally within your rights. I simply indicated that prefer not to. It doesn't do much good, and the feedback is lacking. As such, I prefer to discuss my concerns with Rioters when I can.

So build a team?

That's true. Nothing will. Banning every troll that ever there was won't do anything - they'll make new accounts, or buy them, or just encourage their friends to troll. Removing it all is an impossible dream.

Which doesn't mean we shouldn't try - just that we should be aware that we'll never do better than 99.999%, and that we should recognize the necessity of that.

I saw the "Punish" verdicts on the Tribunal cases I voted on. I've seen the complaints about bans. I have more than enough evidence that the system is functioning, and approximately zero evidence to believe otherwise.

This is likely due to a combination of Confirmation Bias and Negativity Bias.

on somethings i agree somethings i disagree with. but I suppose your right trolling will never be dealt with in a serious manner guess I should move on to a bigger and better game somewhere where I dont have to depend on other players and only have to depend on my own skill. I suppose in the end of things riot just doesnt really want my business but doesnt mind getting the business of the trolls. and doesnt mind the negativity that plagues there game. Once Street Fighter 5 comes I will leave this joke of a game and its douchebag players.

Jubbinaut2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Legendary Uchiha,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=FdZTOnTw,comment-id=000700000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-08-04T06:54:59.189+0000)

on somethings i agree somethings i disagree with. but I suppose your right trolling will never be dealt with in a serious manner

That's not even remotely what I said. Simply put, it doesn't matter how seriously trolling is addressed - there will still be trolls. They will still exist, and they will still continue to do what they do. It's inevitable. There will always be jerks around, regardless of the community.

guess I should move on to a bigger and better game somewhere where I dont have to depend on other players and only have to depend on my own skill.

That's a perfectly valid option. Though - fair warning - there will be trolls there. They won't be on your team if it's not a team-based game, but they will nevertheless exist.

I suppose in the end of things riot just doesnt really want my business but doesnt mind getting the business of the trolls.

Riot has nothing against your business. They're perfectly happy with your business. I have no idea why you would think otherwise.

As I have repeatedly stated, Riot works very hard to address trolls - they're constantly working on entirely new ways of addressing them (from new detection methods to more effective punishment systems). They punish what they can catch, and are constantly trying to figure out how to catch more of them faster.

I'm not saying they're perfect - far from it - but to imply that imperfection is somehow equivalent to utter apathy is beyond fallacious.

Once Street Fighter 5 comes I will leave this joke of a game and its douchebag players.

Pot, meet Kettle.

Liquid Dario1 votes

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Read your chat log again ......you are toxic and deserve the ban.

[{quoted}](name=magic pole,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=FdZTOnTw,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2015-08-03T14:34:41.653+0000)

you got what you deserved

and by the looks of it, this isn't the first game you behaved this way

So I am toxic but not the fiddlesticks whos 0-11 who purposely threw my game by purposely laughin in the enemys face welcoming them to kill him ? and costing us the game ? The logic of players .... Also I was explaining why I afked to my team how is that toxic ? if I had just afked instead of saying anything it wouldnt change the fact that we lost because of him,,, I wouldnt be banned sure... but at what point is enough enough ? at what point do you decide players shouldnt be able to troll your game like that and get away with it ?

If he did that same thing to you in ranked while in your promos would you just say yea whatever ggs I had fun ? You and I both know the answer to that.. how about you invite me to your ranked games and let me do what he did every game and see how much fun u really have ?? please let me know when you want to invite me and ill give you my smurfs name and well duo it up man and have some fun!! =]

Again its funny how you judge what was typed but you don't judge the player causing it. It is extremely hypocritical. And like I said now that I know its perfectly ok to be a douchebag just hope you don't see me in your game cause I will just do the same to you. At this point I sent a ticket into support. If it doesn't get removed the rest of my league days I will work hard to make you and others like you think just like me. I will just troll ranked games all day every day, I wont get banned because its perfectly acceptable behavior. So expect to see me in your ranked games soon ! =] and again feel free to let me know if you want to invite me today to duo for ranked =]

Jubbinaut3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Legendary Uchiha,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=FdZTOnTw,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2015-08-03T21:04:29.331+0000)

So I am toxic but not the fiddlesticks whos 0-11 who purposely threw my game by purposely laughin in the enemys face welcoming them to kill him ? and costing us the game ?

This is called a "false dichotomy." You're attempting to create an either/or decision where there isn't one. Because yes, that Fiddlesticks was toxic. And so were you.

It's not acceptable to intentionally feed, grief other players, or troll games. Nor is it acceptable to berate players or insult them.

Liquid Dario1 votes

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This is called a "false dichotomy." You're attempting to create an either/or decision where there isn't one. Because yes, that Fiddlesticks was toxic. And so were you.

It's not acceptable to intentionally feed, grief other players, or troll games. Nor is it acceptable to berate players or insult them.

It is acceptable as hes still playing and I am not its 100% acceptable to inentionally feed he just did it and got away with it.

Jubbinaut3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Legendary Uchiha,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=FdZTOnTw,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2015-08-03T21:24:29.717+0000)

It is acceptable as hes still playing and I am not its 100% acceptable to inentionally feed he just did it and got away with it.

So based on your sample size of one, you're going to make an absolute claim? That seems like a poorly conceived argument.

Riot doesn't approve of feeders. They've always treated it as a punishable behavior - though perhaps a less easily detected one by the systems that have been implemented so far. They're currently preparing to implement a new detection system explicitly for that.

While this particular player may have slipped under the radar of the current systems for any of a dozen reasons, that does not mean that their behavior is considered acceptable. It simply means that they didn't get caught. Yet.

jaymc11301 votes

Look at all the riot fanboys in this thread condoning the act of intentionally trolling the team...

I hope all of you get that fiddle on your team for the next 100 games you play. Let's see how nice you all act about it.

This is bullshit.

Just the same, don't type so damn much Uchiha. Its fine to bitch about it once or twice. All game... not so much.

Jubbinaut1 votes

{quoted}

Look at all the riot fanboys in this thread condoning the act of intentionally trolling the team...

I'm confused. Who, exactly, is condoning the Fiddle's actions?

Liquid Dario1 votes

{quoted}

I'm confused. Who, exactly, is condoning the Fiddle's actions?

riot themselfs are by not banning him thats for sure lol

Liquid Dario1 votes

Ok jubbinaut this time im not gunna quote u but reply to a few of your posts. You continue to say that riot bans these ppl.. but you have 0 proof other than you word you seen one person get banned for trolling ... do you know I've seen over 100 for toxicity ? yet you can only claim 1... Also Riot shows us 0 proof there is no clarity they HIDE everything they arent coming out and showing that this many of this or that was banned. Hell have RIOT come into this thread and TELL us and show us PROOF that they are doing it... you know what they wont .... you know why ... cause there not banning trolls like you think they are they let them run rampant.

Also about you only seeing 2 trolls. #1 your unranked go play ranked and get about 1000-1400 elo and enjoy cause you will see them 9/10 ranked games. he didnt get his position ?? trolled. someone called him a name in champ select ??? trolled. You didnt 100% satisfy all conditions for playing with said player ?? trolled. you steal your adcs cs ? trolled. You haven't the slightest clue on HOW often it actually occours. Because your eighter #1 not in the elo that has to deal with the problem or #2 dont have an elo at all yet cause you haven't completed 10 ranked games.

Also, Wonder why riot hasn't touched this thread yet ?? cause they wanna stay as FAR away from it as possible. In fact out of the 4 years I've been here I haven't had actually contact with a rioter once in a post.

Also, did you know riot had a post on toxicity a while back and discovered while some players deal with toxicity about 10% of all their games some players deal with it over 75% of their games ? perhaps im one of those 75% guys that deal with it all the time... And trust me when I say I'm not the only one.

and when it came to the justifyed comment ? at what point was he justified to troll me and his team ? to start a problem to begin with ? I can go even further into this and bring real life sht into it like for instance. Someone walks down the street and sees you and just punches you in the face cause he felt like it cops show up and arrest HIM. Your at a bar and someone starts a fight with you. Your both thrown out for safety.. you can come back hes banned from the bar forever.

Never anywhere in the history of the world is a person punished for being the victim except here in league where the victim is always punished and the offender is let go to continue to commit his offenses.

Again hes still playing im not. and his last game was like yesterday so it proved that my report did nothing and that he got away with what he did.

Jubbinaut1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Legendary Uchiha,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=FdZTOnTw,comment-id=000c,timestamp=2015-08-05T22:21:23.094+0000)

You continue to say that riot bans these ppl.. but you have 0 proof other than you word you seen one person get banned for trolling ... do you know I've seen over 100 for toxicity ? yet you can only claim 1...

Not only are you taking that out of context, you're also misrepresenting the statement. I said I'd seen one punished troll post about their ban. I didn't say I'd only ever seen one person banned for trolling. I actually voted to punish a number of trolls when I was taking part in the Tribunal. Which I also said before.

Also Riot shows us 0 proof there is no clarity they HIDE everything they arent coming out and showing that this many of this or that was banned.

Simply because they aren't breaking down their data enough for you doesn't mean they're hiding something. That's a massive assumption to make.

Hell have RIOT come into this thread and TELL us and show us PROOF that they are doing it... you know what they wont .... you know why ... cause there not banning trolls like you think they are they let them run rampant.

They might. They probably won't. I wouldn't, if I was them, because it's not worth the time and effort arguing with people about it, when they could just be doing it.

Also about you only seeing 2 trolls. #1 your unranked go play ranked and get about 1000-1400 elo and enjoy cause you will see them 9/10 ranked games. he didnt get his position ?? trolled. someone called him a name in champ select ??? trolled. You didnt 100% satisfy all conditions for playing with said player ?? trolled. you steal your adcs cs ? trolled. You haven't the slightest clue on HOW often it actually occours. Because your eighter #1 not in the elo that has to deal with the problem or #2 dont have an elo at all yet cause you haven't completed 10 ranked games.

Everyone has an MMR, Ranked or not - in fact, they have multiple MMRs, one for each game type they play. But look, if you're going to dismiss my experiences as being abnormal - and I'm willing to admit they may be - you must also recognize that yours are just as likely to be abnormal. And that's okay. We can be outliers together.

Also, did you know riot had a post on toxicity a while back and discovered while some players deal with toxicity about 10% of all their games some players deal with it over 75% of their games ? perhaps im one of those 75% guys that deal with it all the time... And trust me when I say I'm not the only one.

Did you know that they also mentioned that nearly all of the players who deal with large amounts of toxicity are also toxic? Did you catch the correlation there? Toxic players deal with more toxicity in their games.

and when it came to the justifyed comment ? at what point was he justified to troll me and his team ? to start a problem to begin with ?

I never said he was. Because he's not. But that's irrelevant to the question - how do his actions justify yours?

Never anywhere in the history of the world is a person punished for being the victim except here in league where the victim is always punished and the offender is let go to continue to commit his offenses.

You aren't punished for being a victim. You aren't punished for being trolled. You aren't punished for being raged at.

You are punished for the actions you take in response to those things.

Again hes still playing im not. and his last game was like yesterday so it proved that my report did nothing and that he got away with what he did.

It proves nothing more than that he got away with it so far.

Although, honestly? Having looked over his match history? I'm not real sure I buy that he's a troll in the first place.

Liquid Dario1 votes

Here's what we're not working on

We always have to make tough decisions when it comes to picking features that players (including us!) want and expect. Below are a couple of your big asks that we’ve put to the side – and why:

Replays (for now)

Well, this one was our bad. Not only did we promise replays at the launch of League of Legends because we thought it was needed to get esports off the ground (maybe not), but by showing them on the PBE we set the expectation that they’d be on the way Soon™. We backed off replays because the technical demands (server loads, backward compatibility, network stability) were so high that we knew it would be hard to do them ‘right.’ These days we also know that with our above priorities, replays just can’t be a consideration until we clean up a lot of those systems. In the meantime, we're huge fans of the alternatives that the passionate community of developers outside of Riot have created, and we're looking into ways to highlight (and support) those good folks.

LMFAO I just mentioned that this was soo necessary a few days ago here and this is what I see. What a joke... By the time we actually have replays no one will even care anymore.. This game has been around long enough that this should have been included years ago ... better yet still nothing on that tribunal not even mentioned in the post at all. So im guessing not till at least the 2016 season for the tribunal.. GGs riot lmao.

Riot is by FAR the worst company to create content that is actually necessary tribunal , replays , etc they are starting to remind me alot of EA.... the worst gaming company in the world for the past 3 years running. Sad.

Basically riot is saying "we don't want to make modes that are necessary and free and take time from us making money and skins to make money... we made plushy dolls there 49.99$ feel free to give us your money!!"

EndlessSorcerer1 votes

Assuming that this chat log is any indication of your typical behaviour, this ban was well deserved (especially if you don't actually see what's wrong with your behaviour).

Keep up the good work, Riot.

Liquid Dario1 votes

{quoted}

Assuming that this chat log is any indication of your typical behaviour, this ban was well deserved (especially if you don't actually see what's wrong with your behaviour).

Keep up the good work, Riot.

same to you please invite me and ill do the same to you for 4-5 games and well see if you say the same thing ... ranked duo pls.

EndlessSorcerer1 votes
  1. There is a mute button. I don't have to hear you say anything if I don't want to.
  2. Why would I knowingly subject myself to playing with a known toxic player?
  3. It only took about 50 games to reach Gold 4 from unranked. Not exactly hard to carry games in Silver considering how easy it is to get fed off of bad players.
Liquid Dario1 votes

{quoted}

  1. There is a mute button. I don't have to hear you say anything if I don't want to.
  2. Why would I knowingly subject myself to playing with a known toxic player?

exactly you say all this crap but you wont deal with it yourself. You cant mute someone that is feeding there isnt a NO FEED button that stops him from being 0-11 i did mute him and was discussing the issue with my team and the enemy team whos bot lane even supported me in my claims. This is a problem with riots chat logs only showing your chat instead of all the chat.

Jubbinaut1 votes

Except he wasn't 0/11, was he? He was 0/7/7. Meanwhile, you were 0/4/0.

Here's a funny statistic from the op.gg link you provided:

Over his last 20 games, he has the following stats:

Average KDA: 3.5/4.3/7.4 Kill Participation: 41% Calculated KDA: 2.52 to 1

Over your last 20 games, you have the following stats:

Average KDA: 6.2/7.7/8.6 Kill Participation: 46% Calculated KDA: 1.93 to 1

What's particularly interesting to me about all that (and there's a lot I find interesting) is that your average deaths per game is higher than his deaths in the game he played with you.

Liquid Dario1 votes

{quoted}

Except he wasn't 0/11, was he? He was 0/7/7. Meanwhile, you were 0/4/0.

Here's a funny statistic from the op.gg link you provided:

Over his last 20 games, he has the following stats:

Average KDA: 3.5/4.3/7.4 Kill Participation: 41% Calculated KDA: 2.52 to 1

Over your last 20 games, you have the following stats:

Average KDA: 6.2/7.7/8.6 Kill Participation: 46% Calculated KDA: 1.93 to 1

What's particularly interesting to me about all that (and there's a lot I find interesting) is that your average deaths per game is higher than his deaths in the game he played with you.

I am a jungler that is to be expected. though I could say I could improve upon it im also silver 1 compared to his non existant rank if that helps. and have played many ranked games to his 1 at the time ...

Jubbinaut1 votes

I disagree that low KDA ratio should be expected of a jungler. I think it's reasonable to expect/desire a decent-to-good KDA ratio of each player on your team, regardless of role.

I also don't know how the number of Ranked games matters, since op.gg looks at all matchmade pvp games - Ranked, normal, and other.

I'm not trying to imply that he's a better player. I just think it's interesting.

Liquid Dario1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Legendary Uchiha,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=FdZTOnTw,comment-id=000f0000,timestamp=2015-08-05T23:07:48.974+0000)

same to you please invite me and ill do the same to you for 4-5 games and well see if you say the same thing ... ranked duo pls. Let me tank your elo back down to silver 1 then you can enjoy wasting your time getting yourself back up to gold 4 :D cause you know thats what you want to do right ?

Pretty Dhizi1 votes

You lowered yourself to his level. Became toxic. Should've just asked the enemy team and your team to report him for trolling, and stopped making a scene past that. You took the immature route and kept complaining/whining.

Liquid Dario1 votes

{quoted}

You lowered yourself to his level. Became toxic. Should've just asked the enemy team and your team to report him for trolling, and stopped making a scene past that. You took the immature route and kept complaining/whining.

When you deal with it on a daily basis and know that riot allows it yea im going to keep complaining .... and I will continue to do so until they change.

Pretty Dhizi1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Legendary Uchiha,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=FdZTOnTw,comment-id=00100000,timestamp=2015-08-05T23:21:37.676+0000)

When you deal with it on a daily basis and know that riot allows it yea im going to keep complaining .... and I will continue to do so until they change.

Everyone deals with toxicity. The players who can play on without becoming frustrated/distracted/aggravated are the players who prosper. Mute the individual, work with your team, and move on. It's the only choice you have unless you enjoy giving the player what they want -- to see you irritated.

Liquid Dario1 votes

{quoted}

Everyone deals with toxicity. The players who can play on without becoming frustrated/distracted/aggravated are the players who prosper. Mute the individual, work with your team, and move on. It's the only choice you have unless you enjoy giving the player what they want -- to see you irritated.

Again and thats the problem. That should not be your only option is to DEAL WITH IT. That is RIOTS problem and is what riot should be dealing with more seriously.

Again you cannot mute a troll he doesn't use words to get to you he uses actions and you cannot mute their actions.

Pretty Dhizi1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Legendary Uchiha,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=FdZTOnTw,comment-id=0010000000000000,timestamp=2015-08-05T23:42:41.990+0000)

Again and thats the problem. That should not be your only option is to DEAL WITH IT. That is RIOTS problem and is what riot should be dealing with more seriously.

Again you cannot mute a troll he doesn't use words to get to you he uses actions and you cannot mute their actions.

Pretty easy to ignore his actions. Just leave the lane and assist another lane and try to get early pressure on a tower so you can group early and overcome the immature brat at bottom lane that tormented you. If he wants to troll, let em'. A loss is a loss, it happens.

Toxicity is present in EVERY, game. It's something ALL players have to deal with, and it is NOT preventable by the company because it's something that comes in many forms. You just have to be the more mature individual and get over it.

Liquid Dario1 votes

The reason why I am asking you to invite me is because I know you wont want to deal with it that is EXACTLY my point NEIGHTER SHOULD I NOR SHOULD I HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT. Yet you come in here and run your mouth about it saying I deserved to be banned for getting mad at him.. THEN PROVE ME WRONG ??? come invite me I will ruin several of your games and ruin your rank and see how happy you are ??? Prove to me that what I did was wrong and that I should be punished not him ??? Ya that's what I thought

SmokedAlmonds1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Legendary Uchiha,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=FdZTOnTw,comment-id=0011,timestamp=2015-08-05T23:19:05.817+0000)

The reason why I am asking you to invite me is because I know you wont want to deal with it that is EXACTLY my point NEIGHTER SHOULD I NOR SHOULD I HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT. Yet you come in here and run your mouth about it saying I deserved to be banned for getting mad at him.. THEN PROVE ME WRONG ??? come invite me I will ruin several of your games and ruin your rank and see how happy you are ??? Prove to me that what I did was wrong and that I should be punished not him ??? Ya that's what I thought

No one wants to or should have to deal with it. But bitching at trolls is not going to stop them either. So at best you accomplish nothing. At worst you give the trolls exactly what he wanted and/or drag the rest of your team down even further.

Liquid Dario1 votes

{quoted}

No one wants to or should have to deal with it. But bitching at trolls is not going to stop them either. So at best you accomplish nothing. At worst you give the trolls exactly what he wanted.

and dont you think that me accomplishing nothing is an issue ? ask yourself that.. bitching dont stop them reporting them dont stop them what does stop them ??? nothing because riot does nothing to stop them ... this is my point exactly and the problem exactly..... trolls shouldnt exist in this game and they should be banned and hunted down just like the toxic players. But they are not and that's the problem. I was hunted down for this instance in about 5 seconds litterally I didn't even get to leave the match result screen before I got banned. The Ban and E-mail was litterally instantaneous . Why aren't trolls hunted down like this ?? therein lies the problem

SmokedAlmonds1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Legendary Uchiha,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=FdZTOnTw,comment-id=001100000000,timestamp=2015-08-05T23:27:19.998+0000)

and dont you think that me accomplishing nothing is an issue ? ask yourself that.. bitching dont stop them reporting them dont stop them what does stop them ??? nothing because riot does nothing to stop them ... this is my point exactly and the problem exactly..... trolls shouldnt exist in this game and they should be banned and hunted down just like the toxic players. But they are not and that's the problem. I was hunted down for this instance in about 5 seconds litterally I didn't even get to leave the match result screen before I got banned. The Ban and E-mail was litterally instantaneous . Why aren't trolls hunted down like this ?? therein lies the problem

I do think riot should do more about trolls but that doesn't change that you only made the situation worse. Your team already had to deal with a troll and you just made them have to deal with yourself too. And you fed the troll, giving him exactly what he wanted. If you feed a stray cat, it will come back.

Nameless Voice1 votes

Look, if a guy is trolling you are entitled to complain about him trolling. You can say things like "Why are you trolling?" or "please don't troll" or even "I hope you get banned for trolling like this.". Yeah, that's not "ideal" behaviour, but it's acceptable.

What you can't do is outright insult everyone on your team. So maybe your Fiddle was a troll. If he was an actual troll, why were you flaming him for being bad? A troll isn't someone who plays bad, a troll is someone who intentionally throws games, and flaming people for playing badly isn't acceptable anyway. You keep bringing up something stupid he did at 30 seconds into the game, and harping on about it for the entire game. You flame and blame him non-stop and wonder why he isn't being helpful to you?

You also demand reports on Riven for no particular reason.

Just because someone else is toxic doesn't give you the right to spread toxicity throughout the game, three other people in the game still have to read all that stuff.

Liquid Dario1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Nameless Voice,realm=EUW,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=FdZTOnTw,comment-id=0012,timestamp=2015-08-06T00:55:00.336+0000)

Look, if a guy is trolling you are entitled to complain about him trolling. You can say things like "Why are you trolling?" or "please don't troll" or even "I hope you get banned for trolling like this.". Yeah, that's not "ideal" behaviour, but it's acceptable.

What you can't do is outright insult everyone on your team. So maybe your Fiddle was a troll. If he was an actual troll, why were you flaming him for being bad? A troll isn't someone who plays bad, a troll is someone who intentionally throws games, and flaming people for playing badly isn't acceptable anyway. You keep bringing up something stupid he did at 30 seconds into the game, and harping on about it for the entire game. You flame and blame him non-stop and wonder why he isn't being helpful to you?

You also demand reports on Riven for no particular reason.

Just because someone else is toxic doesn't give you the right to spread toxicity throughout the game, three other people in the game still have to read all that stuff.

I called for a report on riven because she was defending the fiddles behavior again there isnt enough CONTEXT because you dont get to see the whole story your not seeing what every player typed your not getting to see the enemy corki state yea fiddles was trolling and laughing and allowing me to kill him over and over. or the riven saying hes not trolling look at him fuck you blah blah being perhaps even more toxic than i was during that game. all you see is my chat that is another problem in an of itself.

Liquid Dario1 votes

But I get you alls point tho I really do, just ignore him riot isnt going to do anything about it so just ignore it just take your loss and every loss you ever recieve due to them and understand hes not going to be punished for it. The bottom line is they don't get punished they REALLY don't. After everything we have said the general consensus among this group of players is

" ignore trolls / they don't get banned / you have no choice but to deal with it / ignore him and get reported for entering someone else's lane cause that's what they will do when u do that."

So ya guess that's what I will need to do I will await my 2 weeks and just simply stop playing normals anymore. and just stick to ranked where I do not seem to have such an issue. I guess normals should be littered with trolls that's what we the community and riot wants at the end of the day if riot wanted something done about it they could do it. But I guess I have to face the fact they wont.

Thanks for all the responses guys ! I will await my 2 weeks to be up and just move on "justice wont be served around here" So I will just play ranked on my main and troll on my smurf maybe I'll make a youtube channel of it or something make some $$ off the stupidity lol I wouldn't doubt that a few already exist. May the trolls be with you and hopefully one day you get trolls as much as I do. Enjoy.

Jubbinaut1 votes

The Confirmation Bias is real.

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