Let's Dicuss this Game (Team Oriented)

pcfmYiJC8R·3/30/2015, 10:17:32 AM·2 votes·1,452 views

So as long as I played this game all I hear is this is a team oriented game. Yet when you hear about Bronze, Silver, Gold & even Plat all you hear about from streamers and pros and youtube videos is about having to "Carry" yourself out of these ranks.

That's an oxymoron, how can it be a team oriented game if your mentality in these games is you have to carry your team to get out of elo hell? team oriented means your team puts in as much work as you do. That means warding, ganking, pushing lanes, map awareness, not feeding, focusing objectives etc.. When you are the only one focusing objectives, warding, not feeding and basically doing everything your team is not, it isn't a team oriented game anymore it is a one man show and you are using your team mates as decoys & meat shields while you are winning the game for them.

Yet what I find hilariously funny is you are not suppose to be toxic or blame them for their mistake. League of legends community and Riot's logic is that if you are carrying and your team is feeding you are suppose to blame yourself for not carryng harder, where as if you are getting carried you are suppose to blame yourself for not doing better.

The people who never get blamed or aren't suppose to get blamed are the people who refuse to ward even if they have a free one at their disposal... Like the support for instance. Who decides that they are going to build full Ap and a sightstone isn't worth 800gold because they want to rush hour glass. Meanwhile your bot is getting ganked left and right because you have no vision .. but hey let's not blame support it's my fault even though i'm top right?

How about when you are jungle and you ping bot you are coming to gank because the enemy team is pushing and over extended. You go in for the gank and your bot lane decides farming minions while your fighting a 1 vs 2 is more important? My fault right? Can't blame bot or even ask them wtf they are doing or why they didn't help because what happens? Bot calls you a noob and makes excuses why they didn't help you.

What about when their jungle is camping top and they are constantly pushing your lane and your turret is slowly going down while your jungle never leaves jungle or is constantly camping bot who is already fed 10 kills in 10 minutes? My fault right?

How about when you lose a game in ranked because every lane is feeding, not warding, not building right and you are the only one on the team who can kill anyone but that doesn't matter when their team is constantly chasing you around the map and your team isn't pushing turrets and objectives during that time? My fault right?

Client Crashes, Riot Servers are lagging, You get afks, don't blame Riot or the afkers blame yourself right?

I'm sorry but for a team oriented game where for the majority of lower elo ranks this is not a team oriented game. It is a hope to God you are good enough to carry the 4 r%%%%%s on your team. Then if you lose blame yourself because blaming anyone else makes you a toxic person and a salty player even though in reality that is exactly why you lost.

I'm not saying don't take responsibility for your own screw ups, learning for your mistakes makes you a better player but this logic from the league community and Riot that you have to blame yourself for every loss and not blame your team mates is not only not logical but straight up stupid.

This is why people become toxic because you are completely helpless in this game against trolls. You have to sit in a game for 20+ minutes knowing that no matter how good you do, you are going to lose because you get someone with the summoner name "topmidfeed" and gets neither top nor mid and decides to run lane to lane feeding while telling the enemy team in all chat where you are in jungle or where you are headed. Can't dodge that game either because you lose lp + time penalty for doing so and it gets bigger the more you dodge.. and let's face it in bronze/silver you are bond to get more trolls on your team then not on your team.

Yet what is Riot doing about this? Nothing.. People are coming up with great ideas to combat these issues and yet Riot listens to the trolls who say "oh no, we can't do this or that it will be abused". My question is how do you know? Are you saying because your assumptions are that something might be abused we should continue to have to put up with this?

Perfect Examples of what I mean.

  1. Vote to kick- Makes sense right? In champ select instead of punishing the player who wants to win by giving them a time penality and Lp loss why not punish the troll by giving your team the option to kick him? Quit punishing people for doing what is right by dodging and punish the trolls.

  2. Team Builder- Why is this not an option for ranked? Majority of people who troll are people who didn't get the position they want hence therefore you have to sit through a whole game of someone trolling because they didn't get the role they wanted?

Reason people say this wouldn't be a good idea is longer que times... We'll i'd rather wait 5 minutes to get a team who has no trolls then waste 20+ minutes in a game because some dick head didn't get his way.,, You can add a new screen where you can see both teams picks so you can still counter pick and still make it pick order while also adding in the option to ban champions. Ya, make take some time to code this option but in the long run you would be fixing an almost 5 year problem.

  1. Option to ff early, 20 minutes + the time it took in champ select seems like a long waste of time to have to play when you have 2 afks or your bot has fed 10 kills in 10 minutes and you know you are gonna lose. This idea has been brought up over and over and yet nothing.

I could list a ton more Ideas that should be taken up for consideration and at least tested on PBE yet nothing has happened in 5 years. Riots idea to fix the problem is Punish,Punish,Punish.. meanwhile the problem is still there.

Boggles my mind that a game that is so popular and big is refusing to fix issues that people have been complaining about for almost 5 years and yet a game like Dota which has been out less time has fixed a majority of the problems Riot has had. Riot spends more time making skins and Champions to get even richer and nerfing and buffing champions for LCS game play and yet ignores all the big problems that affects millions of players.

Anyways you can agree or disagree but I make valid points that should be addressed. You can call me salty or mad all you want and you are allowed your own opinions, but for someone who was permanently suspended supposedly for modding the client (zoom hack) which was a file my friend sent me along with some other files for customs skins that i didn't even know I had till it was too late , I still seem to give a damn about this game and the direction it's headed even though I lost a year invested in this game and probably close to 800$ because Riot decided to instead of let me know what i was doing wrong, decided to send me cookie cutter copy & paste emails with no information on what I was doing until the final suspension that was to late.. I debated on saying fuck this game and moving on and taking my money else where but a majority of my friends play this game and I still enjoy it. What I hate is the flaws that are being ignored, the community who is against fixing these flaws and the logic of Riot that instead of fixing the problem it's easier to hand out automated punishment in the masses.

I'm also upset at how Riot seems to not care about it's player base. These cookie cutter emails that gives you no information seems like a lack of respect for players. Hell you can't even call riot and explain anything or talk to a real person.. Which imo is un acceptable for a game this big. You look at a Company who deals will millions of players between different gaming platforms has a call help center and yet Riot doesn't even have enough respect for it's player base to give a detailed email on what you did or are doing wrong... everything is basically automated.

Ip weekend? What happened to that? Used to happen every weekend or every other weekend and they took that away...

Let's work together and start uniting and get these flaws fixed, Riot isn't going to do anything unless enough of us stand up and say "Hey, we invest a ton of time and money in this game and we want these flaws fixed after years of playing".

9 Comments

disregardable3/30/2015, 10:28:24 AM1 votes

I make valid points that should be addressed

Where? All I see is angry troll ranting.

Ada Wong3/30/2015, 10:45:27 AM1 votes

I agree playing Solo Q Feels like playing Call OF Duty I think we need the Nuclear Strike option in league when I play because league feels like a solo game all around not a team game when you get games of just absolutely no communication in champion select, instant bans, and toxicity that starts before the game starts, but the only choice is to take a 30+ minute penalty after first dodge, or play the game and lose because of players like this.

Even in games some of them I got where players were less toxic they still just refused to listen and lost game I know I could have personally done better if I didn't get countered, but still going 1v1 without feeding, then having an entire team who doesn't even take any (CC) or even listen and build any items to counter Galio CC meanwhile they rage in chat about how much I suck when neither of us got a kill off during lane phase.

Bottom line a lot of players just don't care I get two players juts don't care in the low Elo, we at least need a "Vote Disband" or something so no one takes penalty with toxic players where 3 out of 5 players have to agree I wouldn't mind waiting 10 minutes trying to find a good game of team members if the game was actually going to be team based.

Dangerous Man3/30/2015, 4:56:39 PM1 votes

They tell you to Carry because they assume you're soloing because most people do. Sorry I only read the first paragraph until I realized this is a gigantic post.

GaleWinUnleashed3/30/2015, 5:02:03 PM1 votes

Quick heads up, Ranked Team Builder has been in the works for a while already. We'll be able to pick roles, including a "Fill" role, and get matched up with other players to form a team. Then the team gets dropped into a perfectly normal Draft Pick champ select, except they don't have to worry about eating up the timer arguing over roles.

Kazaashi3/30/2015, 5:48:33 PM1 votes

To "Carry" doesn't mean that you 1v5 the enemy team. To "Carry" doesn't mean soaking up all the kills and dealing all the dmg. To "Carry" isn't about singlehandedly winning the game for your team.

Carrying is about doing whatever is necessary to achieve victory. Ganking/roaming for your teammates, taking charge when appropriate, not giving your laner 5 kills before teamfights, ensuring you get a ton of CS while in lane, WARDING, WARDING, and MORE WARDING.