Is your MMR boosting detection procedure/system severely flawed or are people just sharing their accounts and not realizing it's against the rules? I'm growing increasingly skeptical that it's as accurate as it should be.
Sarutobi12 votesHonestly I wouldn't be too surprised if it's just people sharing their accounts. It's against the rules and yet people do it because they think oh it's my friend it doesn't matter.
Craig10 votesThey need to be more clear then. Account sharing and MMR boosting are two different things. Their support documents state that playing from different locations is perfectly fine. How can they prove who is you and who is someone else? Why should someone have seasonal rewards removed for something that was never punishable by removing seasonal rewards? Why should someone be banned for playing from a friend's house? Why do they punish players who play in games with players who were previously banned for MMR boosting?
Jamaree3 votesThey need to be more clear then. Account sharing and MMR boosting are two different things. Their support documents state that playing from different locations is perfectly fine. How can they prove who is you and who is someone else? Why should someone have seasonal rewards removed for something that was never punishable by removing seasonal rewards? Why should someone be banned for playing from a friend's house? Why do they punish players who play in games with players who were previously banned for MMR boosting?
You don't get banned from playing from a friend's house, though, did you play on your friend's account?
Deep Terror Nami20 votesThey don't just use your location to determine if you're boosting. They use a combination of many things, such as your play style and chat logs in addition to location changes.
The problem isn't what they use to determine boosting, it's whether it is done accurately or not.
And also no, they don't need to somehow be more clear. Account sharing is not allowed in any context and is made clear in the ToU.
Red Ryu2 votes[{quoted}](name=Deep Terror Nami,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=ETE1bMmo,comment-id=000100000001,timestamp=2015-09-29T20:08:27.663+0000)
They don't just use your location to determine if you're boosting. They use a combination of many things, such as your play style and chat logs in addition to location changes.
The problem isn't what they use to determine boosting, it's whether it is done accurately or not.
And also no, they don't need to somehow be more clear. Account sharing is not allowed in any context and is made clear in the ToU.
This post nailed it very well.
LCS DoubleVision2 votes[{quoted}](name=Deep Terror Nami,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=ETE1bMmo,comment-id=000100000001,timestamp=2015-09-29T20:08:27.663+0000)
They don't just use your location to determine if you're boosting. They use a combination of many things, such as your play style and chat logs in addition to location changes.
The problem isn't what they use to determine boosting, it's whether it is done accurately or not.
And also no, they don't need to somehow be more clear. Account sharing is not allowed in any context and is made clear in the ToU.
That's a load up shit, there is no system in the world that can look at a players play style and tell the difference rather he is him or not.. Maybe by win streaks but not play style.. stop making shit up.
SmokedAlmonds2 votes[{quoted}](name=LCS DoubleVision,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=ETE1bMmo,comment-id=0001000000010001,timestamp=2015-09-30T10:23:23.251+0000)
That's a load up shit, there is no system in the world that can look at a players play style and tell the difference rather he is him or not.. Maybe by win streaks but not play style.. stop making shit up.
https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/204168430-MMR-Boosting-Detection
We start with a deep knowledge of each individual's play style and performance history.
LCS DoubleVision3 voteshttps://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/204168430-MMR-Boosting-Detection
I don't care what they say they are full of shit.. Wouldn't be the first time Riot got called our for lying or giving our misinformation.
IcyPepper1 votesI don't care what they say they are full of shit..
They have access to data, you don't on every player.
How would you know?
RogueWill1 votesThe thing that they use the most is your champions thou... If you use a champion, that you have no record of using before, and suddenly stomp your lane consistently it raises a lot of red flags.
Sarutobi3 votesThey need to be more clear then. Account sharing and MMR boosting are two different things. Their support documents state that playing from different locations is perfectly fine. How can they prove who is you and who is someone else? Why should someone have seasonal rewards removed for something that was never punishable by removing seasonal rewards? Why should someone be banned for playing from a friend's house? Why do they punish players who play in games with players who were previously banned for MMR boosting?
How more clearer can they get. The general rule is just don't play on anyone else accounts from your own. And if you make a new account to play with friends, don't just jump to rank with someone who is obviously of a lower rank just to stomp on the enemy.
RyzeRework1 votesyeah but thats not against the rules you can have smurfs hell every pro player has many smurfs that arent baned even when duoing with noobs
Sarutobi3 votes[{quoted}](name=Noximacia God,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=ETE1bMmo,comment-id=0001000000020000,timestamp=2015-09-29T23:43:20.968+0000)
yeah but thats not against the rules you can have smurfs hell every pro player has many smurfs that arent baned even when duoing with noobs
Smurfin isn't, but if you are making a new account just to boost yourself or friends by playing against people far below your league, that's the basic example of boosting.
The Soulforged1 votesIt actually isn't.
LaceUp232 votesActually, you're wrong. There is nothing against the rules of creating a smurf and duoing with friends, regardless of how good you are.
Sarutobi3 votesActually, you're wrong. There is nothing against the rules of creating a smurf and duoing with friends, regardless of how good you are.
I never smurfig is against the rules. It's smurfig with the intent of boosting someone else. Like if you are gold/plat and you help a friend in bronze by making a new account. It will show especially when you are only duoing with one other person.
LaceUp232 votesAnd again, you're wrong. There is nothing against the rules in that situation.
Sarutobi3 votesAnd again, you're wrong. There is nothing against the rules in that situation.
And yet that's their definition of boosting. You can duo with friends as you'll more than likely on the same side rank wise. But intentionally making an account to help a friend rank up is in fact mmr boosting and against the rules!
LaceUp232 votesActually it isn't. Please link where you are finding this information, because it's false.
Aloexx Ratfoot4 votesWhile smurfing in itself is not something we would ban for, it would take some work of intentionally losing games for a diamond player to get their smurf into Bronze. We have different punishments for instances where a high level player intentionally loses games on their smurf account to be placed in a lower division for whatever reason (Bronze to Challenger runs, helping low ranking friends by stomping in games as a higher ranking player, etc)
Account trading is never allowed for any reason. Trading accounts or allowing others to play on your account falls into Account Sharing, and the moment they step into a ranked game you're looking at a MMR Boosting punishment. While this may sound like a good idea to get around being punished for MMR Boosting, it will not work.
According to riot you are wrong lace...
Doc Robot1 votesActually it isn't. Please link where you are finding this information, because it's false.
Why would you want links to something that is, at least to me, self-evident?
if a high ranked player makes a smurf acct for the purposes of playing ranked with a lower rated friend, is this not literally an example of boosting? It sure sounds like it to me, and I'd be surprised if Riot didn't think this was the case as well.
Boosting is boosting. Doesn't matter if it's some stranger from parts unknown that you're paying money to, or a close friend that's duo'ed with you on a smurf acct.
Baron Von Bangin2 votesBoosting is when a high level player logs onto someone else's account (usually of a lower rank) and plays for them. Not with them. Yeesh.
Doc Robot1 votes[{quoted}](name=Baron Von Bangin,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=ETE1bMmo,comment-id=000100000002000000000001000000000000000000010000,timestamp=2015-10-01T05:12:45.353+0000)
Boosting is when a high level player logs onto someone else's account (usually of a lower rank) and plays for them. Not with them. Yeesh.
Really? Says who, exactly? I think intent plays a big part in this.
AJStarhiker1 votes[{quoted}](name=Doc Robot,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=ETE1bMmo,comment-id=0001000000020000000000010000000000000000000100000000,timestamp=2015-10-01T10:42:13.170+0000)
Really? Says who, exactly? I think intent plays a big part in this.
If you have a high level player and a low level player duoing to raise the low level player's mmr, that's carrying and fine because each player is using their own account. The low level is still playing their own games and might even come out with an improvement in skill. They might drop in MMR after getting carried, but maybe not as far as where they started.
Doc Robot1 votesIf you have a high level player and a low level player duoing to raise the low level player's mmr, that's carrying and fine because each player is using their own account. The low level is still playing their own games and might even come out with an improvement in skill. They might drop in MMR after getting carried, but maybe not as far as where they started.
Why is it boosting if it's one acct, but not if it's two people with separate accts? In either case, a player is getting artificially carried beyond their actual rank. Isn't this is the very definition of boosting?
AJStarhiker1 votes[{quoted}](name=Doc Robot,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=ETE1bMmo,comment-id=00010000000200000000000100000000000000000001000000000001,timestamp=2015-10-02T04:10:11.058+0000)
Why is it boosting if it's one acct, but not if it's two people with separate accts? In either case, a player is getting artificially carried beyond their actual rank. Isn't this is the very definition of boosting?
His MMR might rise higher than by playing solo, but he's still putting in the time and effort himself. That's why duoing to get carried isn't considered the same as boosting.
SmokedAlmonds1 votes[{quoted}](name=Doc Robot,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=ETE1bMmo,comment-id=00010000000200000000000100000000000000000001000000000001,timestamp=2015-10-02T04:10:11.058+0000)
Why is it boosting if it's one acct, but not if it's two people with separate accts? In either case, a player is getting artificially carried beyond their actual rank. Isn't this is the very definition of boosting?
I think its mostly because there is no real way to differentiate between someone boosting a duo partner and someone playing with a friend. Limiting who you can queue with by rank addressed some of this.
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SmokedAlmonds2 voteso.o I let my cousin play on my acc sometimes but he doesn't play ranked (only normals) I'm assuming this is fine right LOL family anyways and I usually sit next to him to watch him play too
It is considered account sharing and absolutely can lead to punishments if you get caught.
OhBoyItsaMegaman12 votesI'm growing increasingly skeptical that it's as accurate as it should be.
I believe that's the intention of the thread creators (assuming that they're guilty). Create uncertainty in the community so that there's at least a slim possibility that Riot will feel pressured to reverse some of the bans.
Apex Citavista6 votesThat youtuber Dunkey did the same thing. He got caught too. Giving out a TON of false info, even making a full video about it with like 75% wrong information to make himself seem right. And that Riot had it out for him. But like I said, he got caught. And it's possible that this is a bunch of his followers doing the same thing to try and make people dislike Riot.
Jamaree5 votesshrug Who knows, could be a flawed system, could be people lying and trying to hide the fact.
That Murphys Law2 votesAll I know is false convictions are very common in legal systems, and this detection program that apparently analyzes on a case by case basis for evidence against an individual gives a blanket copy paste for why an individual is banned.
Jamaree3 votes[{quoted}](name=That Murphys Law,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=ETE1bMmo,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2015-09-29T21:47:44.823+0000)
All I know is false convictions are very common in legal systems
As do people who are guilty pleading innocence and lying.
xFrostKnightx4 votesRiots doing their annual ban waves, it's expected for people to complain thinking they got away.
They boost then wait in panic for 2 weeks then feel like they got scot free. Get banned months later, confused because they didn't boost "Recently".
TeemoJenkins2 votesI play at home, at my gf's house, tethered on my cell phone, at a cafe, and at a buddies house... Haven't been banned yet that I'm aware of... but I'm a lowly silver... who'd want to ban me?
Verxint2 votesI always figured the "account sharing is against the rules" is just a stopgap so if you give someone your password, they take your acct, you can't go to Rito asking for it back.
Matthias91192 votesYou're seeing "more and more" of them because Riot apparently just did a whole bunch of bans for boosting all at once. Pretty sure they did the exact same thing at the end of S4 as well.
Every time Riot does a "ban wave" you get a bunch of people posting about their bans on the forums/Reddit. It doesn't necessarily mean they were inaccurate, just that they did more bans than usual that day or week.
Silents4292 votesGo look at that 180 voted thread about it, Riot already pointed out the guy was in fact guilty and lying.
I doubt the system is perfect, but it's a lot more accurate then it's being made out to be.
Deep Terror Nami2 votesI looked at it, but the Riot replies I saw (by Cluvie I think) said his boosting was done earlier in the season. While I'm more inclined to believe Riot, there's no proof for us on either side. This thread is an honest question rather than an accusation. I get antsy when I hear people are getting banned out of nowhere, as if it may happen to me (though I never do anything against the ToU).
Silents4292 votesThis has been commonplace for years now where people complain they shouldn't have gotten banned and the system is faulty, on every occasion a Red comments (most) the player turns out to be a big ass liar, and no surprise they never respond back on the forum after getting called out.
Same situation as now, genuinely guilty people trying to see if they can get out of bans by following a recent hate bandwagon.
As stated many times, they can't go into exact details on how the system catches people for obvious reasons. Just remember the next time you read that up voted thread about the guy who totally wasn't toxic at all his game, and that riots system sucks, well. Nobody would go on the internet and just tell lies right?
Great Pyrenees2 votesRiot says they are 100% positive hand reviewing cases for MMR boosting bans. I have never seen a false ban for MMR boosting. So in answer to your question. Could it not be possible a wave of MMR boosting bans are coming out now and naturally there are more complaints than usual. Also just because people do not think they can be caught does not give them the right to complain when they are stinky cheaters lol. When I fap I think of their sweet tears.
Colgate Gator2 votesYou DO realize that everyone who is being banned over it will come here and say it's a false ban, right?
By the looks of it, they're issuing a new ban over Boosting cases and such, so everyone affected by it will come to the forum and complain about it, even if we have no means to know wether they're lying or not instead of issuing a ticket.
I have a smurf account which I level up to Plat 3 and has been fine so far, so I'll assume they really do their work properly, as otherwise my smurf would have been banned due to a quick increase in MMR.
I'll let you know if they make me eat my own words about my acount, tho.
Deep Terror Nami1 votesYou somehow know the system is 100% accurate? I know people lie about it, but that doesn't mean some people aren't wrongly banned sometimes.
Jingerbeardman1 votesyou know they are wrongful how?
Deep Terror Nami1 votesWhere did I say they are? I didn't.
Jingerbeardman1 votesyour thread topic...
AJStarhiker1 votesEvery ban wave I've ever seen is accompanied by forum/board threads about wrongful bans. I have heard of maybe 3 instances where a rioter took a closer look and overturned it. In most cases, drawing a Red's attention results in a harsher ban (i.e. a 2 week bumped up to a perma).
fuzzypeach131 voteson September 29th i recieved a notification that my league of legends account "Fuzzypeach13" had been suspended because "MMR boosting" as i had been told and as i have understood it is becuase they think someone had/has logged into my account and tried to boost me but truthfully it isnt true i had played last season and gotten silver as i only wanted the border and i played 10 games to get it this season i played countless games to get to gold V which happened about a week ago i had done this with the help of my friend "liamlama" i had only logged on too only too computers for the past month which was mine that i use at home and a computer that i used to play at a pc cafe with my friends (nobody logged onto the account other then me there) furthermore the fact that i am currently at 0 lp and played with my friend further proves that i wasnt "mmrboosting" is there anyway i can prove it to riot i would really like my end of the season rewards as i have played hard to earn it.
thanks
ps. im a scrub