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I was told to "go die in a hole" just because I'm turret-hugging as Gangplank Top against Fiora Top

BeatzBoyFTW··56 votes·2,930 views

Usually GP Top is a tad non-recommended as everyone mentions that he gets dived easily or that he doesn't bode so well against many top laners (which is why he is pref a mid laner), but I'm the type of guy who likes unique things like this, so I chose GP Top anyway.

At start of the game, I was getting bullied hard at early levels by Fiora top, a champion whom everyone knows to be highly difficult to duel/1v1 with. So unlike other players who tends to ignore dangers/threats like this, I proceeded to do the safest thing possible: turret-hugging & safely farm from range. After around 10 minutes into the game, the enemy Fiora proceeded to spam toxic stuffs like:

"gp, go die in a hole pls" "you're boring af" "u suck so much"

And whenever I scored a kill on her thanks to the help of my jungler, she then proceeded to spam:

"lol 2v1 noob" "u need ur mama to help u?"

I just literally ignored everything she said & just reported her straight at end-game lobby. Good news, I just received the "A player has been punished" pop-up box during champion select on the next game.

I just can't understand the logic of cocky players such as this, especially when it comes to players who picks broken champions such as the Fiora herself. Like, I'm sorry you needed champion with mixed AD/True Damage & AoE heal just so your taunts & whines can be embraced & justified against me? Especially when I respected your strength which resulted in me needing to turret-hug? That's just immature af.

73 Comments

Sahn Uzal43 votes

First off, who the fuck is saying GP mid is better than Top GP? Don't even dare to tell me Tobias.

I also disagree that this is the best playsyle against Fiora for GP. Place a keg on your own Melee creeps, hug that keg, farm and poke the Fiora If she Q's to you you auto your Keg, shank her with your passive, run away and Q her for the Thunderlords proc.

Post level 6, make sure to have 2 safety kegs that aren't connected, because she will parry one most likely.

As for the Fiora, the guy propably just shoved the lane in all game, didn't even attempt to set up a freeze or anything. Just a bad player who doesn't know how toplane works lol

It's always a great feeling to see that ''a player has been punished'' pop up.

sardiniii4 votes

I think that he probably dosent have a lot of experience on gp top (or with the match up).

I think that gp top is slightly worse than mid. Toplane favors tanks or people that can fufill the same role as tanks (making teamfights go on longer)

Why is tobias`s opinion invalid?? he knows what hes talking about

Sahn Uzal2 votes

Lol, I wish Top favored tanks more. GP loves going against tanks because they struggle to keep him down early. He just gets to farm up and scale. Get yourself something like a Galio mid or a Zac jungle and you're all set :P

sardiniii2 votes

Fair, didn't think about that

Oakleaf Ranger1 votes

I think it depends I definitely know that Nautilus with 3 doran rings is extremely strong against GP and he is a tank.

Orangesilk1 votes

Nautilus -was- my tank pick of choice against GP before they nerfed him to the ground. Now he's barely viable as a support.

Sahn Uzal1 votes

I mean, Naut's kinda shitty rn, but yeah, he can punish mistakes pretty well for a tank.

50000000000000002 votes

Carry tops don't hurt the team comp when you have frontline elsewhere, like jungle, support, and even mid (such as Galio).

sardiniii2 votes

True But tanks are gud top

Orangesilk2 votes

Not always, sometimes you just go against stuff like Quinn Fiora Kennen Kayle Teemo that make farming impossible for you, then it doesn't matter if you chose a tanky champion because during teamfights you have no gold and you're squishy from lack of items. Tanks are great for the team, but they depend on some conditions to be even viable.

Clementine1 votes

GP mid is almost always better than top in this meta. All you do is get camped and tower dove level 4 by Elise and Fiora/Riven/Renekton

GayFluffyUnicorn2 votes

Nope, mid is by far worse for GP in this meta. You can literally do nothing against DECENT opponents. They will bully you all game long, shove you in, you lose CS and get bullied even under turret. The worst part is even if you are good enough to keep up or even beat your opponent you still hardly can support your jungler early on on invades or drakes let alone roam around. Yes toplane it is easier to dive you but for that your jungler (unless trashcan) can freely reign over the rest of the map and get mid or even better bot going, GP scales regardless and is always relevant in teamfights. Besides at most of the elos we are in a level 4 dive will in most of the cases end up with a kill for GP. Riven/Renek matchups you should be able to bully them hard enough early on so they don't even think about diving you tbh. Fiora is another story.

A Bepi1 votes

Well it depends who you are laning against mid lane. If you are playing against a mid laner that has little to no range you should be fine. Anything like an artillery mage will fuck you over or any champion with strong poke.

NvestmentPlanker2 votes

Please try to say you're better at GP than Tobias Fate. please. Fiora is a disgusting braindead champ and GP does not fair well against one that knows what she is doing. I have played the matchup many times. awful feeling. I'd rather lane against Riven and I fucking hate Riven.

Sahn Uzal1 votes

I am in no way saying that I'm a better GP than Tobias Fate.

It is pretty commonly agreed that the guy's a great entertainer, and most likely the best GP in the world... Mechanically. Outside of that, he's really not that good.

As far as the Fiora matchup goes, I've played it multiple times in high Diamond MMR (Because I played with people in that ELO) and felt like it was a way better matchup than Riven.

NvestmentPlanker1 votes

Exhaust>Riven. Riven deals only physical damage so you can not only itemize against her, but exhaust cuts ALL damage she does by 40%. There is no building against % max health true damage and exhaust does nothing against her true damage. she will hit 6, she will tower dive you with the help of her jungler, and there's nothing you can do about it except pray you take one down with you by some chance.

Sahn Uzal1 votes

Exhaust? Now that's a whole other cookie. Exhaust on GP top is practically asking the enemy jungler to completely remove you from the game. ESPECIALLY vs a volatile matchup like Riven.

You're thinking about Reducing their damage. But if you're face tanking either of these champions as GP, you're fucking dead. Fiora can be outran by slowing her with a keg and running away with Trial By Fire's MS, and she can't burst you fast enough if you set up your kegs early. Riven on the other hand has 2 forms of hard CC. EVEN if she does not deny your kegs, if Riven gets on top of GP, GP is dead. And before you mention Exhaust, what's the cooldown on Exhaust? And what's the Cooldown on Riven's ultimate? Yeah.

''With the help of her jungler'' What the fuck. How does this not apply to both.

AhmCha1 votes

Is there some issue that the Gangplank main community has with Tobias? Not trying to insinuate anything, but that comment in particular piqued my interest.

Sahn Uzal1 votes

He's a great entertainer, and is amazing mechanically. But overall he's not that great of a player.

No hate against the guy, I've been watching him since he's had like 20 viewers. But saying ''GP mid is better because Tobias said so'' is not really a good thing to live by.

Wet Dryman2 votes

Tobias is a living proof that mechanics alone won't make you a great player. He can do some fancy game changing combos but ultimately his macro play sucks as hell. He doesn't know how to play around the map, he makes bad strategic calls and often handicaps his own team because of it. Once GP got nerfed from his God Tier status pick he dropped from Challenger to Diamond and pretty much stays there.

They and me too have nothing against this guy (maybe besides ocassional inting and blaming his team), as Tidal said he has great mechanics and it's always fun to watch his stream but let's not mythologize him and blindly approve and do everything he says especially in the light of what is mentioned above.

Sahn Uzal1 votes

^ This comment explains it really well.

BeatzBoyFTW1 votes

There was once a thread of an OP asking why people don't like bringing Gangplank Top lane, and people answered about him being such an easy target to get dived on. Even a Rioter agreed with him.

Sahn Uzal1 votes

Okay buddy, listen to me here. EVERYONE knows GP is an easy target to dive. EVERYONE. ASSUMING you can farm and survive against whatever you're up against in Midlane, why do you think you'll survive if you get dove in Midlane? In a 1v1 scenario, there are a lot of toplane champions that GP can lane against. Midlane tho? You just try to be a bitch and survive. You Litterally have no fucking pressure.

And what if your botlane loses their tier 1 tower, and the enemy botlane roams to midlane? How're you gonna respond? You can't even kill the backline creeps with a keg before Triforce. Multiple kegs? Good luck 1-keg comboing against 2-3 ranged champions lol

Check Op.GG, Midlane GP has such a low pickrate it's not even mentioned on op.gg as an off role anymore.

So I ask you again, what exactly makes you think GP mid is better than top?

BeatzBoyFTW1 votes

I get that you're a GP main & seeing things like the word "unique" triggers you harder than this tilting Fiora, but I have my own reasons of why I prefer bringing GP to mid lane.

Imo, GP Mid fares well against range champions assuming if I'm quicker in exploding my keg with my Q before the enemy mid reacts. In the case of top lane where Rivens & Yasuos are spammed, they usually just dive into you without having to worry about the ranged keg being placed near. At least in mid lane, I get some peace in terms of farming properly with my Q & Dorans Ring build. Getting pressured more than usual? I don't mind being a coward & turret-hug while farming as much as I can with my Q, nothing wrong with that. Better than becoming an instant Bronze 5 by diving onto the enemy's face and die multiple times.

Am I a good Gangplank player? Definitely no. I currently only have a Mastery 4 on him as I find his kit simply fun to be used at Mid lane more than Top lane. I can't believe you actually got triggered more by the 1st sentence instead of the main topic of this thread....

Sahn Uzal1 votes

I have no issue with you prefering GP midlane what so ever, but that does not mean that's the champion's best position. There's a difference between your preference and what is best.

NAY Wrecksauce1 votes

Personally i just think that top lane gp is better because gp is a pretty farm heavy champ. and its easier to survive in lane by farming and everything against melee tanks compared to ranged high burst mages/ad assasins

okayd12 votes

It just means that A) they're tilted, and B) they're bored and aren't usd to the farm all game playstyle. If the player was smart he/she coulda roamed or stole a jg camp.

The player could also be trying to goad you into leaving tower and risking your life. Good on you though for not taking the bait.

ChaosThief1 votes

Could be trying? That was pretty much in-your-face provocative tactics 101.

archerno110 votes

Thats best feeling in game. Thats why i love playing Morgana mid/top. Drop W hide near turret. Enemy gets frustrated and rages and dives

Stalinium1 votes

Lol I hate you :P ;) . We only dive because sitting around in lane waveclearing is boring, and if we roam you'll take turret. Death is more exciting than farm lanes (which is why I'm still Bronze :D)

Iźuku Midoriya8 votes

This is what GP is supposed to do. He outscales alot of champions in late game team fights and can be the game changer. By farming up you are playing the champion

3TWarrior1 votes

I worry about morgana going top

whenever she gets into an off-role, she is nerfed

Oakleaf Ranger5 votes

Want to upvote and downvote. Fiora is a scumbag champion but I also hate GP. Good GP's hug towers like they are their mother's teets and im like stop eating those damn oranges and get off that tower so i can kill you. Great GP's though know which lanes they can play aggressive early on which also requires a more difficult/dangerous play style.

Solidarius3 votes

great job! as a top lane main I am proud of you :D

gp mid lane works, but I think hes better top thats just my opinion.

you know I dont really blame him/her for being salty/toxic... facing a good/smart gp also tilts the shit out of me XD

woodvsmurph3 votes
  1. Gp is perfectly solid top. In fact, I'd classify him up there with fiora as one of the more stupidly overtuned champs. Arguing otherwise is either intentionally lying or being very naive.
  2. Hugging tower as gp is the normal thing to do. As long as you are not missing a ton of cs or something, there is nothing wrong and everything perfectly normal with this as a gp in the early game.
  3. Many toplaners will taunt you in various ways: mastery spam, fake recalling, spamming laugh or taunt, typing in chat, etc. to try to bait you into doing something - that something usually being taking a bad fight when the enemy has their jungler around.
  4. People 2v1 all the time - it's the job of every toplaner to ward and have an escape or outplay prepared or accept their death. If you are going to camp someone for 15 min though when you already have a counter-pick and take a combat summoner (exhaust/ignite) vs the enemy's tp, then you are just being a donkey. Have some honor and win or lose 1v1 without needing 15 min of the jungler zoning your opponent off of cs and xp just to be able to 1v1 them.

Why is gp so annoying and strong though? a. 0 pressure to win lane or fight because he WILL almost always outscale b. easy waveclear from long range via barrels and q mean he doesn't have to interact with the enemy toplaner if they are melee; if ahead, he can CHUNK you out with ease from complete safety, if behind, he can't easily be tower dove because he will just clear the giant wave before it hits tower. c. spammable heal and cleanse means by the time he gets triforce, he can spam heal any damage chunk you get on him in a trade if you can't all-in delete him; something made hard to do since he can force you to blow your 1 gapcloser just to deal damage to him, cleanse out of it (plus heal himself), and pop a barrel for some nice return damage which also SLOWS you to prevent you chasing him down again. Then hide under tower, set up barrels, and spam heal to negate all the damage you did while the damage he returned sticks. Thus, he needs to majorly screw up to die 1v1 - you basically need a teammate with cc to help you kill him 1v1. This is only made more impossible since many gp's take (or used to take) exhaust instead of tp. d. he gets more gold than you do just for farming, gets more gold for q'ing you in the face from range whenever he wants, and gets free kills or assists just by pressing r on someone halfways across the map almost guaranteed. e. they all tend to act like they are some amazing player with tons of skill and outplay when it takes far less skill to play gp into most melee's than it does for the melee player PLUS the melee has pressure on them to WIN the lane which gp does not have. Spammable cleanse plus heal while also having ranged aoe waveclear and harass plus movespeed and slows combo's to kite out almost any enemy cc and engage means you don't need skill.

There are certain toplaners who just get too much safety, champs who can avoid being bullied early while outscaling disgustingly who I have no respect for in most cases. Sure it takes a bit of skill to learn one thing on the champ (like gp double/triple barrels) but after that there is basically no skill/outplay required by the player as compared to their opponent - even on a simpler champ like renekton or darius. Fiora, gp, on-hit kennen and teemo, etc. simply farm up safely, outscale most opponents via items and/or champ kits, and actually require less effort and skill to win if no jungler influence is involved than many of their opponents. I take extra pleasure when champs like these get 1v1 destroyed in lane. Or 1v2 outplayed despite getting jungle help.

GayFluffyUnicorn4 votes

Someones mad after getting his ass handed over by a GP?

The only one intentionally lying and exagerating is you unfortunately. Spammable heal? Nope, if he spams he runs oom after 3oranges. Even with sheen it's difficult to manage mana in a lane where you either have to poke or Q minions all the time. He can NOT delete any wave what so ever. With sheen he needs two barrels to kill caster. After triforce (the earliest he can get it in an even lane is around 12 mins) he still needs two barrels to clear the entire wave minus the caddy. It is entirely your fault and lack of brain if you push a GP in and let him free farm under the turret instead of zoning him away and that's a problem of ALL average toplaners up to low diamond. All you can do is push, get 2 fast and cheese and win or fail and have no idea what to do. A ranged champ having advantages over melees who would have thought. I can only tell you the few times i've played against GP in mid and top every single one of them ended 0/5, 50 cs behind and losing the game since i know how to play against him. Perfectly able to kill him without a jungler unfortunately you can't just faceroll over him like you do against many other champs.

Sincerely,

a GP main who often gets complimented by his enemies with "finally a skilled GP player, it's rare these days".

FennekSucksAtLOL2 votes

Funny coincidence, I just finished playing a Fiora Top game against a GP but the GP was trying to 1v1 me instead of hugging tower. It was a good day for me. Not so much for the enemy GP (or his team for that matter). But yeah, that Fiora sounds like an asshole and I'm glad you did the right thing.

The Ecdysiast2 votes

A champion with mixed AD/True damage and a heal....

So....

Gangplank

ChaosThief1 votes

Well... you're not wrong...

Autrah Fang1 votes

{quoted}

A champion with mixed AD/True damage and a heal....

So....

Gangplank

not quite

GP also has magic damage :D

The Ecdysiast1 votes

Fiora has magic damage.

So basically, they're the same champion if you're really vague in the description.

Both deal physical and magic damage, both ignore defenses, both have a self-heal and immunity to CC, both have movement speed increases, and both have an AoE ability that can benefit allies.

Siegfriedx12 votes

"I like those unique things" Play gp top.

loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool I can't. I just can't.

Unique. Original. Master piece.

Automated Riven5 votes

I was kinda confused on how GP top was unique also. He is seen far more often top then mid. .

DarkPh0enix1 votes

Im not even going to read the post

Don't get triggered over what some retard tells you over the internet.

EvanThomas3 votes

He didn't get triggered over what the person said. Literally says that he ignored her, and reported her at the end of the game. This is why you should read before commenting, otherwise you play yourself (insert gif here).

Dangerous Man1 votes

Usually people don't write essays about how they got offended in League.

BeatzBoyFTW1 votes

So you're expecting another "Yasuo needs more nerfs" thread or something? This is Boards for a reason, everyone's free to discuss situations such as this.

Dangerous Man1 votes

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BeatzBoyFTW1 votes

So I post something which isn't positive I've encountered in my league life. Then what? What are you trying to prove here? I'm just here sharing my harmless experience while preaching out of pondering why players behave like this, and you're just sitting here typing shit as if we're expecting to see your "macho" 6 abs over the internet.

Try to be a better troll-poster next time.

Akali Prime1 votes

tbh fighting someone who turret hugs all lane is pretty irritating, i usually just punish you by pushing the wave all the way to your tower then go roam and kill your teammates.

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