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Why are people in this game the biggest grouping of wuss's in all of gaming communities?

NoDomeAtHome··3 votes·1,002 views

This is the only game (and highly competitive game at that) where you get PUNISHED for talking crap. Why? This is the only one. People get so butt hurt if you call them out about anything... and if you are remotely stern about it you get a chat ban. What kind of kinder garden class rules is Riot running here? Is everyone that plays this a child recently off their mothers tit who has to be coddled and treated like a precious baby? No. The player base is mostly adults or teenagers. Never seen a bigger group of pansies in any gaming community I've ever had the experience of getting into.

I could understand if it was just getting punished for racist comments... or legit death threats... or something like that... but talking crap and calling someone out because some jack a$$ runs his character into a dark jungle on their side of the map when 3 of them are mia, recently seen in that area? Or any other similar situation. No. That's ridiculous.
And the LCS is treated like a sporting event? With a big a** stadium and trophy, and all kinds of crap... What kind of sports teams don't talk smack to each other? Exactly... none. Its like some "Mothers of America" like activist group that turns men into vgna's got to the staff at riot and said "MAKE PEOPLE STOP BEING MEAN TO MY BABY!" The only reason I put up with it is because you make an excellent moba.

But God D**m... wtf is wrong with you people.

Added after post:

Let me clarify. I am talking about when people get punished after giving another player advice in a stern way... that player then getting butt hurt because he was called out... then that player after game click "Report" and the player giving advice to the player in the wrong, getting a ban just because he decided to speak up. I don't blindly rage at people. And I always reinforce with reasoning for what I said, and fixes for the problem. The word "toxic" should refer to people who blindly just curse and scream and flame people with no solutions or helpfulness.

More clarification:

The game I got a chat restriction was after a win, when all I did was tell the guy to ward. I didn't even get mad. I just said this word for word "As a mid you need to ward or you'll keep dying" ... dies again "Man just ward" ... The he dies again... and screams... "NO GANKS!"... naturally. And I just stopped talking at that point, because people like that will never improve because they don't want to.... BOOM! Game ends... chat restriction 30 minutes later. I am the toxic one? No... People like that are toxic. And even had I flamed him (which I didnt)... I still would have been more right than him. People who refuse to take responsibility or even try to learn... those are the toxic ones to this community. They are the ones that degrade the gaming experience. Not people who get mad at people like that. (I was the adc, not the jungle which I feel like people may have assumed)

23 Comments

Deep Terror Nami6 votes

Or, you could just be mature and respectful. Is there something wrong with that? Is it too hard?

Pandemic Punch3 votes

If you want this game to grow, stop being a douche.

Liquefier3 votes

This guy is so right. I mean honestly this community is the biggest group of crybaby tattletales I have ever encountered. To make it worse, riot empowers such brats with words like Toxic and their ridiculously skewed reporting system which the crybabies use to get back at everyone when they lose a game.
You have to take solace in the fact that these little whiners will never actually make it in the real world without thier mommies and laugh at them for never being able to stand up for themselves or take real initiative.
Thanks for trying to reform the gamer's internet Riot, but u will only ever be a small part of it, and your LCS will be revealed for the sham it is eventually. Good Day.

NoDomeAtHome1 votes

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Its the flaw in the report system that bothers me the most. Anyone can just click "report" cause they're butt hurt, then you get punished. Its bad.

Jubbinaut3 votes

Except you're forgetting about the whole Review step. Reports are not magical punish buttons. The only thing reports do is flag a game for later review.

Meaning, if you aren't being a jerk about things, you have nothing to worry about.

Liquefier2 votes

This has proven to be false, Riot lies to it's playerbase constantly. Feel free to test it yourself. There are streamers who have shown that saying nothing in game and getting reported for it results in a chat restriction. I'm not convinced that all bans are reviewed first but I am more likely to believe that.

Go ahead. Make a new account with a friend and get them to report you every game. See what happens.

NoDomeAtHome1 votes

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ The game I got a chat restriction was after a win, when all I did was tell the guy to ward. I didn't even get mad. I just said this word for word "As a mid you need to ward or you'll keep dying" ... dies again "Man just ward" ... Then he says "NO GANKS!"... naturally. And I just stopped talking at that point, because people like that will never improve.... BOOM! Game ends... chat restriction 30 minutes later. I am the toxic one? No... People like that are toxic. And even had I flamed him (which I didnt)... I still would have been more right than him. People who refuse to take responsibility or even try to learn... those are the toxic ones to this community. Not the people who get mad at people like that.

Jubbinaut2 votes

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This has proven to be false, Riot lies to it's playerbase constantly. Feel free to test it yourself. There are streamers who have shown that saying nothing in game and getting reported for it results in a chat restriction. I'm not convinced that all bans are reviewed first but I am more likely to believe that.

Go ahead. Make a new account with a friend and get them to report you every game. See what happens.

I had a friend perform that test, sometime last year, because he was curious.

He still hasn't received any form of restriction on that account.

Frankly, I think it's a silly argument anyway. The only benefit of flatly tying reports to punishments is that sanctions would be issued slightly faster. The costs would include: the time it took to completely rework the functions of reports (twice!), loss of faith from the player-base, and any hope of accuracy in their systems.

Purely from the perspective of cost/benefit analysis, it would be a pretty stupid plan.

NoDomeAtHome2 votes

Because being kind and polite and respectful to the plethora of players who join ranked games with little to no understanding of game mechanics knowing they will probably end up doing poorly, then ignoring the advice of people who clearly understand whats going on better is the way that you will get through to them. No. It starts with politeness, but most of the time, no one heeds it and does their own thing...

People to often in Solo Queue refuse to work as a team, or listen to direction. Its a team game, and seeing as you are forced to finish the game with said people who haven't yet listen to reason, you should not be punished for getting mad. That's human nature.

Jubbinaut5 votes

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Because being kind and polite and respectful to the plethora of players who join ranked games with little to no understanding of game mechanics knowing they will probably end up doing poorly, then ignoring the advice of people who clearly understand whats going on better is the way that you will get through to them. No. It starts with politeness, but most of the time, no one heeds it and does their own thing...

And? Why is it your responsibility to force them to play your way? Why is it your responsibility to pay any attention to their play? And if you want so badly to take on that responsibility, why are you approaching it in such a counter-productive way? Forget anything else, the simple fact is that being a jerk about it will make them less likely to pay attention to you.

If they aren't listening to your polite calls, then stop making calls and follow up with them, or do what you know you can do. If they aren't listening to your respectful advice, then stop giving them advice.

you should not be punished for getting mad. That's human nature.

You aren't punished for getting mad. Nobody has ever been sanctioned in League due to an emotional state. You are, however, punished for allowing that to affect your treatment of other players. You don't have to be all unicorns and rainbow farts, but you are expected to not treat other people like dirt.

NoDomeAtHome1 votes

I never said I treated players like dirt, but I do however after multiple times of pinging, and explaining the same simple thing... such as... "Hey man, as a mid you need to ward your own lane"... then the same thing happens again... and again... then they blame the jungle or someone else for them getting ganked in their own lane... That's when I start to flame. And even when I do flame someone, I do give the same advice I was giving before, just more sternly. Never racist, never about real life... just shit talking in a game. But followed up by reinforcement... EVERY TIME. There should be nothing wrong with that.

NoDomeAtHome1 votes

The word "Toxic" is thrown around like the word "Love"... Those bans and reports should be used against people who give no explanation, just blind rage. That's not what most players get banned for from what I've seen. They get banned for trying to give someone advice and that person gets butt hurt and then hits "Report".

Jubbinaut4 votes

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There should be nothing wrong with that.

So what you're saying, then, is that it should be perfectly acceptable for you to be a jerk, provided that someone else was a jerk first?

Because that's not an acceptable argument for children, much less adults.

Nobody really cares why you're flaming. What matters is, you're flaming, and you should stop.

Liquefier2 votes

I detest this ridiculous stance on internet bullying. Lets apply it to real life bullying. You are faced with a person who is attempting to beat you up, and have nowhere to run. Do you take your beating and thank them for it or do you fight back? It is absolutely ridiculous that noone thinks it is acceptable to stand up for yourself.

Because in a 40 minute game on Summoner's Rift, you have nowhere to run.

Jubbinaut2 votes

{quoted}

I detest this ridiculous stance on internet bullying. Lets apply it to real life bullying. You are faced with a person who is attempting to beat you up, and have nowhere to run. Do you take your beating and thank them for it or do you fight back? It is absolutely ridiculous that noone thinks it is acceptable to stand up for yourself.

While we're at it, let's compare apples to oranges, shall we?

I suppose that's somewhat unfair, but you're still comparing two very different situations that have almost nothing in common. The expectations and capabilities are different in both situations, and the cultural/social mores are also different.

And as for my response to real-life bullying, as a person who was bullied constantly throughout most of my life? I ignored them. I protected myself as best I could (holding my backpack in front of me, blocking slow punches and kicks, whatever), and waited. In the end, they got suspensions and expulsions, and I got to go to class. Which, y'know, was all win for me.

I also noticed that most bullies don't actually get particularly physical. They tended to use the threat of violence, rather than actual violence. Only once did anyone genuinely try to kick the crap out of me, and he wasn't really a bully - he was just pissed at me because I was dating his ex.

Because in a 40 minute game on Summoner's Rift, you have nowhere to run.

Perhaps not, but there are other ways to deal with it.

NoDomeAtHome1 votes

There are no other ways to deal with it. I am not speaking about thrashing a new player simply because they are bad, I am speaking about thrashing a bad player, because they are bad, and refuse to take responsibility or listen to advice of people who are clearly doing better than them. The type of player who gets mad because they are doing bad, then takes all the blame out on everyone but his own mistakes. Players who see pings, but ignore the fact that maybe someone saw something they didn't see. That's what I am talking about. That's the problem.
You can give people like this advice all day... they wont listen. They won't get better. Not getting mad at someone like this is unreasonable in a FTP game.

Jubbinaut2 votes

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There are no other ways to deal with it.

I disagree. Are they flaming you in response to reasonable requests? Mute them. Are they just silently continuing to do things you think are stupid? Use them - as bait, as a distraction, whatever.

But don't bash on them. It will make them less likely to listen to you, and set you up for issues with the behavior system - that's a no-win situation for you.

Not getting mad at someone like this is unreasonable in a FTP game.

So get mad. No one says you shouldn't get mad. I haven't said you shouldn't get mad. That would be stupid. I get pissed about it, too.

But there's a difference between being angry at people refusing to listen to you, and flaming at people who refuse to listen to you. One is a natural emotional reaction to frustrating situations, and the other is an action. We can't always control our emotions, but we can control our actions.

Which is what I was saying when I said this:

You aren't punished for getting mad. Nobody has ever been sanctioned in League due to an emotional state. You are, however, punished for allowing that to affect your treatment of other players. You don't have to be all unicorns and rainbow farts, but you are expected to not treat other people like dirt.

(Okay, honestly, I only quoted that because I'm really amused by the "unicorns and rainbow farts" line)

KDragonL2 votes

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There are no other ways to deal with it. Mute them and go about playing the game how you want. Stop making excuses for being childish.

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There are no other ways to deal with it. Not getting mad at someone like this is unreasonable in a FTP game.

Mute them and go about playing the game how you want. There is no valid excuse for trying to make someone else's life hell. Focus on making your time better and ignore the others. If that doesn't work you are doing it wrong.

NoDomeAtHome1 votes

You do however have points, but my OP did come off as just plain bitching. I re clarified in the OP.

NoDomeAtHome1 votes

Yes, there is when you get 4chan troll types joining games just to mess with people.

Jubbinaut1 votes

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Is everyone that plays this a child recently off their mothers tit who has to be coddled and treated like a precious baby? No. The player base is mostly adults or teenagers.

I agree, it's pretty sad that so many players act so childish.

I mean, you'd think that by the time they're adults or teenagers, they would have already learned not to be a jerk to people.

Guess it was too much to ask that people actually learn how to behave in society as children.

NoDomeAtHome1 votes

Oh and while we are on this subject. The ranked solo queue system is ridiculous too. I don't believe there is an elo hell, however... I do think that getting out of bronze is harder than climbing to high gold from low silver. Last season I only played for the last ten weeks and placed in B4... about 8 weeks of those were in bronze bouncing back and fourth constantly... I was 4 wins from gold the last two weeks of the season. Climbed from S5 promo to mid S1 in two weeks (approx 50 games due to the MMR hit from bronze)... simply due to the fact that I USUALLY carry pretty hard, and the amount of unreasonable bad players was significantly cut as soon as I exited bronze. And no, my know how in the game did not change dramatically in this time. I just got a lucky win streak without bad team mates. That's it.

My point with that is... the way the ranked solo queue works for new players (who are good players) forces them to play for an unreasonable amount of games in a league far below their play level. (Assuming they are placed in bronze)

Nightmares about bronze. My win rate there was like 50.5%... my win rate in silver was like 75%+.

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