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@Riot Katarina Feedback.

Xhandel·10/7/2013, 9:49:44 AM·2 votes·830 views

After 30+ games played with different runes and masteries, and after trying different build paths, i can tell this:

Katarina is still one of the worst ap carry, if not the worst, in the game, to the point to not be fun to play in the majority of games.

yeah, her late game is now way better, her ult deal a huge amount of damage (if popped up at the right moment) but you need to wait until lvl 16 to that power spike, before that point, is just a "try to survive" instead of "carry the team". Her early game is still as bad as it was before the last buff.

I will take the words of tiensinoakuma (riot's featured player): "there are champions with good early and bad early, but those ones with bad early have a power spike at some point, can be lvl 6 (ult) or an item". Akali and kassadin have bad early games but they get their power spikes at lvl 6, akali getting a second power spike when she gets gunblade. Kat have no power spike, not an item, not an early lvl, not a runes/masteries special comp, nothing.

Why this happen? because her QWE damage is a joke compared to the QWE damage of the other ap carry. and example of this lack of damage was something happened to me last game: Katarina lvl 14 (DFG, Hat, Void staff and magic pen boots completed) vs sona lvl 12 (boots of mobility, ruby SS, shurelias, chalice of harmony), i procced to ambush her from a bush when she was about to ward it, i popped up the full round of DFG + QWE + R, she stopped my ult 1 second after i started it, Result? i even didnt get her to half health, NOT EVEN TO HALF HEALTH, EVEN WITH 3 COMPLETE MAJOR ITEMS. when was the last time you saw an apc with these items lacking of damage to take down a support that is 2 lvls behind you.

Another example, this one from tiensi's stream, namy lvl 4-5(can't remember) vs katarina lvl 6, kat with fiendish codex, namy no mr items and at 65% health, result? QWE and full channel R NOT ENOUGHT TO KILL HER, making tiensi pop up his ignite to take her down.

I know riot is concerned about buffing her QWE damage and letting her to take entire teams with just a single reset, or to give her some form of cc and make her a CC train after the first kill/assist, but if you dont want this, then give her something that can compensate that lack of damage.

I dont know why you dont want to solve this problem, months have passed since her nerfs, with we, Kat players, complaining about her bad spot, we never wanted the rework, and you did it to "make her early game better", thing that you nerfed to oblivion after GD cryed a river cuz of kat pubstomping low elo. Now the things youre doing to Kat seems like trying to get her to her prerework state again.

If you want, give us the prerework kat again, every single katarina player will be gratefull if you do that, if not, then solve her early game problems, that is, her lack of damage, or the lack of things to compensate that lost damage.

At least dont let us to wait 1+ years from this day just to rework her again or to buff her in the correct way.

Sorry for my engrish

4 Comments

X Anivia X10/7/2013, 12:45:08 PM1 votes

I'm a Kat player. I can tell you that Sona counters you, as does anyone who can stop your ult. It's a fact of life we have to deal with. And you can usually turret dive and either make it a suicide or E+flash away from the turret to get first blood. Which is well worth the suicide, since it gives you 500 gold and doesn't change the relative kill score. Also, depending on the situation, try building HP AND AP in the form of Rylai's + Liandry. Liandry is nice in that it increases harass potential with its burn, gives you HP, and if you have Rylai, its burn is doubled. It's not a traditional build but it's nice to poke with your Q. Try your best to get first blood and don't start squishy. It'll mean you can stay in lane longer and make your opponent recall more while you get free farm depending on whether their jungler is paying any attention (half the time, junglers don't pay attention as far as I can tell).

NormalWoWNerd10/7/2013, 1:04:42 PM1 votes

I agree with this post, every early game, even a beginner bot game, I can't stop dying until I get to level 16, and then people yell out ks every time I do her Ult, it's easier when you get shunpo but then they learn how to counter it, she needs a patch, like Garen just did.

MinxyA10/8/2013, 11:15:43 AM1 votes

I totally agree. Let me add something really important. I think the remake had more cons than benefits. I will comment a little bit about that:

Voracity

This passive was really good. Those who played since season 1 know what I'm talking about. We had all cds reseted after getting a kill, making Katarina an actual assassin. Plus, you earned a bonus gold for each kill.

The problem is, now the passive won't reset the cds but gives a 15s reduction? Plus, most players were expecting a buff on the gold bonus, but it got removed instead. That doesn't make any sense at all, the remake was supposed to make Kat better not worse. She was a really nice APC but not anymore.

Bouncing Blades

The original one was better imo. The number of blades was progressive but had such nice damage and good cd time. Now BB has a high cd and you can't finish the enemy off because the BB is still on cd. There were so many rotation possibilities, one of them was to finish with BB after the burst damage with the old W, "Shunpo","Death Lotus" and finally BB to get the kill. But now the rotations are pretty well predictable. Everybody knows what you're going to do it.

Sinister Steel

This is the only pro that I can see, and even so, that "new W" has increased BB's cd time, which is a terrible thing because you have to wait a lot of time. I will be honest, even if the farm got better, I'd rather play with the old W. That's because you were free to decide when to activate the buff and fake initiations in order to make the enemy fall back and get the control of the lane. Plus, the most important thing while activating the buff was the surprise attacks. People usually think that you would burst every time you'd activate it, that why i usually shunpo'd suddenly at the enemy, W, death lotus and BB for the kill. It was very fast because most players reaction time was slower than the rotation. But now everything is predictable and that doesn't make KAt an assassin.

Shunpo

The most critical con imo is, "Shunpo" now has too slow animation and very predictable sprites, which gives the enemy time to think. Kat makes a lot of noise when "shupo'ing". The original "shunpo" was pretty much better, because it was really fast and silent. Not to mention that shunpo makes you always go behind the target. That's very predictable, you don't choose when to go behind or not anymore. You shunpo, you get behind. No strategy at all. Plus, most part of the time makes you lose the auto attack that you would inflict, causing a loss of dps. Now you have to use SS to get away from the enemy fast because he knows what you're doing.

Death Lotus

It is a bad ass ultimate. I think the range should be adjusted according to actual team fight situations. I don't understand why in the world it has a AD ratio, since Kat is an AP champion. That AD bonus could be actually AP bonus damage, after all your runes and masteries aare being build AP not AD, that's just nonsense lol(I've read in the tips that Kat will do magic damage even if you build AD).

Delays

Wasn't good enough to spoil that amazing champ, but you gave Kat nice delays wich make you lose a lot of kills. Sometimes that 0,25 s is the time you need to get the kill instead of dying.

Solutions

Give us the original Kat's passive and shunpo. Remove the AD ratios and add bonus magic bonus instead.Make her an actual assassin AP champ with a lot mobility and flexibility. Also, the new sprites are bad.

Thank you for the attention.

I am Katarina3/16/2014, 5:08:04 AM1 votes

Ok one your wrong you don't know how to build her right im arguing people that say they should buff Kat I got a 700 ap build without baron with baron its 800 max ap i wont tell you because thats the last thing i need to have people use my build. If your runes are 9x magic penetration 9x ability power 9x scaling heal regeneration and 3x movement speed then yes your right if not FIX IT if you choose to. This is what i hear when people say riot needs to buff 'yes make Kat stronger so we hate her more she might as well be a twin kass' just saying just think about it i may not change your mind now but if they do buff Kat you might regret it.