We're these Gragas nerfs really necessary?

WrÆth·Aug 14, 2016·2 votes·577 views

I mean, I know I might be a little biased since Gragas was the closest champion I've ever come to "maining", but real talk- why? To be completely honest I feel like this nerf is directed toward lcs which kind of pisses me off since it's quite frankly inconsiderate to everyone that plays him outside of competitive play (like, 90% of the player base). I mean why nerf him when you've maybe got junglers like cough cough hecarim still disguisingly over powered who are a whole lot easier to play. Idk I just feel like these nerfs were really unnecessary. Feel free to leave your thoughts below.

13 Comments

BastionKrossAug 14, 20162 votes

We're fast approaching worlds, so that means the balance team is working almost exclusively to balance pro play. Gragas is very strong in pro play, so he gets the nerf bat pretty hard.

On the bright side, this may be the first year we don't have Lee Sin running around.

SiytherAug 14, 20161 votes

somehow i doubt that lol

OnlyGragasOnlyGGAug 14, 20161 votes

I would just start with the ult change then see

WrÆthAug 14, 20161 votes

I'm kind of upset about the ult changes because now it makes it almost impossible to do your w>e>ult into q combo, which was already hard to begin with.

jinxedchefAug 14, 20161 votes

I think that is the point. They don't want any champ to have a combo that can 100-0 and has no counter play. The changed ult gives the other player a half second chance to flash. And before you say his combo doesn't 100-0, it chunks a lot and before the target landed from the knock back Gragas's teammates would finish the target.

WrÆthAug 14, 20161 votes

It has plenty of counter play. As a player laning against a Gragas or dueling them, when they see the barrel go down, that's a pretty obvious sign shits about to go down. That's when you back up out of body slam range, rinse and repeat, and next thing you know half his fucking mana is gone.

jinxedchefAug 14, 20161 votes

There is no counter play to the slam/flash/ult combo.

WrÆthAug 14, 20161 votes

There is no counter play to an insec kick as well apart from destroying the ward before he hops to it

jinxedchefAug 14, 20161 votes

And that is partly why Leesin's damage numbers are so low that he is running one of the lowest jungle win rates and isn't picked in competitive.

But you are still wrong. You have more time to flash to the other side of Leesin,(so you are kicked the other way) than you have time to dodge a Gragus flash/slam.

WrÆthAug 14, 20161 votes

LMAO his damage numbers are low? Ok thats funny. Also, the only reason he has a low winrate is because he has a 20% pick rate, 19% of which have no idea how to use his complex kit.

jinxedchefAug 14, 20161 votes

Believe whatever you want to, even if you are completely wrong. But Gragas deserves those nerfs and will in all likelihood get them.

WrÆthAug 14, 20161 votes

i honestly dont know what you're talking about, lee sin's damage is by no means "low" and how can you expect for a champion with a high skillcap to have a high winrate

Shifue DravenAug 14, 20161 votes

I like playing gragas and i'll admit he is a strong pick in period.He does need some tuning but this is overkill.I agree on the fact of there are many champions that need tuning (hecarim for example) but i think they did overkill his nerf.