What do I do about AP top champions?

Nunya Bezwacks··1 votes·439 views

I mean if I use an ad champion its a battle of who has more poke/slow and they usually do (im look at you Lissandra and Rumble ) I dont like the ap top laners (apart from vlad who is probably my favorite but was apperently nerfed into the ground so i was told) so i don't use them which puts me in this spot. If I use a tanky top there is no item that can defend against them since doran's shield is more for ad resistance(8 auto damage doesn't mean shit to an ability based champion). I could start with a null-magic mantle but it only leaves one health pot for regen which one ability usually out damages everything everything 3 of them would give + champions like Kassadin and Lissandra usually build high mana (item 3027 item 3003),restore mana like Kassadin's nether blade, or have low mana usage thanks to passives like Lissandra's Iceborn so they can just spam the high damage poke every 2 seconds.

TL;DR HOW I DO THE NONE AP LIVING THING VS. AP IN TOP LANE?!?!

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S H A Y C 02 votes

im not sure why you have enough gold to buy a null magic mantle, they raised the cost a while ago, and unless youre running the extra 50 gold in utility i dont think you can purchase it...and if you are putting that many points in the utility tree that may be part of the problem right there. As far as dealing with poke, you either have to match their poke or start dodging some skill shots. Boots and pots can help with dodging skill shots.

Some champions that may make things a little easier for you:

Renekton: Insane butter like dueling potential. Its very hard to out trade renekton lvl 3. Dash in, auto, stun, auto, Q, dash out - almost no retaliation, plus a large heal on his q as you leave. )0 retaliation trade but less damage - Dash, stun, Q, Dash out. Even if you are behind you can even things out this way, it has very little counter play.

Jayce: Will win the poke game. Ranged auto and good burst damage with all in potential at level 3 if they are squishy mage. Land an acceleration gate shock blast combo, hypercharge them, then hammer form skyfall spam all you got knock um back and if they arent dead, they wont want to get real close for cs anymore, and you now have lane control, just watch your brush for ganks, an aggressive jayce is a gank magnet.

Also, consider playing some of these mages you dont like in top lane. Lissandra is a hell of a pick in mid or top. You can easily build her quite tanky for a mage. Rod of ages, zhonya, abyssal sceptar, liandry's, all these are good picks - if you are in top lane, you typically arent expected to put out a ton of damage so you can go with the slightly less impactful damaging items that make you really tough and still have a huge impact in team fights, she is a CC machine and thats what everybody wants out of you, and this can be done without a void staff deathcap rush in your item build. You will probably still want the void staff, and deathcap is never "the wrong item" for a final build, but it can easily wait. liandries plus scorc boots gives you 30 penetration and you can ride that out for a long time.

Same goes for rumble, build tanky ap items, no mana, CC machine, play safe, cs, poke.

You can still play vlad. Dont expect to get a lot of solo kills. just be the annoying, forever in top lane, ungankable jack ass that vlad excels at. If you play this way, saving your pool for ganks and never in lane(which is key) your laner will get annoyed and play stupid and thats when you will get your kill.

When being ganked dont panic pool, just run your but off toward your tower and save it for hard CC, like bindings, stuns, and roots or until you are just a pool away from your tower...or just as long as possible. Take ghost instead of flash for more security, your ghost will speed you along while your pooled to get you safely away and can be activated while in the pool.

hope i helped

Nunya Bezwacks1 votes

i don't own jayce because i don't like him but renekton was the one i was talking about i had problems earlier today when i was live streaming where after 2 ganks from shaco gave him two assists and that turned into me being killed by rumble when i came to lane because i couldn't get in range to hit him thanks to that stupidly broken slow that is damn near a stun and i couldn't farm because of his damage even through my hexdrinker.

S H A Y C 02 votes

I have a feeling you were at or past the mid point at the river, so working off this assumption (and if im wrong forgive me) look for some videos on youtube about "freezing the lane" and try to freeze the lane just outside your turret and make it dangerous for shaco to gank you. and also dangerous for rumble to keep pushing into your turret, because if he pushes the lane he ends up in the vulnerable position for a juicy gank from your jungler. On top of those things, invest heavily in wards. with shaco you want a pink ward in the bush you think hes comming from, possibly even just inside your own turret range if you feel like they are going to dive you, that way his decieve is less decieving. typically the river bush is the way to go, but if its an aggressive shaco pink ward the tri brush behind the turret, he can jump in from behind and rumble will wreck your world with an equalizer.

RogueWill2 votes

With shaco you ward a bit more unconventionally. You ward the points where we would use his invisibility instead of teh immediate bushes.

S H A Y C 01 votes

thats kinda what i was trying to say, sorry if it didnt come across that way.

Nunya Bezwacks1 votes

actually no for the most part i got dove he would show the moment i walked to where he could blink in and hit me the first time i was a little past and rumble had poked to much and i couldnt heal fast enough and on top of that he kept up pretty well so my 2 dashes and flash didnt mean anything since he for some reason had flash the second time he ran under my tower because i tried to hide there when i saw him coming back and unfortunately he could just e me for the kill

S H A Y C 01 votes

i dont really know how to help you then. It seems that you have decided that there isnt anything that can be done and its unbeatable regardless of what you do and have given up. lots of suggestions for your plea for help, and you have shut them all down. These people arent telling you that this stuff works without ever having played top against ap champs, this stuff worked for them so maybe think about what you have been doing with these things in mind and youll come up with something that works.

good luck man, try to stay positive.

Nunya Bezwacks1 votes

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S H A Y C 01 votes

that frowny face is not positive... gimme 20 pushups and try again Sion

aaronconlin1 votes

Oops, posted twice by mistake

aaronconlin1 votes

Depending on the champion you're playing consider the following: item 2041 and potions for sustain (only on mana champions) item 1001 and potions, helps dodge skillshots item 1055 sustain and damage, if they are a poke champion they likely won't survive an engage item 1054 helps more than you think, without their full combo they will need to rely on some auto attacks in the very early stages

Late game, item 3139 and item 3156 are your friends

Nunya Bezwacks1 votes

doran's shield doesn't help when they just poke you to the point you cant farm and the range means playing safe is pointless cus they will poke and call for there jungle to tower dive which if you couldnt handle them one on one you wont survive a 2v1 with a fraction of health

aaronconlin1 votes

Well, against Lissandra (one of your examples), avoid standing directly behind your minion wave so her Q and E don't hit you with splash damage. Poke/engage her when her W is on Cooldown. It's not so much what item you can build at the start of the game that will allow you to stop someone from snowballing, but learning to counter the champion. Who do you normally play top that you have trouble against AP champions? Plus there's always the option of getting item 1033 first back to build into item 3155 or item 1057 into item 3140 later on

Nunya Bezwacks1 votes

usually have problems with all champions because she just slows you to much and can spam her cc even if you dodge her q she can just root you and walk away while spamming more q's.

Hupsis1 votes

item 1054 item 3211 item 3155 ?

Nunya Bezwacks1 votes

Im talking to start the game so they dont take the lead and snowball while building the 1200+ gold items and like i said if you had read it doran's shield doesnt mean much to a caster.

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