quick QQ

dumnghoti·Mar 17, 2015·2 votes·1,266 views

Why are some champions allowed to build tank and still do more damage than an adc?... to literally be both an unstoppable force and an immovable object?

26 Comments

The Fat PunisherMar 17, 20152 votes

Rengar Renekton

RawMar 17, 20152 votes

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dumnghotiMar 17, 20151 votes

Did you even click the links and look at the match history?

If someone is complaining like a bronze, but shows you a match history of a champion winning 90% of her games, was it really a bronze post?

RawMar 17, 20151 votes

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dumnghotiMar 17, 20151 votes

She got two kills from him early game, but the rest of her kills were from her roaming. Even with 2 defensive items, she hopped into a 3v1 several times, gained one kill, and then hopped away. When 3 champions focus you and you still can feed and live? You dont call that a tank?

MrPerson10Mar 17, 20151 votes

I challenge you to name one tank that can not only kite, but also have utility, deal consistent damage and be able to delete an ADC in potentially two hits.

Spikeman71Mar 17, 20151 votes

AD Blitz.

Blitzcrank

MrPerson10Mar 17, 20153 votes

AD blitz cannot deal consistent damage to a bruiser or tank and instead gets deleted in a 1v1, he cannot kite while dealing any damage and isn't tanky at all if you build him in a way that does deal decent AD damage.

Try again

Spikeman71Mar 17, 20151 votes

How to Blitz kite.

Q>>R>E>W

Pull them in, immediate Ult, knock em up, and Increase attack and movement speed. Zephyr and berserker greaves give you enough attack speed to beat the crap out of the adc.

For kiting you E and W to dish out a few punches and run away until E cooldown stops. Youmuus also help kite.

item 3172 item 3143 item 3074 item 3075 item 3142 item 3006

Believe it or not this actually is Op.

Each item has its own kiting passive.

Randuin = slow Zephyr/Youmuus = increased movement speed Rav = cleave for damage Thornmail/Randuins = adc harms and slows themselves by attacking you.

MrPerson10Mar 17, 20151 votes

How exactly are you supposed to kite a Sion ? Nasus ? Riven ?

That works for an ADC, sure - but who is going to chase down a Blitz with thornmail?

Spikeman71Mar 17, 20151 votes

Well I was reffering to this

"I challenge you to name one tank that can not only kite, but also have utility, deal consistent damage and be able to delete an ADC in potentially two hits."

AD Blitz does work against riven. Havent tried it against Sion/Nasus yet.

MrPerson10Mar 17, 20151 votes

who can

kite anyone
have utility against anyone
deal consistent damage against anyone
delete ADC in two hits.

4 separate points that only some ADCs can fill.

RawMar 17, 20151 votes

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Spikeman71Mar 17, 20151 votes

Just sit under the turret and grab. When she dashes you E.

Why say kid either. Im 19 and probably older than you.

Sincerely yours,

Suck My Ass.

RawMar 17, 20151 votes

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Spikeman71Mar 17, 20151 votes

If that's been the best part of your life.

Drink up.

dumnghotiMar 17, 20151 votes

Well, in our game it was Riven. She would Q>Q>Q in for mobility (No damage was done), double R, dash, stun, AA once and the adc was deleted, then her Q was up and she'd hop over a wall. She had over 2.5k health judging by the bars in her health meter. She did a similar thing to the bruiser top. We kept ourselves warded, waiting to ambush her. She'd escape every 3+v1 and once even ended up Quadraing a 3v1 + 1v1 and ending with almost full health.

But Im not specifically QQing about Riven. People let Nasus farm his Q so often it's retarded, I never see a Nasus successfully shut down, and he's able to build full tank+CDR while still dealing insane damage. And he needs to escape? Wither wither wither on 3 second cooldown.

Sejuani with a Liandries torment, AP runes, the rest of his build pure tank, decimated a 4v1 alone in one of my ranked matches.

Vi? I don't think I need to defend Vi, she matches all of your criteria just mentioning her name.

Shyvana, though this time on our team, 5v1'd a team with 3 full health, and penta'd. She doesn't fit all of your criteria, but she is still scary, does insane damage, and can't be killed if played properly.

JubbinautMar 17, 20151 votes

Care to share the match history? I'm curious about what kind of build that was.

dumnghotiMar 17, 20151 votes

I edited and added to that post. The Riven I'm assuming? http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/58159880#matches

Seriously, when you can jump into a 3v1, be focused, kill more than one of them, and still live with more than half health? That's a problem. I am not saying she's inherently OP, which to me means she has too much damage, but she has every thing besides a silence (I argue that a knockup is a silence, though). Riven's only real weakness is her summoner not playing her intelligently.

JubbinautMar 17, 20151 votes

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I edited and added to that post. The Riven I'm assuming? http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/58159880#matches

I was asking for the specific Match History of that game - a Summoner profile for someone else doesn't much help me, especially when you're not posting on the account you played that game as, since I can't simply look for matches with you and that account to find what I'm looking for.

dumnghotiMar 17, 20151 votes

Okay, okay, chill out, I'll give you what you want bro. It wasn't my game, it was a game I was spectating. http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1763003613/219323269?tab=overview

JubbinautMar 17, 20151 votes

I hope you'll forgive my confusion, then. After all you stated "Well, in our game it was Riven," which strongly implies you were part of the game.

That said, looking at that game, I don't understand how you refer to a champion who built 3 raw damage items (for a total of 205 bonus AD from items alone) as a "tank."

MrPerson10Mar 17, 20151 votes

2.5k isn't much health, and you shouldn't be surprised that a Riven with a single defensive item was able to assassinate your backline and get out - she was likely running item 3102 as a defensive.

Also, wither's only a 7 second CD with 40%CDR.

dumnghotiMar 17, 20151 votes

Son, are you arguing against your own criteria? You asked me to provide for you a champion and I did, you can't argue now. Your argument was completely shut down. Don't provide criteria and then try to dismiss my entry that perfectly matches everything you wanted. Look at this match history: http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/58159880#matches

She wasn't able to "assassinate [my] backline], she was able to assassinate any 1v1, 1v2, or 1v3 that she wasn't too bored to hop into.

MrPerson10Mar 17, 20151 votes

And you point-blank argued against your own words in your own post.

allowed to build tank

2.5k health judging by the bars in her health meter.

We'll assume that since you mentioned 2.5k, it's approximately there. That's far from the amount of health a tank would have.

She didn't build tank in any of the games there, she bought late-game defensive items.

She's still an assassin with 1-2 defensive items.

Please learn the difference before you QQ needlessly.

Edit: hell, your link is actually perfect for this reason: his Nasus game is the perfect example of a bruiser. His riven playstyle is as a fighter.

dumnghotiMar 17, 20151 votes

QQing is to express yourself, usually in a whining manner.. you either believe QQing is needless period, or you believe it's never needless as it serves the aforementioned purpose.

I didn't mean to call her a "tank," I meant to call her "Tanky," meaning even when she was focused, she was a bitch to peel. Which she was. I'm sorry that you couldn't infer that. Hoping into a 3v1 should be suicidal unless you have an instant escape like leblanc or no one is focusing you. But when three champions are chasing you, you turn around and are able to kill one and hope away with no damage taken, I think "tanky" is a legitimate adjective.