As the title says, I am debating on my main role. I mained support in s3 and adc in s4...now I just don't know what I want to play for s5. I have done a lot of ADC but I feel like I don't have the skills I need to become godly as an ADC. Any suggestions on a role to try out, plz keep in mind that I suck worse than everything as a mage or assassin. I'm more of a bruiser/fighter/tank player when I'm not running ADC.
AyRe CoNteMpT2 voteswell you are bronze so you dont have the skills to become godly with ANY champ or role. in league of legends, patience is the most important thing. patience and careful positioning. greed and the desire to be cool are the absolute downfall, so if you want to learn the game, ESPECIALLY marksman, you have to practice being super patient and CHILL and whenever you feel, in your brain, in your body, the desire to "do" something, sit back, take a deep breath and recall that you are playing this game to win, not to be cool. you need to chill 100% to win. that goes for EVERY CHAMPION IN EVERY ROLE, but some champions forgive hasty plays to an extent while marksmen never do. if you get hasty, if you fuck up, if you lose your cool, you will lose the game for your team and it will be your fault and only yours.
the BIGGEST PROBLEM in league is that its basics are very obvious. almost too obvious, so nobody actually realizes them, especially not marksmen. they think like "Omg i need godly mechanics i need this i need that omg no peel" but while you also need all that, it makes up only about 10% of what you need. the rest is gamesense and CHILL.
if you start playing less retarded and more relaxed and stop suiciding all the time (whenver you die and its not as the last person in a teamfight, it means you lost your cool and positioned like total shit) you will be diamond 5 in no-time.
Zyorhist1 votesActually I am pretty chill, and when I say godly I don't mean going on a spree, I mean doing my role to the best of my capabilities. As I said I am very relaxed, I rarely get mad and I rarely blame others for my positioning. The only "omg no peel" I ever have is when I see an assassin walk right past 2 or 3 cc engines to the back line and no one turns to stop them (I'm not talking about a jump or anything, I mean when they literally walk past). But otherwise I am really relaxed. I know the importance of farming and trading but for some reason I struggle to do it.
I would like to note though that you pointed out me being bronze, I'd like to counter that with the fact that I have been silver before, but I stopped playing so serious and was very casual for a long period. That being said I'm not an idiot or crap scrub just because I'm bronze, I have gold and plat players that I run with who constantly tell me that I have the makings of a good player just need practice in certain areas.
AyRe CoNteMpT1 votesif you were pretty chill, trust me, you would be diamond 5. seems like you are just not chill enough
Zyorhist1 votesWell opinions aside I would like input on if I should switch roles or maintain my practice of adc
AyRe CoNteMpT2 votesclarify "should" please. "should" for what?
also, you explain some things that are exactly what i mean with "not chilling".
you say you know the importance of trading. then please, explain to me what the importance of trading is. i would really like to know.
also, trust me, everyone in bronze silver gold plat and diamond are the same people. they all "just" need practice in certain areas to climb, i have literally gold friends who have mechanics i have never seen from diamond players. still they are silver and gold, why is that? because they dont understand the damn game.
and THAT is the problem with ALL mainstream players. even the diamond ones. they are there because "good mechnanics" or whatnot but they arent there because they understood how exactly to play the game and do that in a solid way every game. to do that, you need to CHILL. chilling is a synonym for not pressuring yourself to "do" things. all you need to do in league is to get gold as fast and safe as possible. the gold comes to you by default. it either walks into your base or spawns in your jungle, you dont need to "do" anything for it.
you can pick good, strong, solid champions and just get gold until you are strong. champions are strong at different points, so know the strong points of your champion and then use them. in a CHILL way. dont put yourself in unneccessary risks of losing this or that to hit a missile with corki. you dont need to fire that rocket in the first place.
like best example is yesterdays LCS game between SK and Elements. really it will sound weird to say this now, but both teams literally sucked so hard, i would instantly fire them. the only one who did pretty good, at least in the game because i cant hear their voicechat, was freddy from SK. he actually was impressive compared to the others but every other of the 9 players was GARBAGE and i doubt they only played like that this game. they just have no idea about the game really, thats why they will never beat good asian teams.
sure they can fuck around against some noob european teams and stuff, because "good mechanics" and "good communication" and "good rotations" n stuff, but against a real team who really knows what they are doing, it isnt even close. NOT EVEN CLOSE.
i would say, origen is probably the only team in EU remotely showing proficiency in what league really is. really, go watch that game. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6C7_Im_064
i will give you a quick example. it was the first thing that almost made me cry: gnar is 1/1/0 and shen is 0/0/2 if i recall correctly, and some fight is about to happen in botlane. gnar is 90% of megaform and what they SHOULD do is communicate "hey guys, gnar will fuck you all so dont fucking fight" but they went for it anyways and there was no helping it. gnar teleported in and DESTROYED them because thats what happens when you try to fuck with a mega gnar.
sure gnar can keep up his 90% forever and shen cant stop him from teleporting because if he taunts into him just to stop him, he will die. this means, they can never do a fight on botlane, right? right. they cant, so they should know that from champ select and just DONT. there is no reason to do anything here.
then, elements got even further ahead due to some really stupid things and have a solid lead. then, i dont remember the exact moment, they threw it all away by forcing themselves to do things and SK gets back into the game and i was happy about it because freddy was the only player who remotely deserves a win here. i think the situation was when gnar was at 90% fury and then somehow decided to attack an inner turret that his team couldve killed in 0,5 seconds more and got mega so he didnt have mega for the following teamfight and that basically lost them everything.
okay so SK got back and they snowballed BIG TIME. the game was over 100%. no comeback chance for EL anymore. what a rape, EL will feel so bad now. and then SK started to get caught and caught and caught and with caught i mean 2 people literally going to give free kills over and over again. like WHY WOULD YOU EVEN BE THERE. you are so strong, enemy team cant fight you anymore. so stay together and CHILL HARD, game is won by default at that point.
but they pressured themselves to "end" or something or didnt realize how far ahead they were, so they kept fucking up and they kept disrespecting mega gnar and they threw the game badly. but the real throw only happened later. SK was still miles ahead and the ONLY THING EL can do is bait them into mega gnar AGAIN like fucking DOGS you lure with a bone. so they went for baron and if SK takes that baron fight, they will lose 100000%.
what other options does SK have?
its a free win in all of those scenarios and there is nothing EL can do. the ONLY THING is they can hope and pray that SK will stand up, walk to their player desk and say "hey, we just feel like surrendering". and thats exactly what they did. they tried to "contest" that baron and dove in with their "frontline" that easily got peeled while mega gnar got a game winning ultimate on everyone else. GG. they lost this game not only once but multiple times. this goes to show HOW FAR AHEAD they really were in the first place, so that they could lose like 3 big fights and a baron and still be ahead. but that fourth fight PLUS the baron, that was too much. EL just ended the game before respawns. if they HAD NOT ENDED, SK would STILLLLLLLLLLLL be ahead. freddy must have killed himself after this game. or maybe he made those bad calls and im just hyping him for no reason. i woulda LOVED to hear the team voicechat for that game.
this shows, no it PROVES to you that even LCS teams are nothing more than some normal, random people who have no idea about the ACTUAL game. same for coaches.
and the best part, really the BEST PART was the winner-interview with whoever his name was. he was elements coach before and now hes their player. and he was asked why did they win, and he literally said "he just outscaled them". no joke. he said that. and HE IS A COACH AND A PLAYER. he should really know better but he was serious about it. and im 100% sure thats what SKs coach is going to tell them too. standard phrases you hear 100 times every LCS game
"misscommunication" "outscaled" "outplayed" "nice catch"
and tons of other bullshit that makes noobs like you and your friends (no offense i swear) believe these things. the commentators in lcs dont make you better at the game, they make you worse. they literally destroy every foundation to learn the game, but they dont do it intentionally, they do it because they have no clue.
what im saying is, SK lost the game because they tried to "do" things while the reason they actually came back was because they did nothing and just countered EL's needless suicidal aggression. tho EL wasnt ahead enough to say the game was over.
god, really, this community just makes me so sad. like i explain this to you now, but you will probably just say "omg you criticize LCS teams what do you know about the game omg" and i will have wasted 15 minutes writing this shit ;D
Zyorhist1 votesDue to the extreme length of your post I will have to reply to sections of it as I re-read it. So if my flow in my reply is lacking please understand. That said, here goes. What I mean by should is would it be more beneficial for me to switch roles to something that plays a little closer to what I think like. Meaning, yes I am capable of playing my role as an adc, but at the same time I feel I have faster reflexes and play better all around when I'm running more of a tank. I only play ADC because I wanted to learn the mechanics of it and decided I rather like it and never went back, but honestly I have no preference either way.
As far as the trading portion of you post, when you say I need to learn the importance of trading, trust me I do know what I means to trade. It isn't simply attacking an opponent, it isn't simply getting damage onto them. Its finding an opportunity to get damage onto them without providing them a window to give damage back, and not taking creep damage either. It also means when they do trade back you give them as little chance as possible to deal damage to you. It also means being patient in lane and not getting bloodlust on them. The reason I struggle with this is because when I'm running ADC I still find myself looking too hard at the farm and watching for ganks to respond in time to opportunities to trade in my favor. I can effectively farm 70 CS under pressure during a game without much problem, but I generally get traded out and have to leave lane because I don't respond in time to atleast even the trade out.
When you talk about not pressuring myself to "do" things know that I don't. I focus on my job and that is all, I don't criticize others on their job and I don't pretend to know what they are dealing with in their lanes. Just because a mid laner is 0/5 doesn't mean they are playing poorly. They could have 100 farm up on their opponent and therefore be out playing them. The enemy jungler may have 3 of those 5 kills meaning that their mid laner is far from powerful. But I don't mention anything to them about it, I just start noting who will be the power spike during a team fight. I don't push enemy towers or force dragons unless I know the enemy can't do anything about it. I base when they base to stay up on their build. I don't try to make plays but I will punish those who make bad judgments against me. I don't assume anyone is alone unless I can see the entire enemy team and I don't chase anyone into fog. I am very patient in the game and I don't blame others for my being bronze. So when you say don't try to "do" things, really, I do when I know they cant do anything to me for it. Otherwise I just sit back and wait for them to try to "do" things.
As far as picking "good, strong, solid champs" I don't worry about what is meta or what is op. I play what I know feels right to me and what I know will work for me. I played MF when she was "weak as ****" and still held a 65% win rate for season 4. Also in season 4 I held a 56.3% winrate with Quinn as adc and even still no one thinks she is capable of being adc. So no I don't worry about what is strong or op, I worry about what I know and what I can play. That is why I created this post, maybe I should play tanks and bruisers because I think they feel better for how I play, but I know I can be good as adc as well.
Your argument with the LCS players means little to me because I think they are all lucky to be where they are. Some are amazing players and some are simply good players, but either way I don't think there is much that they do that is better than other players. They just happen to be trying to make a career out of their play. And it is a job to them.
Your argument about how they played is more effective for me, which is actually something I would like to bring up. When I see my team fighting in front of dragon pit when he still has 3 min to be up I do think to myself "Why are you fighting here, there is nothing to gain from the fight." Nonetheless I will support them because I don't want my enemy team to end up with free kills, I try to punish them for taking us on. Sometimes I come out better off sometimes I get stupid and get caught. I just think to myself, I tried and that's the best I could have done. If I know they were dead and I wouldn't be able to do much I just go back to tower instead of trying to get in on it. When we push down and inhib instead of forcing a rush on the inner turrets I ask people to find another lane to push. Its much more effective to secure a game with more than 1 inhib down than it is to try to rush nexus just because there is a single inhib down. If there is an open objective that can't be contested I will try to get that taken but I wont work it if they can contest. And when I mean contest I don't mean 1 enemy I mean actually make a worthy fight over it. Most of the time I see their jungler try to stop us from dragon when there are 4 of us or something. Their jungler dies, we get the kill and the dragon. Sometimes their mid then tries too and we get a second kill out of it. They couldn't contest the 4 of us with their 1 or 2 people. That is what I mean by uncontested.
Communication is a very big part of the game and I try to get people into my CV call or Skype before game but that rarely happens. I don't try to worry about what is said if it is negative, and I usually just brush it off. I will try to talk down whoever is being negative and constantly try to get a strategy going amongst my team. These are things I work for and why I have never had so much as a warning in my 5 years of playing.
As far as your closing statement, I really do appreciate your input and maybe you would like to see me play because its really just mechanics I need to work on. Map awareness and noting where people are more often. I don't try to make things happen and I don't really get thirsty. So yea I'm not your average player.
Edit: here is an example of my game play. Keep in mind its a norms game and I'm just messing around. But I play carefully until I see an opportunity. I saw their one person who could fight me get low enough for me to kill so I took him out, then proceeded to clean up the others with Jayce's help. I went for Cait just because I wanted to land the penta. If it had been ranked or I had been playing more seriously I would have looked for objectives that were open.
AyRe CoNteMpT1 votesokay, ill try to do the same as your reply is pretty long too, i like that ;D
this means, mathematically, a good adc player has a higher winrate. so, for climbing, play adc.
trading = both parties take damage/use cooldowns and a good trade is where you invest less resources and he invests more. poking = inflicting free damage to enemies without them being able to retaliate. a good example for botlane is when you play caitlyn, whenever your enemy is trying to lasthit a minion, you use their auto-attack animation time, in which they are basically stunned, to attack them once and back off. if their support doesnt take care of you during that time, its free and thus counts as poke.
poke should ALWAYS be taken when possible and safe while trades should ONLY be taken if it works towards a certain goal (i.e you both lose 50% hp but your combo does 50% of his hp while his combo only does 40% so you know you can kill him in your next combo safely, or your jungler wants to dive with you so you prepare your laner to be diveable.)
staying full HP at all times is very important because it gives enemies little room to do "plays" on you. also, its important to respect enemies strength. if you notice your enemy leblanc has pretty good mechanics, there is no need to try and poke him or risk a bad trade. you know you are better and you play smarter and he will fuck up later even if he is a good laner. "winning lane" is a myth. you won lane if you didnt show weakness so they are automatically pressured mentally and dont know your true powers.
the part where you talk about "doing" things, its all true what you say. thats how league should be played. if you really play like that, its basically impossible to stay in bronze and if you REALIZE all that in your game, i would say you are at least diamond 1, but then again, in theory its always easy to say while implementing all those things into ones game is another story.
i agree on your opinion on "progamers".
i WOULD like to see you play or even play some games with you. do you have another lvl 30 account on NA that has some runes? if yes, just add me in skype (Finfu-) and lets play some. if no, still add me and i spectate with a lvl 1 account.
Zyorhist1 votesI have an euw account that is like level 5, a level 30 account that is bronze (this account) on NA, and a level 15ish account on NA that I only use for helping my new player friends. That being said I stream when I can, but right now I don't have my own internet so I cant usually stream as my friend's net is really bad. If you want to spectate I will add you in NA or if you would rather see my lower level account on euw I can update my client for it.
My ign Zyorhist (lvl 30 NA) DivaEin (low level NA) Zyorhist (low level EUW deactivated currently)
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Zyorhist1 votesBTW I'm not the one who down voted this post...I actually up voted it
Lexilulu1 votesTo be honest Adcing doesn't take much skill at all. Really all you need to do is practice farming, trading, and synchronizing with your support. I mained bot lane last season and I myself am expanding other roles I'm not the best at.l..Top lane and jungle. (although I do play a little bit of mid lane^.^~) I Learned better mechanics from playing a lot of Syndra. So i'd practice high skill cap champions to get better. Although from what you've said You sound like you like play top laners ^.^ I personally really like Gnar because hes a fighter but also a tank. No matter how behind in laning you are with him you are still very important to team fights and great for setting up those awesome 4-5 man stuns as well as cutting off running enemies!^.^
Zyorhist1 votesMy biggest issue with running ADC is that I have played Leo, Thresh, Sej, Trundle, and Shen so much when I was learninig the game that I'm kinda ingrained to take opportunity engages when I see them, and as ADC it usually gets me killed and when I try to not do that I end up doing something else stupid. That's why I was thinking about going to top/jungle/support play again. I don't know but it's what I'm thinking and was wanting more input.