To all Velkoz who just plays him as support just for the Arclight skin

BeatzBoyFTW·Feb 9, 2015·22 votes·3,900 views

Buy a fking , don't just try to show it off to us while being useless despite having the damage.

46 Comments

Michel4ngel0Feb 9, 20155 votes

Just wait for the DJ Sona release...

bradFeb 9, 20153 votes

more like:

play him mid and dont build a rylais

Blazing TenshiFeb 9, 201510 votes

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more like:

play him mid and dont build a rylais

Rylai's procs at its full slow on his passive, it is a great luxury item to help is already great kiting against champs that don't have a million gap closers. His ult increases from a 20% slow to nearly a 50% slow.

bradFeb 9, 20152 votes

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Rylai's procs at its full slow on his passive, it is a great luxury item to help is already great kiting against champs that don't have a million gap closers. His ult increases from a 20% slow to nearly a 50% slow.

you know what else is a great luxury item

fucking deathcap

also another tip skip the morellos, you dont need it, just buy like one mana pot

i swear if i see another velkoz get first blood and come back to lane with item 3114 im gonna shoot myself in the foot

A little PeepoFeb 9, 20155 votes

Most velkoz players don't build death cap nor do they build mage on him. They usually go liandries, sorc boots, void, rylais, banshees and maybe another tank item. Building ap on velkoz is nice but building magic pen is a lot better and velkoz has pretty low ap ratio that rushing ap on him doesn't really do much since his damage mainly comes from that amazing passive and ult.

bradFeb 9, 20151 votes

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Most velkoz players don't build death cap nor do they build mage on him. They usually go liandries, sorc boots, void, rylais, banshees and maybe another tank item. Building ap on velkoz is nice but building magic pen is a lot better and velkoz has pretty low ap ratio that rushing ap on him doesn't really do much since his damage mainly comes from that amazing passive and ult.

i realize that most players dont, and i also realize that they should

source: i actually play velkoz mid

A little PeepoFeb 10, 20152 votes

And this is coming from someone that plays him mid lane not bot lane like the OP states. If mage velkoz works for you then that's great but that doesn't make magic pen/tanky velkoz any weaker than ur glass cannon build.

Tbh there isn't much of a damage difference between both builds but there is a huge difference between their survivability. That is why most people prefer tanky velkoz or mage and why riot reverted the changes they were working on velkoz on the pbe :)

Oh and fyi your build isn't much different than the tanky velkoz one. The only difference is you are taking a death cap over something more beefy and without the tear in there.

bradFeb 10, 20151 votes

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And this is coming from someone that plays him mid lane not bot lane like the OP states. If mage velkoz works for you then that's great but that doesn't make magic pen/tanky velkoz any weaker than ur glass cannon build.

Tbh there isn't much of a damage difference between both builds but there is a huge difference between their survivability. That is why most people prefer tanky velkoz or mage and why riot reverted the changes they were working on velkoz on the pbe :)

Oh and fyi your build isn't much different than the tanky velkoz one. The only difference is you are taking a death cap over something more beefy and without the tear in there.

did you even read the part where i said

more like:

play him mid and dont build a rylais

i was under the assumption that that was what we were talking about

and i would hope that you dont base your entire argument off assumptions, because the assumption that the damage difference is minimal is fucking ridiculous

also tear is bad

aaronconlinFeb 9, 20153 votes

Why not build morellonomicon? I typically build it and I've never had any mana problems on vel

SkiasFeb 9, 20151 votes

He also stacks tear at an incredible rate. I build liandries into archangels. Sorc, then whatever you feel you need at that point. They have no mr? Cap. High mr? Void. Need tankiness and kite? Rylais. No one build works everytime. Gotta be smart.

Blazing TenshiFeb 10, 20151 votes

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you know what else is a great luxury item

fucking deathcap

also another tip skip the morellos, you dont need it, just buy like one mana pot

i swear if i see another velkoz get first blood and come back to lane with im gonna shoot myself in the foot

For mid lane Vel.

Deathcap is a core item not a luxury item.

Core item = must have in build and usually within your first 3 items.

Luxury item = would be great to have but not optimal every game, usually bought later on in the game.

bradFeb 10, 20151 votes

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For mid lane Vel.

Deathcap is a core item not a luxury item.

Core item = must have in build and usually within your first 3 items.

Luxury item = would be great to have but not optimal every game, usually bought later on in the game.

yes that is what we are talking about

mid velkoz

may i direct you to the first thing i wrote in this thread

A little PeepoFeb 9, 20151 votes

Slows don't stack, especially rylais. The highest slow gets applied first, that would be hella broken on someone like nunu with rylais and his snowball.

Blazing TenshiFeb 10, 20151 votes

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Slows don't stack, especially rylais. The highest slow gets applied first, that would be hella broken on someone like nunu with rylais and his snowball.

Slows stack at a diminishing return. http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Movement_speed#Slow_stacking

The 20% slow on Vel's ult really isn't much but even increasing it to 40% gives it much more utility in team fights on top of its great damage. For comparison Braum's ult has a 40% slow at rank 1 and Lissandra's ult has a 45% slow at rank 2, these are both utility ults that are usually meant to be followed up by someone else's damage (unless you are like full burst Liss, RIP DFG). While Vel's ult doesn't have the hard cc of pure utility ults and the slow is a bit lower the extra slow makes his pure damage ult much more threatening all on its own and in team fights where other can take advantage of the slow as well.

A little PeepoFeb 10, 20151 votes

Oh yeah the diminishing returns, i forgot about those xD nice looking out there :)

aaronconlinFeb 9, 20154 votes

Why not? It gives him health, AP, and as Blazing Tenshi said, procs the full slow with his passive. It also has great synergy with Liandry's

oxygen banditFeb 9, 20151 votes

because nomicon, deathcap, zhonya's, and rod of ages are in the game and if liandry's is also a terrible item, especially if you're trying to build around it. absolutely no reason to upgrade until you're eight slotted

insaiyanbaccaFeb 9, 20152 votes

roa is bad on vel and nomicon is only really a good buy for vel if they have like mundo or volibear

aaronconlinFeb 9, 20155 votes

I've never seen any velkoz build rod of ages.

aaronconlinFeb 10, 20152 votes

item 3020 item 3165 item 3089 item 3151 item 3116 item 3102 item 3157 Typical build includes 6 of these

ZazushaFeb 9, 20153 votes

oh please. Sightstones are for leesin jungle.

Infiny MageFeb 9, 20152 votes

I think that's what annoys me most about people going damage supports. I can care less what you build. Just please get a damn sight stone. Not just for the laning phase. Because it IS possible to survive laning phase easily without it. But when all these skirmishes and team fights start breaking out, lack of vision can/will be disastrous. Yes the team will help ward. Pinks here and there and the trinkets help. But that's just 1 ward as opposed to the 3 you can place when you get a damn sightstone.

SinlaireFeb 9, 20152 votes

OH DEAR GOD PLEASE MOAR THIS.

honestly. 2 games ago i go team builder as a Riven with a LeeSin jg, Ahri mid and Sivir adc.

i say we need a tank supp. ahri says, "we take the first that comes along because i dont want to wait." me "...." we get a Velkoz who then tells both Lee Sin and I that WE have to build tanky because he wanted to take our tanky supp position and ahri didnt want to wait for better.

we're up against Mordekaiser Annie KogMaw Nami JarvanIV

20 minute mark. im 3/5/2 with item 3155 item 3082 item 1057 item 1011 enemy KogMaw is sitting at 19 kills and Velkoz is raging at Lee sin and I asking why we're not building tanky.... Riven and Lee sin are 1 of 5? 6? champs in the entire game that only scale off AD and have some of the highest ratios in the game, every item i own is tanky, and he's asking why the 19/2 Kog is melting our faces because we suck at life. Meanwhile he has 0 defence items, no sight stone, and is building straight AP with no supp item.

get out of my support pool until you find a dictionary and are capable of understanding the meaning of the word SUPPORT. until then, i'll be dodging every team builder game that looks even remotely sketchy from now own since this game was followed by a crushing loss with a support Fiddlesticks .

ShogunaiFeb 9, 20151 votes

First of all you can't be for so pissed, he probably played Vel because he isn't technically a support champion. Even in utility mastery set he deals a crazy amount of damage. He probably wanted mid lane which was already taken by your Ahri.

I'm a support main so a sightsone is one of those mandatory rush items in very game, standard issue as you will. I find it hilarious when I'm laned against supports without it an they are the first to complain about bot lane being camped.

It sucks for your game, an that you got a crappy support, better luck next game.

SinlaireFeb 9, 20152 votes

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First of all you can't be for so pissed, he probably played Vel because he isn't technically a support champion. Even in utility mastery set he deals a crazy amount of damage. He probably wanted mid lane which was already taken by your Ahri.

I'm a support main so a sightsone is one of those mandatory rush items in very game, standard issue as you will. I find it hilarious when I'm laned against supports without it an they are the first to complain about bot lane being camped.

It sucks for your game, an that you got a crappy support, better luck next game.

lol. yeah. it was Team Builder and not Blind Pick so he probably chose supp to get a game faster than waiting for a mid spot. I also main Leona when i supp becuase i'm actually a JG/Supp main and was just trying out my new Riven (was my first game with her. fresh from the dealership) and Sightstone is like my #2 item right after I get Targon's. i ward every corner of bot lane like i don't even want an ant to have a shadow then get mean on the enemy ADC.

usually works wonders for promoting a snowballing adc or atleast preventing the lane from getting rolled if we're struggling and the enemy JG is being a nuisance.

ShogunaiFeb 9, 20151 votes

Yeah, support queues are nice so can't be for so pissed with that guy, but leave the supporting to the supports. I play Vel as support sometimes, mostly in ranked because he is easy to carry in the roll especially if the ADC is struggling an can turn into a monstrous APC mid game. Even then tho, my fight buy is a sightstone but eh to each their own. If you want a support look me up, that's all I play really, more fun making plays then running around playing Call of Duty.

Sáx ManFeb 9, 20152 votes

A good support will buy a sightstone no matter what champion they're playing. The one(s) you encountered that didn't buy it probably don't normally play that role.

Vel koz is my favorite support. I use the arclight skin and I buy sightstone in-game. I also ward more than the enemy support in most of my games.

I guess that means the message isn't directed at me, and I understand how frustrating it is when people dont ward, but if you ask most people will oblige.

kDrakariFeb 10, 20152 votes

Vel'koz needs Sightstone more than other Supports, because he only has one eye and needs a second just to keep up with the vision that most other champions have by default. Don't even get me started on Yi and Jax!

BeatzBoyFTWFeb 10, 20152 votes

LeeSin

KiseFeb 9, 20151 votes

both are good answers

HlkTFeb 9, 20151 votes

Don't need sightstone to keep lane safely warded for the duration of laning phase as a damage support

BeatzBoyFTWFeb 9, 20159 votes

This is how all teams with selfish support loses.

Antemos XaosFeb 9, 20153 votes

While this may be true if you continually spend money on wards every back... its just easier and more cost efficient to build item 2049

EleshakaiFeb 9, 20152 votes

{quoted}

Don't need sightstone to keep lane safely warded for the duration of laning phase as a damage support

You don't need one, but if you don't get one you're an idiot.

AerothalFeb 9, 20153 votes

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Don't need sightstone to keep lane safely warded for the duration of laning phase as a damage support

you never took the 30 secs it takes to figure out at what point sightstone amortizes itself, did you? Apart from the additional health it gives you which lets you poke more because you can eat more damages, Sightsone gives you vision which secures objectives and kills and protects you. There is no disadvantage in building it. Vision is an offensive utility.

SkiasFeb 9, 20151 votes

There is a massive disadvantage. Its incredibly slot inefficient. You can easily buy your wards normally and protect yourself just fine. SoloQ players rarely kill wards.

BeatzBoyFTWFeb 10, 20152 votes

If wards purchasing actually kills you a lot, GO MID. AP power lies in that lane, support is where you offer your visions & simple CC to grant advantage power to your team, not a back-up plan for mid-reject losers.

JubbinautFeb 10, 20151 votes

Holy crap. I actually had to look up a word! That's awesome!

... Confusing, though.

GaleWinUnleashedFeb 9, 20152 votes

This is why it's so easy to beat damage supports when I'm playing Janna.

SkiasFeb 9, 20151 votes

Good lane and minion management means you arent humping their tower, thus the wards your get for free and purchase are more than enough.

GaleWinUnleashedFeb 9, 20151 votes

Most of the time high-damage supports get overconfident and try to dive us, or they push just a little too far and get ganked. Not all the time, but quite often.

BeatzBoyFTWFeb 10, 20151 votes

I don't think lane phasing lasts for more than 30 minutes....

SkiasFeb 24, 20151 votes

Obviously doesn't play SoloQ.

LarasoFeb 9, 20151 votes

Battlecast looks better anyways. The sound and particle effects on arclight look better, but as for the actual character model itself, Battlecast comes out on top IMO.

GaleWinUnleashedFeb 9, 20151 votes

You are more than entitled to you opinion, then =P

I personally love both skins, though I think the filter on Battlecast's voice could be toned down a bit.

CataclysmCrashFeb 10, 20151 votes

sightstone is core for support. If you don't buy one you're cancer.

Not to mention Vel can just rush a punch of pen and do huge damage early-mid. Plus you need those wards to not get fucked by ganks, meaning a soul stealer won't be out of the question if you're crushing lane.