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League ranked > Overwatch ranked

Jeanne fan club·7/3/2016, 5:53:52 PM·163 votes·11,342 views

Just tried a few overwatch ranked games. In over 70% I had an afk, and was docked a whole point for every game I had an afk. There is absolutely no chance to win in a 5v6. At least in League you have the possibility to win 4v5 assuming you are good enough to get fed and win your lane. Leagues afk punishment system is so much more respected than Overwatches afk punishment system.

Oh, and those premades that everyone seems to complain about? Yeah now you get to play against 6 as a solo, so lol. And its even more important to have good communication in overwatch, because most characters cant do anything on their own, at least if they are playing for the objective.

Every issue that gets complained about on this boards is present in Overwatches ranking system. Out of the 800+ games ive played this season in Ranked, I have only had about 20 afks. I can't speak for everyone but I know for sure that there is a lot less of an afk problem in this game than there is in Overwatch.

I understand that ranked has only been out for about 4 days now and that Blizzard are still tweaking their ranked system, but as of right now I feel that leagues ranking system is much less toxic than Overwatches. And that's saying A LOT.

EDIT: It really bothers me the amount of players who went to overwatch but come to these boards to hate on this game. I know that i'm calling out overwatch, but there are so many old leaugers who lurk on these boards to promote overwatch.

I really think that in a few months Overwatch will have the same problem league has, a community that never stops complaining, and is never happy. I honestly think that league can be good with the matchmaking it has right now. but I really think that Riot needs to start asking the community for concept Ideas for champion reworks in order to create more uniqueness. Right now It feels like champions fall into a heirarchy of "which tank does the most damage" or "which Mid has the most dps". If every single champion had a more distinct "niche" Then I could see League bouncing back.

EDIT: #2 After reading these comments, I can see that the people here really just want League to die already. People coming out in support of League get instant downvotes by lurkers who quit League. It's depressing really, I come to a League board to talk about how my experience with leagues ranked system is so much better than my experience with Overwatch, And I get hate from overwatch fans, ON A LEAGUE OF LEGENDS BOARD. Dang. Everything is going exactly how I thought It would. And if it keeps going this way, All of the people who hate league will go to Overwatch, complain on those boards and ruin that game too, leaving only the dedicated fans of league playing league. Honestly I can't wait for the next few months. I feel like Riot will have a lot better of a time talking to dedicated fans about this game. I can see it becoming so much more productive to be honest.

The reason this game is losing interest is because of the lack of interaction between the company and the fans. This game could become so much better if the Rioters made more interactions on the boards than they do now. There would be so much more trust in Riot if they would take a minute and at least acknowledge peoples ideas on these boards.

I'm not here to defend Riot, they have clearly made mistakes, the main purpose of this thread was to bring to attention that the grass isn't really greener on the other side. I think its important to understand that my experience is anecdotal. That is the #1 arguement against this post but people would rather flame and rant than use that arguement. The only other arguement is that overwatch is a new game. So what if its a new game? its 2016, so many games with ranking systems have coming out, and they chose something that barely works. I hope they fix it, I would love to play both League and overwatch ranked.

Id like to use this day of popularity to recommend looking in the concepts and creations board, there is some really good stuff in there. The more people who look in there and upvote good ideas, the higher the chance of Riot seeing those things and considering them.

Edit:3 (possibly the last, If I go missing assume I was sacrificed to please the Blizzard gods) WE BROKE 50 UPVOTES FAM, 1.6 K VIEWS LATER LOL. I can only imagine how many downvotes this thread has. Probably best not to think about it to be honest. So my comments have been hunted by angry overwatch cultists (=3) cute

Its funny how many people came back to these boards to argue and downvote people who are in support of League. Like, "you left league for overwatch, why are you still here?" I swear, can't even go to a League of legends board to talk about an issue concerning League (albeit Overwatch as well) without getting mobbed by a swarm of League haters.

I feel like I need to clarify this. Blizzard is a triple A company with ~5x more employees than Riot, and has more years under its belt. They have released ~6 huge successful games with a lot of experience with ranked systems. I find it very odd that Blizzard would use a system that has proven to create hatred and split communities. Surely they must see all the hatred that Dynamic queue creates. Why implement it into their own game? with all the time they put into it they surely must have been able to create something better?.

I understand that both Overwatch and Leagues ranked systems are not set in stone, and can change in the future.

I'm keeping this thread up despite the hatred and negativity in the comment section because it proves my theory 100% true at this point. The toxic people want this game to die. They will argue with people who support League because they don't like league, they just want something new. The dedicated fans of league care very little for these people, and ignore them because they are just trolls.

To all the dedicated fans of league out there, I'm sure that in a couple of months we will have a lot better time interacting with Riot. I am starting to see a lot of people who agree that Riot has been rather separated with the community lately. Only recently have they started making more posts like Leona vs Diana and stuff like that. I really do think that the future for League is bright. Though it may feel like a slump right now, I think that in the near future Riot will be making a greater effort to look for community ideas, and ask for more insight from the dedicated fans of this community. For now, its just important to ignore these trolls.

248 Comments

Wild Wes7/3/2016, 6:18:53 PM67 votes

Gets downvoting saying League ranked is better than Overwatch ranked on LEAGUE boards... What is wrong with you people?

shyv7/3/2016, 6:51:57 PM30 votes

there's a difference between a new game trying to balance out their ranking system that has been out for less than a week, and a game that's like 6 years old deliberately fucking up their already balanced ranking system to appeal to casuals

the only reason you can play with friends in league ranked is because riot profits off of people having league friends. that's it. riot knows they fucked up and they don't care because they're making money.

Xenos111117/3/2016, 7:54:33 PM30 votes

Well guess what.. Overwatch ranked has barely been out for a week. League ranked has been out for 6 years. That's a pretty fucking big difference.

ModCaptainMårvelous7/3/2016, 10:20:10 PM17 votes

For those going "LEAGUE HAS BEEN OUT FOR SIX YEARS OW JUST CAME OUT". Yeah, well, the argument goes both ways:

Overwatch is a 2016 game made by a triple A dev. (Blizzard is fuckin' pro tier at making games) League is a 2009 (2008 for beta?) game made by indie devs with the budget of duct tape, adobe air and dreams.

Which one do you expect to have the better system?

While I feel that OP isn't giving Overwatch as much credit as he should, I do encounter the same problems in Overwatch that I do in League. I don't like it in either game but I feel that Overwatch has problems that could have easily been fixed. League has these problems too but they have much more to fix from their origins.

Vertu7/3/2016, 6:25:17 PM16 votes

This is basically their trial season so if they notice any issues they'll be sure to fix it in future seasons. I haven't had any afks in my games and playing against a pre made in OW isn't as bad as in league because you actually have an Ingame voice chat to put you on the same level as them.

Only Play Darius7/3/2016, 7:38:17 PM14 votes

But overwatch is actually fun.

Spacesuit Spiff7/3/2016, 9:45:22 PM9 votes

The whole point of all these class reworks has been to give everyone a niche. Its basically all riots been talking about. Also about community ideas, i read a bunch of thr comments on that thread repertoir made asking what we wanted from cassio, not surprising that hasnt been tried again.

Komatose7/3/2016, 10:29:23 PM8 votes

I just don't understand why people think they're so high and mighty for "leaving" League to play Overwatch. Overwatch is an FPS game, and I don't care for FPS games, thus I prefer League despite all its flaws. I also don't get the "it's a new ranked system!!" argument either. What does people AFKing and not being punished have to do with it being a new ranked system? I guess Blizzard wants to see how many people do something unfair like AFKing and then they'll decide how to fix it, but OW's ranked system is the same thing as League's and people keep calling it superior. I don't care for the downvotes, I agree with the OP. If you like Overwatch so much, go play it, and let those of us who actually like League play League.

NegusInParis7/3/2016, 9:17:28 PM6 votes

I really like Overwatch, but ranked for Overwatch is much harder to make work. You are really dependant on your team and you can't really "Carry" a game by yourself.

doombotMECHA7/3/2016, 10:15:40 PM6 votes

you cannot win a 4v5, because it quickly becomes a 3v5

devdev4637/3/2016, 9:27:44 PM6 votes

Sc2 and heroes of the storm really left me with the impression that blizzard doesn't know what to do with a competitive game, although hearthstone is a big hit so eh, if overwatch ends up being a hit and not just a fad I'd call it even. But man, they did sc2 so horribly wrong that I would still be very skeptical. The thing about sc2 is that they nailed the feel of game down, it was an amazing game to simply play, exactly like overwatch. But when it came to making a competitive game, blizzard had no idea how to do it properly.

Solari Fortune7/4/2016, 12:50:27 AM5 votes

People left League for overwatch cause Dynamic Queue Guess what, thats in Overwatch as well

Project omen7/3/2016, 10:12:32 PM5 votes

You can't compare Overwatch's ranked system with League's, it doesn't make sense. At least not at the moment. The former still has a lot of room for development, whereas League's system has been going on for years before it gets to the point is stands right now (not gonna tell if it's good or not, because that's not the point). People moving from one game to another and bashing the first has been going on for years, it's not something new. Same with people who complain almost every time a gaming company comes up with a new idea. Unless Riot does something to satisfy the majority of its community, more and more old League players are gonna start quitting and try on "the newer toys that arrived at the store" (Overwatch, in this case).

Marshbouy7/3/2016, 8:56:51 PM4 votes

so true. I love overwatch but it's ranked is garbage.

MonkeyMadness7/4/2016, 5:56:09 AM3 votes

Couple big things you're missing though. First, the reason that premades are getting A LOT more shit here than in Overwatch is that League's ladder has always been based on solo play. Now, group play is encouraged, but the ladder remains the same, and so it is utterly meaningless. Overwatch has yet to really "define" its ranked ladder, as it is so new. I'm guessing that after a couple seasons (which are only 3 months in Overwatch) things will stabilize and ranks will start to make more sense to people and a sensible ladder will be apparent.

The other big thing that you're missing is that OVERWATCH HAS IN GAME VOICE CHAT. If LoL had this feature, then literally no one would be complaining about premade advantage, because the playing field would be virtually level. Voice chat allows a team of solo players to compete fairly evenly with a premade, at least in terms of coordination, especially in Overwatch, where objectives are generally much more simple than in League. You just don't need to coordinate complicating things like double teleport 5 man ganks bot lane in a "push the payload" game of Overwatch.

Finally, the ranked rewards in Overwatch do not provide the same kind of incentive to rank up. Sure, the fancy gold weapon skins are nice, but those have no bearing on your rank. You just need to win games, then cash in the points you accrue to buy them. A bronze 5 equivalent Overwatch player can still get golden weapons on all their favorite heroes, it's just a matter of playing more games.

agbudar7/4/2016, 8:34:45 AM3 votes

the new champion select in ranked actually takes good care of trolls and afk's cuz now it is plain obvious that they are and the system should have an easier time tracking them down. remember a while back when half the new posts were about people getting banned?

the afk's and trolls before that used to be much worse in previous seasons 5 and under. they could get away with a lot more back then