I have finally quit LoL - here's why

Ultimate Snipe·Sep 21, 2015·9 votes·2,566 views

Seriously I love this game, but last night I decided it was the final straw and uninstalled for what I think is the last time (hopefully). Honestly I feel like so many people who play this game can't understand what Riot has produced is a game with the simple purpose of being fun. I do suck at this game, but I see way too many people get angry at the littlest things. Yes, I get frustrated too sometimes, but abusing someone verbally will NOT help them learn. Instead, tell them what they did wrong, or if they know they made a bad mistake, just shrug it off. After all, it's just a game.

Why was last night the last straw? Here is a quick rundown.

My client crashes, Sona says f**k noob jg
Darius is low health while I run from base to try to save him, he walks into a bush without warding and instantly dies, blaming the whole thing on me
Darius, again, is level 17 while I am lvl 15 Jax (my fault for not csing enough), tries to engage on a lvl 18 Mundo and lvl 16 Udyr, both who are very tanky, and expects me to follow him. Says its my fault, but the fact I was underleveld should have been a warning sign to him
I end up 5/7, while my team holds similar scores, and 3 of my teammates attempt to report me for unskilled player, while our Lucian, thank god, is a nice guy. Side note: I do not appreciate people using mental disorder as a form of insult, because you don't know the person behind the screen. You can't judge them by how they play a game.

I admit I made many mistakes, including tower diving Mundo at level 4 and failing, missing a dragon steal, csing horribly, and pulling off only one successful gank. But did I provoke these players with verbal abuse? Not until they did the same to me. Don't even get me started on "KSing". You guys should see the pros play, where no one could care less about trading a kill for an assist. And the worst part? These people know they're toxic. And yet they continue to flame and make people perform worse than they would if they were just left alone.

Anyways that was my last game, and I think I'm done. These people just ruin the game for me. Thank you Riot for making this game and I've had fun playing it but it ruins my mood that people like this can't be removed from the game. It's just disgusting.

Thank you Riot, Ultimate Snipe

56 Comments

Erotic TerroristSep 21, 20154 votes

One of the things, (Here comes the important part) I think, (OH NO ITS AN OPINION! SHUN IT) is the LCS. I think that people would have more fun and enjoy League better if they didn't care about the Meta. I like doing off meta picks, JG, Velkoz Lux Bot. And I have a fun experience. I hate it when I get flamed because I'm not following the meta. But hey, that's just one outsider's opinion

KillstradoSep 21, 20152 votes

Finally something somewhat knowledgeable, take this guys lead and play what you want and let the bad things roll off. Act like sensible humans instead of expecting others too

Remove JungleSep 21, 20151 votes

I love people like you L.

gets buthurt cuz som1 flamed you. get over it bud. there isn't a perfect game out there.

you can do 2 things. Flame them back. or just mute them.

AND PLAY YOUR GAME. Cuz THERE wil be no lol with out those people.

i used to be toxic if som1 was toxic to me. but now idfc i just mute them then go side lanes solo push until my team loses or does somthing right.

The GovernerSep 21, 20156 votes

There are many reasons why many new players quit the game, and one of the reasons is you. You are the kind of guy who shoots people down for wanting to play and enjoy a game stress-free and toxicity-free.

Angry MonsterSep 21, 20156 votes

Then don't play a competitive game. Play a single player game. Stress free is not in the cards. Play to win or dont play.

Riot never promised stress free.

The GovernerSep 21, 20156 votes

So you are implying there is justifiable ground for such atrocious offenses because it's "competitive"? PEOPLE are being flamed in normal games, and some of these people just want to have fun with/without their friends in a NORMAL GAME. This "Play to Win" analogy is nonsensical, especially when you are talking about new players who have no interest in playing competitively in ranked games, and just merely want to have fun in NORMALS.

Don't force the idea of "play to win" in normals onto any players (especially to new players) just because it's a competitive game. There is zero justification in it, especially to people who want to have fun and do not care about winning, unless you are talking about ranked, then that's another issue.

Angry MonsterSep 21, 20152 votes

Sigh the goal of the game is to win. Not to lose. Attempting win is part of the rules

The GovernerSep 21, 20153 votes

Yes it is, of course. But "playing to win" should not be the main focus. Having fun, not at the expense of other players should be first and foremost, and it's also part of the rules, which is followed by "playing to win" in Summoner's Code. There is a heavy emphasis of "anti-toxicity" in the Summoner's Code in case you do not notice.

If people cannot play the game without spouting passive-aggressive or even aggressive comments/insults at other players, they shouldn't even play the game, and should take deep breath and go outside, or even seek help.

Angry MonsterSep 21, 20152 votes

U r wrong. Fun is as byproduct not a way of playing

insaiyanbaccaSep 21, 20154 votes

then i think your doing it wrong lol

The GovernerSep 21, 20151 votes

You totally misread my post. Let me restate this in a different way:

The goal (for you and some people) of playing League of Legends is winning, but under no circumstances you should have fun at the expense of other people. Here, let me quote this for you: at the expense of other people, and that should be first and foremost.

That's a very simple rule and yet I still see a lot of players failing to accomplish that and constantly and rapidly getting more and more toxic towards other people, and that's not just individual cases. It's spreading across the whole community like a contagious disease.

LintheSep 21, 20152 votes

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Sigh the goal of the game is to win. Not to lose. Attempting win is part of the rules

That is YOUR goal... it may not be everyone's goal.

KillstradoSep 21, 20151 votes

God you're blond

The GovernerSep 21, 20154 votes

You can't have a conversation without being passive-aggressive right? Do you have anger issues?

KillstradoSep 22, 20151 votes

You have no idea what passive aggressive means, I just want people to realize there are bigger problems in the world and that no one pays attention if you're nice, be an asshole and they listen, and though you don't agree with me I'll stick in your head longer than you think and ultimately instill some sort of idea in your mind that will make you think for yourself instead of just whining about non issues

The GovernerSep 22, 20151 votes

For the love of Bard, don't post anything regarding toxicity on this Boards again. You are so oblivious about how serious this issue could be. Trying to minimizing it as a non-issue and telling others to shut the hell up about it while using flame-baits like "Oh god you are blond" are not something normal people do unless you are guiilty, and these actions themselves are foolish and obnoxious. By the way, having blond hair doesn't equate to stupidity. This stupid stereotype you asscioated in your above post proves how oblivious you are.

Words and language can cause a lot more issues than physical harm. There are people suiciding because of others' mean insults and flaming in real life and on the Internet! How can you possibly say it's a non-issue when it's clearly an issue, a serious one?

Welocme the League of Legends forum, where toxicity is often asscioated and discussed. The fact that there are more serious issues and problems out there does not give you right to throw a fit at me. It also doesn't mean we cannot discuss about it and should be silent about it. What? You want us to talk about "World Hunger" instead of toxicity in the League of Legends Boards?

KillstradoSep 22, 20151 votes

I can't throw a fit at you personally but you can throw a fit about everyone that plays. You bring up suicide but do nothing about besides mentioning it. Words cause harm because people like you create mountains from mole hills. You think to heavily of what others think and say. Just fucking quit playing and whining and feeling entitled to a perfect world when you do nothing to help. How bout we use the boards for league of legends content and not talk about the people that play it. You created this post on toxicity not me by the way. And also if toxicity bothers you so fucking much why are you feeding mine and being toxic yourself hypocrite. Oh and bring up suicide just one more time because that's what we all want to read on a god damn forum about a video game

The GovernerSep 22, 20151 votes

I can't throw a fit at you personally but you can throw a fit about everyone that plays.

I never throw a fit at everyone that plays. Where did you get that impression from? I merely stated the problem and the stance that we should have done something about it rather than standing around doing nothing. And no, reporting should not have been the only thing we do because it does not help reduce toxicity, as evidenced by the infamy surrounding the League of Legends community and frequent posts complaining about/stating toxicity. The new reform card system, which consists of bots only, should not be the only thing Riot does either.

You bring up suicide but do nothing about besides mentioning it.

Ever heard of the word "analogy"? I mentioned "suicide" to imply that verbal abuse is more serious than you think and cause more harm than you reckon. Rather than brushing it off as a "non-issue", why do you not stand up to the cause? But instead, hiding it and evading it are better options to the issue for you, right?

Words cause harm because people like you create mountains from mole hills.

Words cause harm no matter how hard you are trying to dismiss it. One great misunderstanding is that people think a person can toughen himself up by constructing a "mental shield", so as to shield off all damage taken from verbal abuse and cyber bullying. A "mental shield" does not make a person tough. It just temporarily allows a person to evade the issue, and it doesn't help at all since the problem will get to him eventually if the issue concerns about himself and anything about him. It's called "Butterfly Effect", sweetie. Why do you think there are/have been anti-(cyber) bullying and anti-verbal abuse campaigns all across the globe?

For example, if someone wishes cancer (which happens a lot in League of Legends) to a person who has lost a parent due to it, a "mental shield" cannot save his skin. If more people insult him in this way, this will eventually get to him, and the associated negative thoughts will follow, and consequentially this will create a huge hole emotionally and mentally. Even if people like you claim to not be affected by any of these individual insults, constant verbal abuse and flaming (which happen to a lot of people in the game) can make a person furious and frustrated. Why do you think there are posts complaining about it from time to time? Do you really think it's just people being "attention whores", just merely desiring attention and playing the "victim card"? Grow up and stop letting this narrow-minded thought affect you.

You think to heavily of what others think and say. Just fucking quit playing and whining and feeling entitled to a perfect world when you do nothing to help. How bout we use the boards for league of legends content and not talk about the people that play it. You created this post on toxicity not me by the way. And also if toxicity bothers you so fucking much why are you feeding mine and being toxic yourself hypocrite. Oh and bring up suicide just one more time because that's what we all want to read on a god damn forum about a video game

The rest of your post makes no sense. There is a "miscellaneous" section for a reason, and if I recall correctly, there was something along the line of "Player Behaviour" section on the Boards before, and previous League of Legends forum, before it was revamped.

Do enlighten me on when I have been toxic in this thread. I'd love to hear it. Oh, and telling you that you are oblivious about this is not toxic. It's merely something that I find true when you discuss about this issue, because you seemingly know nothing about the effects brought by flaming and verbal abuse.

Freedom of Speech exists for the purpose of preventing people like you who keep villainizing and victimizing others for differing opinions.

Sir YamazukiSep 21, 20152 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Governer,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=0xU37lE4,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2015-09-21T13:41:07.437+0000)

There are many reasons why many new players quit the game, and one of the reasons is you. You are the kind of guy who shoots people down for wanting to play and enjoy a game stress-free and toxicity-free.

You can't play pvp in any game and expect it to be stress free. The whole point of pvp in any game has always been to be competitive and win.

SlashPancakesSep 21, 20155 votes

[{quoted}](name=Lord Yamazuki,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=0xU37lE4,comment-id=000000000001,timestamp=2015-09-21T14:03:57.747+0000)

You can't play pvp in any game and expect it to be stress free. The whole point of pvp in any game has always been to be competitive and win.

Even so it doesn't give people the right to harass people with toxic comments. If anything, people should be able to realize that other's are going to have problems and not everything is going to be perfect. Toxic a-holes are one of the reasons I always play with friends. But the fact of the matter remains: people need to realize to there could be a possibly suicidal person on the other side and could end up being the reason that someone hangs his self or her self.

Sir YamazukiSep 21, 20151 votes

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Even so it doesn't give people the right to harass people with toxic comments. If anything, people should be able to realize that other's are going to have problems and not everything is going to be perfect. Toxic a-holes are one of the reasons I always play with friends. But the fact of the matter remains: people need to realize to there could be a possibly suicidal person on the other side and could end up being the reason that someone hangs his self or her self.

I was talking about stress in general and not saying who has a right or not to do what ever, as I'm well aware of people who have suicidal thoughts that play League, considering I am one of them.

SlashPancakesSep 21, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=Lord Yamazuki,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=0xU37lE4,comment-id=00000000000100000000,timestamp=2015-09-21T14:47:48.601+0000)

I was talking about stress in general and not saying who has a right or not to do what ever, as I'm well aware of people who have suicidal thoughts that play League, considering I am one of them.

Sorry about that. I guess I misunderstood. I think I was talking more about what The Governor said about the OP being the issue. I honestly think that this whole reply is a mess.

The GovernerSep 21, 20151 votes

Since when did I complain about OP being the issue?

My first reply was aimed at the other guy who basically told the OP to "deal with it" and do nothing about it, hence I wrote that comment.

KillstradoSep 21, 20151 votes

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Sir YamazukiSep 21, 20153 votes

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Attention whore, suicide is serious don't talk lightly of it

Stating I have those thoughts isn't "talking lightly" of it. Don't unnecessarily be an asshole and assume anyone who suffers from multiple mental illnesses needs to be quiet and ashamed of it. Stupid people like you are why others are afraid to ever ask for anyone's help or ever talk about their feelings/problems and instead choose to end their life.

KillstradoSep 22, 20151 votes

Well my friend asking for help on a website where no one can help you and using it as an example of something completely unrelated is selfish, seek professional help don't tell us, and I'm being an asshole about it because I've seen so many people use it as a crutch on these very boards. This is coming from someone who lost two friends to it in July. Sooooo the way you just so willing fling suicide around on the boards is absolutely talking lightly of it thank you. Get help man definitely don't do it but for the love of god don't bring others down that have absolutely no way to help you PLEASE

The GovernerSep 21, 20153 votes

If people stop being toxic, NORMAL PvP can be fun and stress-free, even if you are on the losing side.

Sometimes me and my friends are having so much fun in normals mainly because enemies and allies are all so friendly and we keep making jokes and making funny plays during those games. We, along with strangers whom we know nothing about, are all enjoying ourselves because they are all civil and friendly unlike the players OP described in his post.

Being competitive doesn't give any excuses for being toxic or for being the factors that make the game more stressful.

Sir YamazukiSep 21, 20152 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Governer,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=0xU37lE4,comment-id=0000000000010001,timestamp=2015-09-21T15:26:57.123+0000)

If people stop being toxic, NORMAL PvP can be fun and stress-free, even if you are on the losing side.

Sometimes me and my friends are having so much fun in normals mainly because enemies and allies are all so friendly and we keep making jokes and making funny plays during those games. We, along with strangers whom we know nothing about, are all enjoying ourselves because they are all civil and friendly unlike the players OP describe in his post.

Being competitive doesn't give any excuses for being toxic or for being the factors that make the game more stressful.

Stress isn't just about toxicity, there's already the fact he's stressing over losing and making mistakes, being bothered about it simply adds onto it.

Please read before rage posting.

The GovernerSep 21, 20152 votes

My original reply was aimed at toxicity inducing more stress, and thus people should not be toxic, so the matches can potentially achieve stress-free and fun state, and your reply under mine is "stress is unavoidable in any PvP games". May I ask how this is relevant to my original reply?

And before you speculate any further, none of these replies are rage-posts, but rather civilized and healthy arguments regarding a discussion. So please stop assuming anything regarding me or my posts before posting.

Sir YamazukiSep 21, 20152 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Governer,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=0xU37lE4,comment-id=000000000001000100000000,timestamp=2015-09-21T15:36:13.384+0000)

My original reply was aimed at toxicity inducing more stress, and thus people should not be toxic, so the matches can potentially achieve stress-free and fun state, and your reply under mine is "stress is unavoidable in any PvP games". May I ask how this is relevant to my original reply?

And before you speculate any further, none of these replies are rage-posts, but rather civilized and healthy arguments regarding a discussion. Please stop assuming anything regarding me or my posts before posting.

The expectation that there is a world with no toxicity is irrational, toxicity and stress will be completely unavoidable in a competitive environment unless humans change. People are like this at school, at work, in all games, in politics, etc. So, I have no idea why some like pretending people are only jerks online when humans have a history of being jerks.

If you want a casual environment then you have to find 4 other people with a similar interest to play with rather than holding an impossible standard on random people you don't even know. Stop expecting Riot to do the impossible when you can at least choose who you're playing with.

The GovernerSep 21, 20151 votes

The expectation that there is a world with no toxicity is irrational, toxicity and stress will be completely unavoidable in a competitive environment unless humans change. People are like this at school, at work, in all games, in politics, etc. So, I have no idea why some like pretending people are only jerks online when humans have a history of being jerks.

Very true, but that doesn't mean it's justifiable or right. It's still wrong, and "competitive" is not an excuse.

If you want a casual environment then you have to find 4 other people with a similar interest to play with rather than holding an impossible standard on random people you don't even know.

This standard is not impossible, and it's not only me holding the standard. It's written in Summoner's Code, meaning Riot is holding the same standard as me and my friends, and many people do. As long as people learn how to control their anger issues (which is very common in League of Legends), toxicity can be reduced by a great margin.

Stop expecting Riot to do the impossible when you can at least choose who you're playing with.

One of Riot's goals is reducing toxicity by a great margin, so it's not just my expectation. It should be yours and everyone else's expectation as well. Whether or not Riot can achieve this goal depends on whether or not they acquire the right approaches. Using bots in place of humans to oversee the cases is definitely not one of them, but that's off-topic.

Sir YamazukiSep 21, 20152 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Governer,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=0xU37lE4,comment-id=00000000000100010000000000000000,timestamp=2015-09-21T15:50:32.198+0000)

Very true, but that doesn't mean it's justifiable or right. It's still wrong, and "competitive" is not an excuse.

This standard is not impossible, and it's not only me holding the standard. It's written in Summoner's Code, meaning Riot is holding the same standard as me and my friends, and many people do. As long as people learn how to control their anger issues (which is very common in League of Legends), toxicity can be reduced by a great margin.

One of Riot's goals is reducing toxicity by a great margin, so it's not just my expectation. It should be yours and everyone else's expectation as well. Whether or not Riot can achieve this goal depends on whether or not they acquire the right approaches. Using bots in place of humans to oversee the cases is definitely not one of them, but that's off-topic.

Stop using the "justifying" excuse. There is a difference between justifying and being prepared for reality. I suggest you get a dictionary and look at what "justify" actually means as you'll then see no where in any of my responses did I say being a jerk was actually the right thing to do, hence why I said you are rage posting as you're not actually reading the content of my posts and are just throwing out pointless arguments that is not even relevant to anything I have even said.

The expectation is impossible, perhaps you may want to read some history, or any psychology, or look at how we first learn to behave and you'll see we as human beings are naturally selfish jerks. You can sit there, along with others, pretending you've never once thought of or done anything wrong, but you would be lying. Considering the fact Riot said a lot of the "toxic people" you see are actually people who are generally neutral and are simply having a "bad day". Same goes for afkers, there are people who may play for years and never once rage or afk, but then there's that one time they do, this is not something Riot can prevent. Riot, nor anyone else for that matter, is able to predict when someone is having a bad day, or is being put in a stressful situation where they may react differently than they usually would. People simply are wrong in their assumption that the "toxic person" they encountered is like that all the time.

The reason I refuse to put your expectations on others is because it's not happening, I am not going to judge and expect my allies to be perfect only to be disappointed when they yell at me, or another ally, when we make a mistake. I simply accept and acknowledge that the people I am matched with and against are human beings with emotions that are not always controllable. If you look at my LoLking you'll see that from S1 to S5 the amount of ranked soloq games I played each season dropped drastically and that I only play with 2~3 friends. Instead of quitting and complaining on forums and blaming Riot for being unable to make everyone playing a perfect human I decided to just play much less ranked and stick to playing with friends because the environment is better and less stressful, I also take breaks when needed. The people complaining simply can't be bothered to make friends in order to actually have fun and instead want Riot to do all the work for them.

The GovernerSep 21, 20151 votes

Stop using the "justifying" excuse. There is a difference between justifying and being prepared for reality. I suggest you get a dictionary and look at what "justify" actually means as you'll then see no where in any of my responses did I say being a jerk was actually the right thing to do, hence why I said you are rage posting as you're not actually reading the content of my posts and are just throwing out pointless arguments that is not even relevant to anything I have even said.

Same can be said about your posts. I never said we should not prepare for reality, or for the fact that some people induce toxicity during games. Stop reading too much into my own posts.

The expectation is impossible, perhaps you may want to read some history, or any psychology, or look at how we first learn to behave and you'll see we as human beings are naturally selfish jerks. You can sit there, along with others, pretending you've never once thought of or done anything wrong, but you would be lying. Considering the fact Riot said a lot of the "toxic people" you see are actually people who are generally neutral and are simply having a "bad day". Same goes for afkers, there are people who may play for years and never once rage or afk, but then there's that one time they do, this is not something Riot can prevent. Riot, nor anyone else for that matter, is able to predict when someone is having a bad day, or is being put in a stressful situation where they may react differently than they usually would. People simply are wrong in their assumption that the "toxic person" they encountered is like that all the time.

Never said you are wrong regarding that. Humans are imperfect and thus toxicity is unavoidable. That's why I said "if people learn to control their anger issues, toxicity can be reduced by a great margin". There is a difference between the word "reduction" and the word "elimination". Seems like you are the one skipping over my posts and making assumptions, when I clearly stated otherwise in my previous posts.

The reason I refuse to put your expectations on others is because it's not happening, I am not going to judge and expect my allies to be perfect only to be disappointed when they yell at me, or another ally, when we make a mistake. I simply accept and acknowledge that the people I am matched with and against are human beings with emotions that are not always controllable. If you look at my LoLking you'll see that from S1 to S5 the amount of ranked soloq games I played each season dropped drastically and that I only play with 2~3 friends. Instead of quitting and complaining on forums and blaming Riot for being unable to make everyone playing a perfect human I decided to just play much less ranked and stick to playing with friends because the environment is better and less stressful, I also take breaks when needed. The people complaining simply can't be bothered to make friends in order to actually have fun and instead want Riot to do all the work for them.

Read above. Allow me to reiterate: "if Riot approach this issue in the right direction, toxicity can be reduced greatly." Again, learn the difference between "elimination" and "reduction". I never mentioned anything about the elimination of toxicity.

There is a reason why many new players are quitting and why many people refuse to even play the game. The toxicity that stems from the atrocity of players in League of Legends will soon bring the game down if Riot and the community do not do a single thing about it, or do not use any of the right approaches.

Evading this problem not doing a damn thing about it are certainly the right way to approach this problem, according to you, right?

Sir YamazukiSep 21, 20152 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Governer,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=0xU37lE4,comment-id=0000000000010001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-09-21T16:29:59.316+0000)

Same can be said about your posts. I never said we should not prepare for reality, or for the fact that some people induce toxicity during games. Stop reading too much into my own posts.

Never said you are wrong regarding that. Humans are imperfect and thus toxicity is unavoidable. That's why I said "if people learn to control their anger issues, toxicity can be reduced by a great margin". There is a difference between the word "reduction" and the word "elimination". Seems like you are the one skipping over my posts and making assumptions, when I clearly stated otherwise in my previous posts.

Read above. Allow me to reiterate: "if Riot approach this issue in the right direction, toxicity can be reduced greatly. Again, learn the difference between "elimination" and "reduction". I never mentioned anything about the elimination of toxicity.

There is a reason why many new players are quitting and why many people refuse to even play the game. The toxicity that stems from the atrocity of players in League of Legends will soon bring the game down if Riot and the community do not do a single thing about it, or do not use any of the right approaches.

Your initial response was for people to just stop, which I was stating it's not going to happen. You also even said it wasn't "impossible" to have such a standard, so are you changing your mind about that now? Or are you going to pretend you never said it?

If you've played long enough you would know "toxicity" has already been reduced by a large margin, offensive language, racial slurs, sexual harassment, etc would actually happen a lot, people would be told to kill themselves much more often than today. Although, I don't like the term "toxicity" considering the OP isn't even talking about people being offensive, he was complaining about people blaming him or venting out their frustration.

I'm also not even sure why you're talking about new players, the OP is lvl 30 and isn't even new.

There's also the fact that this is the second time you chose to completely ignore the fact that anyone who doesn't play ranked and is complaining has the option of making friends and playing with them. Of course playing by yourself is going to be a negative environment, Riot has actually tried getting people to make friends through events for a reason, because Riot knows they can't fix these problems and part of the solution is in the hands of the people complaining.

The GovernerSep 21, 20151 votes

Your initial response was for people to just stop, which I was stating it's not going to happen. You also even said it wasn't "impossible" to have such a standard, so are you changing your mind about that now? Or are you going to pretend you never said it?

It wasn't impossible for people to not be constantly toxic in game. That's my standard, and that's what was written in the Summoner's Code, yet many people fail to accomplish even that. Toxicity is unavoidable (as in it cannot be eliminated), but possible to prevent by a great margin. How hard is it to comprehend this?

If you've played long enough you would know "toxicity" has already been reduced by a large margin, offensive language, racial slurs, sexual harassment, etc would actually happen a lot, people would be told to kill themselves much more often than today. Although, I don't like the term "toxicity" considering the OP isn't even talking about people being offensive, he was complaining about people blaming him or venting out their frustration.

Right, that is why we can see people complaining about toxicity once in a while, and that is why there are still so many toxic players across servers, like EUNE.

I'm also not even sure why you're talking about new players, the OP is lvl 30 and isn't even new.

It's an analogy explaining why this community is falling apart thanks to toxicity.

There's also the fact that this is the second time you chose to completely ignore the fact that anyone who doesn't play ranked and is complaining has the option of making friends and playing with them. Of course playing by yourself is going to be a negative environment, Riot has actually tried getting people to make friends through events for a reason, because Riot knows they can't fix these problems and part of the solution is in the hands of the people complaining.

The highlighted sentence that you just wrote shows exactly the opposite of what you said regarding the seriousness of toxicity. If toxicity has really been reduced by a great margin, why do you have to be in groups in order to play casually for fun and avoid toxicity?

Sir YamazukiSep 21, 20152 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Governer,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=0xU37lE4,comment-id=000000000001000100000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-09-21T16:51:41.700+0000)

It wasn't impossible for people to not be constantly toxic in game. That's my standard, and that's what was written in the Summoner's Code, yet many people fail to accomplish even that. Toxicity is unavoidable (as in it cannot be eliminated), but possible to prevent by a great margin. How hard is it to comprehend this?

Right, that is why we can see people complaining about toxicity once in a while, and that is why there are still so many toxic players across servers, like EUNE.

It's an analogy explaining why this community is falling apart thanks to toxicity.

The highlighted sentence that you just wrote shows exactly the opposite of what you said regarding the seriousness of toxicity. If toxicity has really been reduced by a great margin, why do you have to be in groups in order to play casually for fun and avoid toxicity?

We always set expectations that we hope we can meet, that doesn't necessarily mean it is realistic nor possible. Just because there's a guideline stating we all have to act in such a way does not mean it is going to be met. Impossible standards are all over the place, not just in how we act, but how we must look, how our lives should be, etc.

It is common sense why playing with friends would be more enjoyable... That has nothing to do with the attitudes of random players necessarily and all to do with how online games are. Being in a premade group usually means you're on Skype/TS/Curse or what ever they decide to use, which means actual team work in a game that you know... requires it. It also means they are being social, which for an average person will generally be a positive situation. Then the fact that you would probably be playing with people with similar interests, so if you're a hard core player you'll be playing with hard core players, and if you're casual and want to fool around you'll be playing with people who do the same thing. This is why many multiplayer games will usually reward people for playing in a group instead of playing solo.

The GovernerSep 21, 20151 votes

It is common sense why playing with friends would be more enjoyable... That has nothing to do with the attitudes of random players necessarily and all to do with how online games are.

By all means, explain your previous comment: "Of course playing by yourself is going to be a negative environment"

"Negative environment" is the key here. And then you said this has nothing to do with the attitudes of random players necessarily. Do enlighten me on this one: why did you say "negative environment" earlier and then say this is not correlated when playing alone?

it shows how contradictory the quoted text above and the sentence "Of course playing by yourself is going to be a "negative environment", are.

Sir YamazukiSep 21, 20151 votes

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By all means, explain your previous comment: "Of course playing by yourself is going to be a negative environment"

"Negative environment" is the key here. And then you said this has nothing to do with the attitudes of random players necessarily. Do enlighten me on this one: why did you say "negative environment" earlier and then say this is not correlated when playing alone?

it shows how contradictory the quoted text above and the sentence "Of course playing by yourself is going to be a "negative environment", are.

League is a game that requires team work, my most memorable and enjoyable soloq game was one where all 5 of us were on Skype because one person asked everyone to add him. Due to being on Skype we were able to properly work as a team and joke and laugh in the process. Playing alone has its own set of stress even during games where people aren't even talking and winning becomes a bit more difficult as well, which also is another stresser. The game is just generally stressful overall, and people blaming you or pointing out your mistakes is just it's own separate layer of stress. So, making friends and playing with them not only gets rid of the issue of people bothering you but it also minimizes the issues that pertain to the game as a whole. After all, a "multiplayer" game is of course going to be far more enjoyable with a group of people you like than by yourself. I know finding 4 people can be difficult, I've been having a difficult time with it but I was able to find 2 people to constantly play with daily with a 3rd who joins us when he's not busy.

The GovernerSep 21, 20151 votes

Playing alone can be positive, fun and enjoyable (while being competitive) if people stop constantly blaming others for mistakes or ridiculing enemy players for their mistakes. Mistakes have been made by the accused players, so they, especially the accused players' allies, should get over it, and focus more on the game itself and objectives.

The GovernerSep 21, 20151 votes

P.S In case you miss my point:

Assholes are unavoidable, but we can prevent most people from being assholes through education, and law and order. Education, and Law and order exists simply because of that, but you are like "Murders are unavoidable, so why should we compose laws against murders? It's futile. Murders can't be eliminated anyways." Do you see how stupid this ideology is?

I don't think I need to elaborate on this further. You should get my point.

Sir YamazukiSep 21, 20151 votes

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P.S In case you miss my point:

Assholes are unavoidable, but we can prevent most people from being assholes through education, and law and order. Education, and Law and order exists simply because of that, but you are like "Murders are unavoidable, so why should we compose laws against murders? It's futile. Murders can't be eliminated anyways." Do you see how stupid this ideology is?

I don't think I need to elaborate on this further. You should get my point.

No where did I suggest we should not have rules/laws. I only said the expectation is impossible and that people should make friends. I'm fine with rules and follow them.

The GovernerSep 21, 20151 votes

And that's what I have been suggesting the whole time, but you do not seem to get it.

Applying appropriate measures, rules and laws to reduce most of the toxicity is always my point, but you seem to deny this and go on stating because toxicity cannot be eliminated, we shouldn't do anything, or expect anything about it and should instead evade the issue.

Sir YamazukiSep 21, 20151 votes

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And that's what I have been suggesting the whole time, but you do not seem to get it.

Applying appropriate measures, rules and laws to reduce most of the toxicity is always my point, but you seem to deny this and go on stating because toxicity cannot be eliminated, we shouldn't do anything, or expect anything about it and should instead evade the issue.

I didn't mean we shouldn't do anything, more of suggesting people understand that everyone they are playing with are human beings, and that controlling emotions isn't really something we can realistically do. We act a lot without any thought and don't always realize we've done something wrong. By accepting their flaws their negative behavior becomes more tolerable until they face a punishment if it is something they consistently do. Which is better than allowing their actions to upset you.

The GovernerSep 21, 20151 votes

Their actions rarely upset me. If I meet any of these people in game, I just report them afterwards. If it's someone on my friend list and they act consistently toxic, I just report them after game and delete them from my friend list. Simple as that.

My point has been always the same: Riot and the community should not evade the issue, but instead face it, instead of blaming it on the imperfection of human beings and reality. But what have you and many players done, apart from tolerance? And what has Riot done apart from making bots (aka new reform card system), which are not 100% accurate, do the work that should have been manually done by humans? What has Riot done to make truthful reports of mine and many other players worthwhile?

Sir YamazukiSep 21, 20151 votes

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Their actions rarely upset me. If I meet any of these people in game, I just report them afterwards. If it's someone on my friend list, I just report them after game and delete them from my friend list, if they consistently act toxic. Simple as that.

My point has been always the same: Riot and the community should not evade the issue, but instead face it, instead of blaming it on the imperfection of human beings and reality. But what have you and many players done, apart from tolerance? And what has Riot done apart from making bots (aka new reform card system), which are not 100% accurate, do the work that should have been manually done by humans? What has Riot done to make truthful reports of mine and many other players worthwhile?

I'm more of talking about people like the op who will quit over what people think or say about them. It isn't exactly easy to take in negative words or thoughts from others and not be bothered by it, it actually took me a few years to reach the mentality that I have in order to not be bothered much.

In regards to what is being done, it's difficult to really do a whole lot when it's automated and at the start it has to be rather lenient to prevent false positives, League is too large to be fully monitored by their staff, and I'm not sure on what's happening with the tribunal. I thought allowing the players to decide was a good thing since it was at least actual people deciding.

The GovernerSep 21, 20151 votes

This is why The Tribunal needs to be improved as much as possible and to be released as soon as possible.

Riot mentioned that the Tribunal will be released this year. 3 months left, and there are not even signs of the Tribunal. They never even tell us the progress of reconstructing the Tribunal. I really doubt they will release it this year.

Sir YamazukiSep 21, 20151 votes

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This is why The Tribunal needs to be improved as much as possible and to be released as soon as possible.

Riot mentioned that the Tribunal will be released this year. 3 months left, and there are not even signs of the Tribunal. They never even tell us the progress of reconstructing the Tribunal. I really doubt they will release it this year.

Unfortunately they are slow on a few things, I was looking forward to the improvements as back when they rewarded you for actually voting on it I would in between ques/champ select/loading screens.

KillstradoSep 21, 20151 votes

You are probably oblivious to real life problems to

The GovernerSep 21, 20152 votes

Nah, you are the oblivious one, who thinks that there is nothing we can do about harassment, bullying or toxicity in real life, and think that the only way to deal with these problems is to shut up and "evade" them. No one can't evade them forever, and one day people will still have to fix the butterfly effects and consequences caused by these problems.

Ultimate SnipeSep 21, 20151 votes

You know, I'm more mad about people not being able to understand that its just a game than being flamed. Its just beyond me. And one thing I find wrong with muting is that everyone could just be telling the other team to report you while you have no idea whats going on and you can't explain or justify yourself.