But if Faker, Hai, Darshan, Bjergson or any other pro players said they also hate Riven, what's your first response to them?
If you do not have the same responses on both sides, you are a horrible & "elo-racist" person.
Let the psychology test begin.....
Vesarixx5 votesWhenever someone in low elo makes the same statement as someone in higher elo, usually the higher elo person is the one that actually understands the reasoning behind the statement. Someone in higher Elo might have issues with Quinns ability to rotate and clear side waves before any other champion even with TP while a lower Elo player might also say they don't like Quinn because they get bullied in lane or don't know how to deal with the blind.
7fIrvwfP3i4 votesWell to be fair, when two different people complain about the same thing, even in the same Elo-tier, they usually do it for different reasons. However comparing a Bronze to a Master or Challenger tier in terms of why'd they complain, I'd figure it's Bronze: "RIVENS SO STRONK OP BETTER NERF IRELIA" Challenger: "I hate how hard it is to lane against her unless you pick one of her few counterpicks"
No matter what Riot or anyone says, Riven doesn't have as many counters as they say. Even with kite or hard CC, sometimes, you just find a really good Riven. plez boxbox don't do it im sorry i cri
Coach Ferret3 votesThere is 1 answer to both levels of people.
Claiming a champion is OP is useless and cripples your opportunity for improvement. Nothing is perfectly balanced. Real life generals who lead real humans into life or death situations would be envious of how fair your battle is when compared to theirs. Even if it's not "X is OP", even in your case of, "I hate X" (usually paired together honestly) it's pointless, you learn nothing. Here's a list of things you're NOT entitled to in League of Legends: -Being able to stomp lane -Being able to go even in lane -Being able to CS without being hurt -Not getting ganked -Receive ganks -Kill your lane opponent -Apply more pressure than your lane opponent at face value
Here is what you ARE entitled to: -An opportunity to learn and adjust your gameplay in the most reasonable, logical, and mathematically superior approach in order to maximize how effective you can be.
In other words, stop bitching, and learn to play from behind. Learn to play against impossible matchups. Learn to learn. Once you are able to learn, you will climb elo at rocket-like speeds.
TNHA Baritone2 votesI love your rhetorical question. It really made me think...I would say the same thing to both since I try to be flexible enough to put myself in others' shoes.
If you do not have the same responses on both sides, you are a **horrible **& "elo-racist" person.
Those are very extreme words. I wouldn't say someone is horrible because of that...I would say they are naive. Also "elo-racist" could be simply worded as: discriminatory
GinjabredMonsta2 votesI just ask why
Crett2 votes"Makes sense, she's a really obnoxious champ regardless of how hard it is to play as her" That's my response to anyone who hates Riven I'm not defending Riven, and I don't want to hate on anyone who plays her, but. Her kit just makes her really really annoying in the right situations
Frigid Ice Storm1 votesIf a bronze complains : Git gud kid If a pro complains : I fap to your plays daily
SleepyLionCub1 votesif anyone hates riven, no matter the elo. they dont understand how to kite.
ßurst2 votesLMAO if you dont understand how to kite a 3Q flash on top of you hydra w ult and you should be dead by then ;)
SleepyLionCub1 votesLMAO if you dont understand how to kite a 3Q flash on top of you hydra w ult and you should be dead by then ;)
She really doesnt even have that much mobility anymore. Tons of other champions match, and even surpass her in damage, and mobility. Its simply not an accurate excuse for claiming riven is op anymore. In season 4? Yea, she was pretty mobile back then. But now it doesnt really compare as easily. So many reworks, so many new champions, and so many ability changes, makes riven just a "mobile fighter" not some crazy mobile champion that can press flash 5 times and then return to where they started.
Arakadia1 votesSwain, Rumble, Nasus, Brand, Kog, TF, etc.
She's still very mobile, especially compared to champions like these
SleepyLionCub1 votesSwain, Rumble, Nasus, Brand, Kog, TF, etc.
She's still very mobile, especially compared to champions like these
all of those champions were around for season 4. so yea, that doesnt have anything to do with my post.
Arakadia1 votesTahm, Velkoz, Illaoi, Jhin, Braum, Bard, Nami, Syndra, Etc.
Are these not immobile? Just because more and more champions are mobile doesn't mean the immobile ones should be forgotten.
SleepyLionCub1 votesTahm, Velkoz, Illaoi, Jhin, Braum, Bard, Nami, Syndra, Etc.
Are these not immobile? Just because more and more champions are mobile doesn't mean the immobile ones should be forgotten.
The amount of new immobile champions being made is irrelevant. If many new highly mobile champions are being made, then riven will fall down in the "amount of mobility" ranking. She isnt among the top mobile champions anymore, thats what im saying.
Arakadia1 votesThey are relevant. She is not mobile compared to Kalista or Zed or Yasuo sure, but there atr still many immobile champions being made, and many old ones. Shes soooo much more mobile then the champions without mobility, that even though their are more mobile champions, doesn't mean shes fine, shes still very mobile.
A more mobile champion does not make another but less mobile champion not mobile. Many champions are still just so slow compared to her quick movements and mobility.
SleepyLionCub1 votesThey are relevant. She is not mobile compared to Kalista or Zed or Yasuo sure, but there atr still many immobile champions being made, and many old ones. Shes soooo much more mobile then the champions without mobility, that even though their are more mobile champions, doesn't mean shes fine, shes still very mobile.
A more mobile champion does not make another but less mobile champion not mobile. Many champions are still just so slow compared to her quick movements and mobility.
she really isnt that fast. You can easily outrun her with a very wide selection of champions in the game. her dashes are extremely short ranged.
Arakadia1 votesA wide selection of champions are mobile.... Yet what about the champions, which there are many of, that aren't mobile? Her dashes may be short ranged, yet their still dashes and her E is pretty nice, yet she has no resource and 4 of the dashes. Not to forget her AoE CC, shield, low CD's, very strong ult that's undodgable without mobility, and pretty good scaling. That high burst execute ult too! Some champions ARE more mobile, but Riven is still very mobile and I mobile champions are suffering. Wonder why no one plays Swain, Velkoz, Rumble, Syndra, etc.
SleepyLionCub1 votesA wide selection of champions are mobile.... Yet what about the champions, which there are many of, that aren't mobile? Her dashes may be short ranged, yet their still dashes and her E is pretty nice, yet she has no resource and 4 of the dashes. Not to forget her AoE CC, shield, low CD's, very strong ult that's undodgable without mobility, and pretty good scaling. That high burst execute ult too! Some champions ARE more mobile, but Riven is still very mobile and I mobile champions are suffering. Wonder why no one plays Swain, Velkoz, Rumble, Syndra, etc.
The strategy of listing out every ability a champion has to make them sound OP is really drawn out, and not many people fall for it anymore. You can literally make any champion sound OP with a description of their abilities.
Highly mobile assassin with a powerful heal and two multi hit slows, with a 400(+2.6 bonus ad) execute on a 4 second cooldown, and a long distance aoe dash that jumps over walls, and an ult that grants him movespeed, additional damage and invisibility for a total of 6 seconds. Sounds op yea? Actually its 
Or how about
A burst cc mage with 270(+.7 bonus AP) spammable aoe on a short cooldown, comboed with an even larger high damage aoe that grants vision and slows all target hit for 3.5 seconds. With a long ranged aoe stun that's undodgable without mobility and has good scaling. Finally with a low cooldown ult that deals over 1000 ( +120 AP) damage at a long range. 
Simply stating the very best outcome of a champions abilities in a list does not in any way show how strong they are, and is a cheap way to make any champion seem overpowered.
also, nobody plays those champions because of zed, and yasuo, not riven. Rumble even counters riven.
Arakadia1 votesMy point wasnt that Riven is broken... it was thats she still VERY mobile. Literally all I was doing was replying to you saying "shes not that mobile" when she is VERY mobile still.
About Syndra, her abilities are very dodgable and her E is predictable. Her E moves fast, but is easy to predict and foresee to completely stop it normally.
I wasn't listing all her abilities to make her appear broken, I was just saying that she is s still very mobile and strong. Although I'd call her broken.
also, nobody plays those champions because of zed, and yasuo, not riven. Rumble even counters riven.
My point was that she is so mobile like many popular champions. Champions like Velkoz, Rumble, Swain, Syndra, etc. are very fun and cool but people don't play them because of other champions like Riven and Yas. This isn't really a good thing. Its like how no one wants to play support in a way.
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ßurst1 votesYour right I used to play a lot of I recently started again, but from me palying Fiora in ranked i noticed that this meta is absolute s*** for Riven imho champs like Riven Jayce even Rengar now can use a little love in their kits. Also, idk why im getting into Fiora vs Riven, but i think that Fiora does Riven's job a lot better and easier. For one Fiora can q and auto target from what 500 range where Rivens Q has about a 115 range i think? Correct me if im wrong. I never understood why so much hate was targeted towards Riven cuz I can think of a lot of champs that are a lot easier to play while buttfucking her off of one mistake while your making more mistakes than she is.
redniwediS1 votesIn either case I will first jokingly say "get good". If they said it in a manner that makes me think they won't get super salty or rage when losing I'd then invite them to play a game with me.
Captain Aishi1 votesmy answer to both cases would be 'me too'
Angry Monster1 votesSAME, unless they say X stupid reason afterwards. This is for either side.
Taric the Gay1 votesYou hate Riven? You should play more gems you can get more LP.
J Epstein1 votesI hate riven in ranked becuase when I play against one, the opposing riven has master level mechanics. When I have one on my team, they play like they are first time riven or AFk after one death. That's why I hate riven.
No flash no life1 votesTo bronze: I feel ya. I feel pressured against riven and have no idea how to play against her, nor save my teammates from her.
To Pro: I'm gonna buy her then.
EndlessSorcerer1 votesIf it's a Bronze player, then they have likely never encountered a competent Riven.
If they are a pro-player, then they have likely seen other play her near her skill-cap.
While I'm not sure how many people agree with me, I don't think changing my response based on the person's experience is "elo-racist".
Similarly, I'd be far more likely to trust medical advice from a licensed and practicing doctor than from someone who failed out of medical school.
Lauchmelder1 votesTo the bronze: I don't. To Pros: I don't.
It's an opinion, if someone hates Riven it's their "Problem".
