when teemo says "I'm cancer to play against"

Viktor Von Lazer·Mar 17, 2017·3 votes·631 views

But you main this guy the real cancer ....

14 Comments

K7InsanityMar 17, 20174 votes

Gameplay called, they want their posts back

######Are you seriously comparing swain to teemo i dont even what rank is he even good at i havent seen a swain do well in like two seasons######

Viktor Von LazerMar 17, 20171 votes

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Gameplay called, they want their posts back

######Are you seriously comparing swain to teemo i dont even what rank is he even good at i havent seen a swain do well in like two seasons######

LOL swain has always been strong people are just now realizing it. Let's go over a few of his strengths he has....

Ranged advantage of almost every viable toplaner
One of the highest if not the highest damage of any Toplaner
A strong early, mid and late game. A bully up top lane, a tank and a great team fighter with damage. At no point in the game is he ever weak, even before his ult, it's just a huge powerspike then.
Great peel for carries. You can drop beatrice on one target to slow nevermore to root another and body block a third.
Is often underestimated - you have no idea how many times people think they can just jump a swain. He press R and destroys their team.

He has only like 3 drawbacks.

No mobility,
Bad against really strong 1v1 duelist like a fiora with items (cause he has a lot of AoE and they have high more single target burst)
mediocre waveclear outside of ult so relatively poor splitpusher. He can but Don't you want to ult a wave, someone shows up, ult on cooldown, you die.

K7InsanityMar 17, 20173 votes

"One of the highest if not the highest damage of any toplaner"

Teemo Trundle Fiora Illaoi Garen Camille JarvanIV Jax Jayce Mordekaiser Renekton Riven Rumble Ryze Olaf MonkeyKing XinZhao Nasus DrMundo Irelia

Swain has a very, very weak midgame. The only reason he has a strong early is because of his range and passive mana regeneration. If he faces a champion that can either match his range or easily gap close repeatedly, he is practically useless as his spells can be baited and dodged and he has very few magic pen options, as he relies on building health and mana early.

You overestimate his ultimate - a little magic resist (or an ignite) will completely remove its efficiency provided you're not playing full attack speed Lucian top.

He doesnt have "mediocre" waveclear - he has no waveclear. His root is his only true AOE spell, and it does pathetically low damage. If he uses ult for waveclearing, he exposes himself to all-ins and ganks.

He has been one of the weakest top laners for a good while now, along with Aatrox, Vladimir and Urgot.

Viktor Von LazerMar 17, 20171 votes

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"One of the highest if not the highest damage of any toplaner"

Swain has a very, very weak midgame. The only reason he has a strong early is because of his range and passive mana regeneration. If he faces a champion that can either match his range or easily gap close repeatedly, he is practically useless as his spells can be baited and dodged and he has very few magic pen options, as he relies on building health and mana early.

You overestimate his ultimate - a little magic resist (or an ignite) will completely remove its efficiency provided you're not playing full attack speed Lucian top.

He doesnt have "mediocre" waveclear - he has no waveclear. His root is his only true AOE spell, and it does pathetically low damage. If he uses ult for waveclearing, he exposes himself to all-ins and ganks.

He has been one of the weakest top laners for a good while now, along with Aatrox, Vladimir and Urgot.

53% winrate and consistently in the top 10 toplaners for a while now If that's your definition of weak i wish all my champions were as "weak" as swain is. Swain is also 4th in damage dealt btw amongst toplaners. http://champion.gg/statistics/#?sortBy=general.winPercent&order=descend&roleSort=Top

K7InsanityMar 20, 20171 votes

My bad, i didnt take a look at your rank until now. My condolences for you being stuck... Well, there. Rest in peace.

On a serious note, Swain is absolutely dumpstered anywhere above bronze rank. Once you have a decent grasp on the game and its mechanics, he is very easy to play against.

The fact you find him broken correlates with your rank. I'm not trying to insult you - i'm simply stating a fact. The last time i faced Swain top was approximately one month ago in Gold 3, and i absolutely dumpstered him with Mordekaiser - an extremely immobile late game mage that is considered much less viable than Swain.

According to the statistics, Mordekaiser should not even be able to contest Swain.

And yet here i am. https://euw.op.gg/summoner/userName=Twinity+Ferce

In all honesty, all you have to do is learn how Swain works. Try him yourself, or get a friend to play as him and ask him to do 1v1's in top lane or on the howling abyss where you restart after one of you gets 2-3 kills. You'll realize he isnt anywhere near as powerful as you think he is.

The main reason he has a high amount of damage dealt is because he hits a lot of enemies at a time during teamfights. He is tanky but with little single target burst, meaning most people will prioritize other champions over him, leaving him time to slowly whittle them down with his AOE damage.

If you play with a tank main (Malphite, for example) you'll see that they on average do A LOT more damage than their stats signify. That they have a higher total damage PERCENTAGE doesnt necessarily mean they do lots of damage - often it just means they have been playing a solo lane where you poke and fight a lot more than in other lanes without necessarily killing your opponent.

Where bot and mid laners usually go for all-ins to the death, tankier champions such as swain poke and skirmish a lot. This in return means his total damage dealt is a lot higher than what his real power level implies.

Viktor Von LazerMar 20, 20171 votes

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My bad, i didnt take a look at your rank until now. My condolences for you being stuck... Well, there. Rest in peace.

On a serious note, Swain is absolutely dumpstered anywhere above bronze rank. Once you have a decent grasp on the game and its mechanics, he is very easy to play against.

The fact you find him broken correlates with your rank. I'm not trying to insult you - i'm simply stating a fact. The last time i faced Swain top was approximately one month ago in Gold 3, and i absolutely dumpstered him with Mordekaiser - an extremely immobile late game mage that is considered much less viable than Swain.

According to the statistics, Mordekaiser should not even be able to contest Swain.

And yet here i am. https://euw.op.gg/summoner/userName=Twinity+Ferce

In all honesty, all you have to do is learn how Swain works. Try him yourself, or get a friend to play as him and ask him to do 1v1's in top lane or on the howling abyss where you restart after one of you gets 2-3 kills. You'll realize he isnt anywhere near as powerful as you think he is.

The main reason he has a high amount of damage dealt is because he hits a lot of enemies at a time during teamfights. He is tanky but with little single target burst, meaning most people will prioritize other champions over him, leaving him time to slowly whittle them down with his AOE damage.

If you play with a tank main (Malphite, for example) you'll see that they on average do A LOT more damage than their stats signify. That they have a higher total damage PERCENTAGE doesnt necessarily mean they do lots of damage - often it just means they have been playing a solo lane where you poke and fight a lot more than in other lanes without necessarily killing your opponent.

Where bot and mid laners usually go for all-ins to the death, tankier champions such as swain poke and skirmish a lot. This in return means his total damage dealt is a lot higher than what his real power level implies.

god what an inflated ego you must have. I have played like what 6 12 ranked games period? I mostly play normal games for fun but then even it's against people who are gold usually Sorry but your anecdotal evidence doesn't compare to you know things called facts. It's a fact he has one of the highest damage in the game as a toplaner, its a fact his overall performance is one of the best, and it's a fact he has a high winrate in platinum+. If you don't like facts that's fine you can keep playing Morde.

K7InsanityMar 21, 20172 votes

I'm a platinum player myself, and i've seen him twice, it'll be thrice once this match begins.

Statistically Lee sin, Yasuo and Riven should be the best champions in the game due to their extreme play rate. Yet that isnt true, is it?

My "anecdotal" evidence is based on experience. I've been playing this game since its first live season, i've seen almost everything that has happened within it. Call it an inflated ego if you want to, i call it experience.

Viktor Von LazerMar 21, 20171 votes

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I'm a platinum player myself, and i've seen him twice, it'll be thrice once this match begins.

Statistically Lee sin, Yasuo and Riven should be the best champions in the game due to their extreme play rate. Yet that isnt true, is it?

My "anecdotal" evidence is based on experience. I've been playing this game since its first live season, i've seen almost everything that has happened within it. Call it an inflated ego if you want to, i call it experience.

Umm.... How can someone get everything wrong in one post?

Their play rate alone isn't the determining factor. I am pointing out his WINRATE and DAMAGE DEALT, you know... winrate... the chance of winning the gave given that swain is playing top. And yes that win rate is RELATIVELY high, compared to other toplaners. His damage dealt is also relatively high compared to other toplaners.

And you're putting anecdotal evidence in quotation marks. YOUR personal experience is the very definition of anecdotal evidence. Who cares about you and your games. Averaged over thousands of games used from platinum+ players... (Yes you're at the very bottom of their criteria) is what was determined to give Swain his current placement. So maybe at your current elo he's not very good... but when you get to a higher elo you'll understand through "experience" . Again, i don't assume based of "experience" there are things called facts and statistics I can use to back up my claims. Try that sometime.

K7InsanityMar 22, 20171 votes

The thing is just that i havent seen a Swain with a positive score or any sort of noticeable impact on a game since i was Silver. Back then the mid lane Swain went 7/0 against our Zed and rampaged through my team, until i came down from top lane and stopped him myself.

The thing is, Swain is mostly just smoke and mirrors. You THINK he is big and scary because he makes lots of sound and fancy effects, so you convince yourself he is a much bigger threat than he really is.

Most people in the lower elos do not realize this. They think that just because Swain heals like 40 health for every 120 you slap him with, he cant be killed.

he has MONSTROUSLY low cooldowns, and if he spends gold on cooldown reduction he will be so squishy most (decent) champions can easily burst him down.

If you had ever played against past Olaf, golden age Vladimir, golden age Xin Zhao or Tryndamere when he ults, you would know that just because they're healing a lot does not mean you should stop focusing them.

You keep thinking he's good in diamond and above. He's not. He's situational at best - an extreme counter pick, sort of like old Galio (who's being swapped out tonight or tomorrow, things are about to get frisky)

Swain is strong against inexperienced players. He is very popular in bronze and silver because most people panic when they see him heal and deal damage at the same time. Same reason Fiddlesticks is so popular down there.

Im not saying your low rank automatically makes you wrong. I'm just saying that using stats alone doesnt prove anything - that would mean the least played champions in the game are some of the best.