When Everyone's Raging About How Riot Ruined a Champion

Toa of Death·Aug 18, 2015·72 votes·5,022 views

and you're just glad your main remains untouched. http://media.lolusercontent.com/api/embedly/1/image/resize?url=http%3A%2F%2F31.media.tumblr.com%2F54836de6409f1f74a3bc5dc79dfc2226%2Ftumblr_mr67wyltvn1r6o1keo1_500.gif&key=a45e967db0914c7fb472fd4381e6c85b&width=425

108 Comments

Laughing FishAug 18, 201513 votes

I main Garen, and I am very excited for his update. Calling down light from heaven to smite the enemy's villain with the pure justice of Demacia? Yes please. http://i.giflike.com/ph5FKPA.gif

Hay5eedAug 19, 20153 votes

I just wished that the whole Justice thing was based on damage and not just kills. They say that this makes him more of a protector of the weak but really it makes him an avenger

OrangesilkAug 18, 20159 votes

That's how I feel with Cho'Gath EVERY SINGLE PATCH.

He's become widely hated by the community, was picked in competitive for a while and has a decent winrate and pickrate, but manages to dodge the bullet everytime, he and my Monkey King.

Toa of DeathAug 19, 20151 votes

I main Cho as well. we can rest easy knowing our lovable terror won't be gutted....yet. He may one day be touched but for now we can continue noming people in peace.

ImSoFullAug 19, 20151 votes

His silence made everyone want to throw their pc out the window.... Seriously, i rather have it be a non skillshot single target ability than a huge aoe skillshot

I Main SwainAug 19, 20152 votes

to be fair, it's a cone, has a decent delay, and costs a ton of mana.

ImSoFullAug 19, 20151 votes

Talking about teamfights where he makes half your team useless

I Main SwainAug 19, 20152 votes

if half your team is bundled up nice and tight. additionally, if it's a teamfight theres a 90% chance your team has gotten most of their junk off before he gets the chance to get a multi-man w.

edit: i'd also like to note that malzahar's silence is more powerful in almost every way than cho's silence, but nobody complains about it.

OrangesilkAug 19, 20151 votes

Malzahar at least has the decency to blow up if focused.

I Main SwainAug 19, 20151 votes

but if you try to 1v1 him as almost anyone you will lose unless you went mega tank

GodarenAug 19, 20151 votes

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but if you try to 1v1 him as almost anyone you will lose unless you went mega tank

he can get stomped in lane at least i would ten times rather lane vs malz or any mid champ then cho'gath his ult or passive needs a damn nerf

I Main SwainAug 19, 20151 votes

he can get stomped in lane at least

???

malzahar has a pretty freaking powerful lane phase. you must not be facing very good malzahars. his wave clear is fantastic and he has great mana sustain. his only 2 weaknesses (other than being squishy ofc) are that he's not very long ranged and he's immobile. the only mid laner i can think of who can out farm him from the start is morgana and maybe ziggs.

GodarenAug 19, 20151 votes

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???

malzahar has a pretty freaking powerful lane phase. you must not be facing very good malzahars. his wave clear is fantastic and he has great mana sustain. his only 2 weaknesses (other than being squishy ofc) are that he's not very long ranged and he's immobile. the only mid laner i can think of who can out farm him from the start is morgana and maybe ziggs.

ahri and viktor can beat him to, i typically have 0 problem laning vs him as zed and annie but its after lane when he gets really strong

League of PotatoAug 19, 20152 votes

Except he's really not OP at all, he's very balanced. You can hate a champion all you want but rito doesn't really have a reason to gut him. But then again, since when has rito needed a reason. Non-meta/Non-mobile champ used in LCS? We can't have that!

OrangesilkAug 19, 20152 votes

He's balanced around the people he's fighting against having literally no reflexes, since like 90% of his power budget rests in a skill which has a 1.5 sec delay and that every champion can literally walk away from (To say nothing of mobility). However, he's hated by a fraction of the community which either due to insane ping or lack of reflexes, can't dodge it,

League of PotatoAug 19, 20151 votes

If anything he could use a slight buff. Cho holds a special place in my heart, he was one of the first champions I mained, which is why I have almost every skin of his (mostly from mystery gifts).

OrangesilkAug 19, 20152 votes

He's really close to being broken due to how Riot just nerfs the new hot thing that hits the toplane without buffing anyone, the power seep is starting to make Cho OP.

Not KatarinaAug 19, 20151 votes

I only hate Cho'Gath because of the insane hitbox on his silence. That thing hits you from lane, when you're farming jungle. (His sustain kinda annoys me too, but not as much as Vlad's) Otherwise I don't see him as much of a problem. He shuts down assassins, and there wasn't much of that before Cinderhulk came back. So having him in the game is more healthy than not, and that's coming from someone who loves playing assassins. :c

OrangesilkAug 19, 20155 votes

If it makes you feel any better, coming from a Cho player, his W is inconsistent, sometimes it's huge, sometimes it's tiny, Cho'Gath has bugs that are like 3 years old. (His Q is even worse, I swear each time I see some get caught in the edge of the skill I'm like "Let's roll the dice")

Not KatarinaAug 19, 20152 votes

I most definitely believe that, no doubt times where I should've been hit I didn't get hit, and times where I shouldn't have I did. Maybe they should fix it for clarity, either the hitbox or the vfx, for both Cho'Gath players and his opponents. That'd probably be the end of my hatred for that gentlemanly void monster.

WizardavarAug 19, 20152 votes

Chogath's Q hitbox is a Hexagon. T.T

OrangesilkAug 19, 20152 votes

Wow... are you serious?, if you are, that's literally the dumbest thing I've heard in champion design.

"Circles are hard, we need something that looks like a circle, feels like a circle, but isn't a circle" "Hexagon!"

LOL SpammerAug 19, 20159 votes

And then they get played in the LCS http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view2/3841622/barney-spits-water-o.gif

OverpoweredSoapAug 18, 20158 votes

*Is still crying, holding Old Karma's dead body in my arms *

Deep Terror NamiAug 18, 20155 votes

Heh, lol ya ok. As if they're going to touch Nami. She's perfectly fine :3

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-EA129tnmtOQ/VcQbb1JIk6I/AAAAAAAAvYg/OXZKPs5BmGM/s640/namipassive.jpg http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-8hmauY8lyeU/VcQbb4uEaeI/AAAAAAAAvYk/IcRxPSNHQ0I/s640/namirR.jpg

GET OFF MY MAIN NOO, I DON'T WANT PEOPLE NOTICING SHE EXISTS!

Heckin SupportAug 18, 20152 votes

I'm just glad Lulu wasn't touched too bad when she was super strong in solo lanes.

Ariel the CruelAug 20, 20151 votes

Ya, they just nerfed her support power to make her solo lane weaker. (>_>)

TheFirstGokunAug 18, 20155 votes

When everyone's raging about how Riot ruined a champion... and I'm just sitting there thinking, "This will be my new main."

Mordekaiser? Gangplank? Fiora? They're all my mains now. I don't care how long it takes, I will master them.

Trash ADC BtwAug 18, 20157 votes

Ya know, just to spite the Mordekaiser players who are pissed off and whatnot.

CasterGilgameshAug 18, 20154 votes

still has nightmares item 3070 Soraka flashbacks

Beached ManateeAug 18, 20153 votes

I remember learning her and starting to main her JUST as they announced the update. Then I played her wrong for like 3 months before figuring it out. Now, she's more fun.

CasterGilgameshAug 18, 20152 votes

i still play her but making her borderline kill herself is no excuse they punish her so much for healing and ruined her tank build by making her heals take so much of her health i get so enraged at riot for doing that to her soraka is like a literal goddess she deserves better than that big middle finger of a health cost riot put on her heal and to make it worse riot still has it keep the mana cost i'll NEVER forgive riot for ruining my favorit champion NEVER!....

The Blue RajahAug 19, 20152 votes

Lol, dramatic enough?

CasterGilgameshAug 19, 20153 votes

nah i think i coulda made much more drama

FlippyGoneTrippyAug 19, 20151 votes

That 30 mana cost on W. OP

CasterGilgameshAug 19, 20151 votes

30 mana is actually can be a lot if you spam it and need to have to spam another ability in order to not run out of health which also takes mana against poke lanes you really run dry on mana fast

FlippyGoneTrippyAug 20, 20151 votes

I got my tier 5 raka and I sometimes but rarely have mana as an issue. Yeah obviously if you are spamming your shit but that's everyone when they are spamming their shit. Ever played Sona or Blitz? :p

I think Soraka is a healthy champion.. Just very boring when your ADC doesn't go ham.

AP, Move Speed and CDR is what I build on her. Usually the only Mana Regen item I buy is Talisman unless I really need a Mikaels or something

Nidalee SO NYAAAAug 18, 20151 votes

My main was not touched for a long time now she has gotten nothing but nerfs and has 47℅ winrate Q.Q

CasterGilgameshAug 18, 20151 votes

who?

Nidalee SO NYAAAAug 18, 20154 votes

Nidalee

CasterGilgameshAug 18, 20155 votes

oh i should have known i feel so stupid now lol that name

Reaper SorakaAug 19, 20152 votes

They won't leave our Niddy alone! They now reduced her spear damage so she does less as a support, among all other lanes. :(:(

ScribbsAug 19, 20152 votes

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They won't leave our Niddy alone! They now reduced her spear damage so she does less as a support, among all other lanes. :(:(

Ever tried laning against a Nidalee as VEIGAR? There's too much moving involved and not enough shooting.

BeoridasAug 19, 20151 votes

she was on everyone's radar for a long long time however. And the only reason she didnt get nerfed is because of cinderhulk...and now thats out of the way...

To be fair: she deserved them. For a long long time. Not that i think she should be unviable. There is a lot of adv to have her in a team.

Nidalee SO NYAAAAug 19, 20151 votes

But just outright nerfing the damage on the Q was so lazy. I'm not saying she did not need nerfs but making the Q harder to hit and then lowering the damage and so make it less rewarding to hit feels wrong. I rather see her reworked because I'm scared more nerfs are coming

BeoridasAug 19, 20151 votes

Im all about fairness dear nid main. But even you have to admit that her poke is among the best low risk high reward pattern in the game. Nid is also probably among the best turn around champ there is. Thats not little for a kit that is arguably among the best in the game since she can fit in any meta, have multiple build paths with a kit( i say that word a lot) that minimizes the consequences of her mistakes. She is a strong champ. An issue always arise with her i find.

Because of the fact that she is excellent at many things, she can always be built and played differently. even if they were 0 dmg on her Q. Altho unviable, she would still be capable of different things depending on the situation. (a bit like fizz)

Im not sure if the nerfs as a whole were too much. But i just feel that, the possible instant snipe, lucky spears, and fog of war head shots were unfair as a whole aswell. She may have to use her spears like jayce uses his poke now--in a more deliberate, straight forward way into a blob of enemies.

In a devourer, runeglaive meta--that may just leave people to build her ad/tanky nid now.

Will that remove some of the fun ? probably. I feel the same about ryze, kass and olaf all the time. But with that understanding--I also recognize whats fair and whats not when i see it. So lets just say that her poke pattern is by far the hardest pattern to balance ive seen in a very long time.

Nidalee SO NYAAAAug 19, 20151 votes

What about Ezreal his pretty damn safe as well

BeoridasAug 20, 20151 votes

Ezreal has one escape that is 19 sec CD most of the game. i wouldnt call that safe. he pokes yes. but the dmg is no where near Nid. Nid Q poke is much more potent and dangerous. Has an execute attached to it, a good self heal and teammates heal. Great mobility. They are two different champions.

Nid can be a skirmisher, poke mage, assassin, support and a fighter. They are vastly different. actually id argue that she is a bit overloaded. not without weaknesses mind you. not saying she is OP. but ezreal wasnt a great choice to compare it to.

She is a mix of fizz and jayce in one person being more similar to the latter.

Nidalee SO NYAAAAug 20, 20151 votes

Jayce can poke you to death and then if you try to on him he knocks them away. Fizz can go untargetable and fizz and go tanky and and still do a butt load of damage. Nid is almost nothing but the spear just they made the W just a useless skill and tbh I hate the heal on her I wish they put something that fit the champ better

BeoridasAug 20, 20151 votes

nid can also poke to death. Difference is that jayce's patterns are more predictable by a notch. if you go to him he knocks you (nothing you cant gap close from). If you try to catch nid (assuming you see her when you eat the spear) she can run--hop away pretty far into the horizon. I compared her to him because of the poke, tho jayce costs a lot more to pull and needs two abilities to get done with a split second more reaction time (since you can legit see his gates)

you are vastly wrong to say nid is just the spear. I compared fizz to nid because nid has AMP dmg and an execute ability (like fizz)

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Nidalee

When you look at her at a plain dmg persepctive. her ratios are quite high in versatility and she can essentially kill someone outright with 0 items because she has an execute with cougar form as base dmg.

by the way, you may have missed the train on it: but nid can also build the same way as tanky ad fizz and absolutely destroy. ive seen it tons of times. Its just that right now its better to build her AP. but i assure you she is very strong in all aspect of her kit. Im not sure how you think its all about the Q.