"I spent a couple dozen dollars on hextech boxes and still got no new Vayne skin. What a scam."

Aír·Jul 1, 2016·58 votes·3,444 views

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65 Comments

hoes and bowsJul 1, 201621 votes

http://leaguecraft.com/meme/asset/meme_760px_361.jpg

AírJul 1, 201610 votes

I've only spent $1000.

;_;

hoes and bowsJul 1, 20163 votes

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/adventuretimewithfinnandjake/images/5/5c/2242102-gamer-gifs-i-know-that-feel-bro.gif/revision/latest?cb=20130305214156

Leanus CrainJul 1, 20162 votes

Oh boy, I'm waiting for league to have more money put into it then I set i'm playing on, 1/3 of the way there.

DorkunedAurasJul 1, 20162 votes

I've only spent $5

CC MustangJul 1, 20163 votes

250$ here

MhihnjJul 2, 20162 votes

Alas it was in Vayne

DicersonJul 1, 20167 votes

I think its funny how those skins take more money to get than Ultimate skins but are technically in the 1350 category because they dont change voiceovers

StaliniumJul 1, 20162 votes

Meanwhile, Project Yasuo at 1350 has a voiceover

Hello I am BirdJul 1, 20161 votes

PROJECT: Yasuo has new voice lines? :o

CasterGilgameshJul 1, 20164 votes

they just put a voice filter over regular lines

Vistha KaiJul 1, 20161 votes

Yeah, I mean which champion doesn't have a VO?

Project Yasuo has a sound effect added to his base VO, nothing more.

Only Play DariusJul 1, 20162 votes

It's a filter applied to his normal voice lines. The only unique sound in that skin is the harmonica he plays during his dance.

AkeneroJul 2, 20162 votes

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Meanwhile, Project Yasuo at 1350 has a voiceover

He has a filter

AeszarckJul 2, 20161 votes

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I think its funny how those skins take more money to get than Ultimate skins but are technically in the 1350 category because they dont change voiceovers

Actually, they're 2450 if you consider how much it costs to upgrade a skin shard.

DicersonJul 3, 20161 votes

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Actually, they're 2450 if you consider how much it costs to upgrade a skin shard.

i meant the Riot skin categories. 1350 change models and sometimes particles change. 1350 is as high as it goes and only goes to legendary if the champion voice changes. Ultimate skins are legendaries where one or more aspects of the skin will change and "evolve" over the course of the game (Sona's music changes and lengthens, Udyr's animals solidify, and Ezreal's model gets more complex)

MarshbouyJul 1, 20166 votes

Guys... its supposed to be rare for a reason.

AírJul 1, 20164 votes

Yeah, I mean the skin is valued at around $300-$350. Like, it is supposed to take almost a year or two to get it for free.

DrCyanideJul 1, 20161 votes

$300? I thought the average was $500.

DeathBurstJul 1, 20161 votes

Yeah, me too, based on youtube videos, but last time I mentioned that, someone came and said they had got it after only $300.

DrCyanideJul 1, 20161 votes

One person getting it in $300 while another 3 getting it in $500 still makes the average closer to $450 than $300.

DeathBurstJul 1, 20161 votes

Actually, it just shouldn't be possible (or so unlikely that it's the same thing) to have one person getting it for $500 and the other getting it for $300.

I suppose they just changed the drop rate of Gems at some point without communicating about it. That's much more plausible than the guy paying only $300 being so extraordinarily lucky.

Spacesuit SpiffJul 1, 20161 votes

If we're just seeing one of each, thats totally possible. Hell, i got 2 gems from 5 crates, that doesnt mean they drop 40% of the time.

DeathBurstJul 2, 20161 votes

No, that's not how it works. You're saying "since the number of gemstones is low, the sample size is not big enough in order to evaluate the odds with a good precision". But the random event is not "getting a gemstone", it's "opening a chest". The gemstone is only one of the possible outcomes of the event.

And the number of chest opened is large. Maybe you can get lucky on the first hundred chest or so and get 5 gemstones instead of 3, but on the next few hundreds, it will converge towards the expected droprate. Over the large number of chests needed to accumulate 10 gemstones, we should be pretty close to converged.

Toplane FencerJul 2, 20161 votes

Nooo, it's still a waay to small sample size. That guy is totally right. Ofcourse people can get lucky and get it with 200 dollar or so less than others. What you're doing is saying that if 2 ppl play a lottery 1000 times they're going to have the same prizes.

DeathBurstJul 2, 20161 votes

And that's the case! With very high probability, they will both win 0. But that's not even a good analogy. Winning the lottery is a 1 time event. Getting 10 gemstones, you need to be lucky on the first gemstones, and to remain lucky until the end. And that's the thing with luck: on the long term, it doesn't exist. If you're supposed to get a gemstone every 30 chests in average, maybe you'll get the first 3 or 4 with only 20 chests each, but you can't reasonably hope to average 20 chests over the full 10 gemstones.

Toplane FencerJul 2, 20161 votes

Actually, no. That's just wrong. It's actually quite likely that some people get in for 500 and others for 300. It would be much more surprising if everyone got it between 450 and 550. Anyway, the sample size is waay too small to be able to see what the average cost would be.

DeathBurstJul 2, 20161 votes

But the number of opened chests is clearly large enough to have a fair estimation of the gemstones droprate (and of any loot droprate, actually). You're considering "this guy got the skin" as a whole event, but if you take each chest opened as it's own event, you can get much more precise results.

Mad King HadesJul 1, 20166 votes

I came here expecting a useless rant in the wrong part. I was pleasantly surprised. http://i.imgur.com/1R2Cl6Z.gif

Mal the RedJul 1, 20165 votes

I think I opened my 12th Chest today... Got my first Gem Stone.

You need TEN to unlock Hextech Annie or Soul Stealer Vayne.

AírJul 1, 20162 votes

Same, I got my first gemstone a couple days ago. Didn't think I would ever get one. Hey, maybe I will get this skin for free eventually. :P

CasterGilgameshJul 1, 20162 votes

i have 3 gems :3 how you like meh now !!

InTheoryJul 1, 20161 votes

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AírJul 2, 20162 votes

You can turn them into 1 key and chest per gem.

0din234Jul 1, 20161 votes

you sir are quite lucky, same amount and no gems

10TicklerJul 2, 20161 votes

Weirdest thing, I've gotten maybe Three gemstones in the past.

Since I got them, they vanished. Not very happy about that

GayFluffyUnicornJul 2, 20161 votes

Wow that's just a gigantic scam... With that drop rate and the price.... 2 gems MAXIMUM 3.

Only Play DariusJul 1, 20164 votes

We'll see if you're still cracking jokes next year when half of all new skins are released as hextech exclusive.

WutsKrakenJul 1, 20162 votes

Those kinds of people are the kind of dinguses who try to sue casinos or lotteries when they lose out on jackpots

Vistha KaiJul 1, 20161 votes

Man, but this skin isn't even worth a quarter of its price.

It's like paying 1000$ to get a lottery ticket with the highest prize of 500$.

WutsKrakenJul 1, 20169 votes

No, it's more like paying for $1000 worth of $1 tickets trying to get a $500 prize

AeszarckJul 2, 20162 votes

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No, it's more like paying for $1000 worth of $1 tickets trying to get a $500 prize

BAM

Spacesuit SpiffJul 1, 20162 votes

They really chose the right champ to do that to. Watch the next HTC skin be "edgy outplay riven"

Mig89Jul 1, 20161 votes

If you buy the ten pack of boxes and keys isnt it a gauranteed one gemstone? By that logic you would only need to buy ten ten-packs, or no?

JayrettJul 1, 20161 votes

no, it's a free chest+key, not a gemstone. would be nice and would cap those skins at $200 but meh.

Mig89Jul 1, 20161 votes

Oh. gotcha. I couldnt see spending 200 bucks on a skin lol. Ive spent roughly 600 on the game in two years but never could i imagine spending two hundo on one skin :/

DorkunedAurasJul 1, 20162 votes

keep in mind, in the process of getting that one skin, you also get a crap ton others

Mig89Jul 1, 20161 votes

Good point. I did spend about 60 bucks on hextech when it came out but i was just trying to get legacy skins. I hadn't considered that. At one point i have 8 gemtones but i cashed them all in for more keys and boxes. I dont care for annie and in hindsight i really dont care for vayne either so i was ok with it.

AeszarckJul 2, 20161 votes

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If you buy the ten pack of boxes and keys isnt it a gauranteed one gemstone? By that logic you would only need to buy ten ten-packs, or no?

They said that they would implement more ways to get gemstones in the future. However, right now, the only way to get gemstones is by luck.

Mig89Jul 2, 20161 votes

Oh. i ended up with 8 gems from buying 60 bucks worth of boxes when it came out. I thought i got one gauranteed but i wasn't sure. i cashed them all in for extra boxes because i dont play annie.