It is 100% true. If you play roaming support every game you get banned. Don't believe its true? I was. Here is the quick summary with context provided below. I believe roaming for the whole laning phase a ranged, high damage champion is really effective. Why? high damage and ranged allows you to pop out of a bush or over a wall deal enough damage to totally tilt a 1 on 1 fight in your teams favor. killing a jungler is easier with range. I prefer this over melee/cc champs because often 1 free ward stops you from doing anything. Additionally ranged champs can take towers far more easily than melee early game. (esp top lane) That is what I do, for me i win just as many games doing roaming support as anything else.
I was banned. Basically the story line to support the ban was.... I'm trolling, I'm not playing my position, I'm not helping the team, and most emphasized was im creating a negative gameplay experience.
Where is a whole host of problems with this. 1- Riot has not, and will not define what the word trolling is. 2- Riot has not defined the support position. All other positions are also locations on the map, support isn't. 3- killing creeps isn't bannable. 4- winning a game with play style isn't bannable.
here is some dialogue between Riot support staff and me about my 2 week ban. I wanted to post the whole dialogue but it appears i will go well over the post length cap. I condensed below.
RIOT-
You've had several games where you didn't play the role you were assigned in champion select, and refused to cooperate with your teammates in game. This includes running into other player's lanes with the intention to take their creeps and feed their opponents. Playing the game this way is negatively impacting your teammates and is considered griefing. :/
If you wish to play the game in a unique way, I strongly recommend queuing up with 4 other teammates that you know to avoid hurting the game experience for others.
Below are some of the games we found this behavior to have been occurring. Keep in mind that these match histories do not give a lot of insight into your behavior, since it was all gameplay based:
http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2216585895/211733148
http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2213841075/211733148
http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2214780544/211733148
Kind regards,
Agent Spoopy
Player Behavior & Game Support
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ME-
I have a few major issues to your last message.
- You claim I "didn't play the role you were assigned in champion select"
- Please show me where Riot has defined what the support position is required to do to play the support role. If Riot has never defined what the support position is than how do i know what Riot expects me to do?
- You claim i was "running into other player's lanes with the intention to take their creeps..."
- Please show me where Riot has stated certain players have ownership of enemy creeps.
- This is a TEAM game. is a team member kills a creep the TEAM gains gold. Any team member that is earning gold for the team is doing a positive action for the team. How is it a bad thing to gain gold? This simply makes no sense at all.
- You have to clear the creeps to bring down the actual objectives. Killing creeps quickly when you are in the position to damage a tower is accomplishing the actual objectives to win the game.
- Additionally in the 3 games you cite, I was the lowest CS score in 2 of them and the 2nd lowest in the 3rd.
- additionally you state i was "running into other player's lanes with the intention to... feed their opponents"
-The games you have cited simply lack any reasonable representation of that. I will break each game down below. and will specifically address this point.
Game 1) I died a total of 2 times in the first 20 minutes of this first game. Please explain how this shows an intent to run into peoples lanes and intentionally feed opponents. Additionally, This game shows that I was a helpful member of the team. I had the highest damage dealt to champs on the team (while having the lowest CS). I had the highest kill participation rate. I was middle of the pack in wards and deaths.
Game 2) This game I was with a group of 4 that called open mid. I started to record this game because It was unbelievable. Now I did die 2 times to the enemy jungle early. This wasn't intentional, but my team decided to break the summoners code and give up. (link to the recording is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQMOiKDxqQ4) I typically ward the lower side buff at 1:40 and will invade the enemy jungle at about 1:55 to contest the enemy's first buff. You can see this pattern in my match history. Generally i can steal the buff, sometimes i can get first blood. Here are 2 recent games where I got first blood in the enemy jungle at the enemies first buff camp.
http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2216640806/211733148?tab=stats
http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2215673546/211733148?tab=stats
If you watch the video you will see my team communicates to the enemy they are opening mid, and i die 4 times trying to defend my towers, inhib, and nexus by myself. I don't consider this intentional feeding. Do you?
Game 3) This wasn't that good of a game for me. But the cause of my 18 deaths was because 1) the enemy rengar, riven, and nid could all just full combo and kill me. 2) the game went 51 minutes. 3) In this game I even bought an hourglass to try to stop getting instant killed. 4) the other ADC on our team had 1 less death than I did. How does a game go 51 minutes if 2 people are intentionally feeding? This game simply lacks any indication I was intentional feeding
Additionally I feel like it is almost admitting I'm not doing anything wrong by saying I should play with friends. If my strategy is against the rules, it is against the rules regardless of who i play with. This feel like a poor way to excuse the fact that if I play by myself my team members will wrongfully blame me for a loss simply because I have a different strategy. Riots automated punishment algorithms appear enforce a Lynch Mob mentality reporting system, not ACTUAL POSTED RULES to the game, and you as the person assigned to deal with a poor algorithm doesn't appear to adequately examine if rules or summoners code was violated. If you did, you would have seen that your game 2 reference, I was the only person on my team who tried the whole game.
RIOT-
The reason I recommended playing in a 5 man team is because they may not find your playstyle harmful to their experiences. For example, I like to play weird champions in the jungle (Viktor, Veigar, Annie, etc), just to see what it'd be like even if it's clearly not viable or in the meta. However, I never do these things if I'm playing with others I don't know. I wait until I can play in a 5 man party of players I know and am friends with and make sure it's okay with them before I do it.
You're free to try out strategies if you want, but you have to make sure what you're doing isn't ruining the game for your teammates. Ask them if what you're doing is okay and if it is, effectively communicate your strategies so they are aware of what you're doing because right now your actions are just creating a poor environment for others to play the game in.
RIOT-
To clarify, our job is to explain why this punishment on your account was placed, not how the game is supposed to be played. If you wish to understand more about the game I encourage you to look at videos of professional or high MMR matches or to look at guides. :/
As I mentioned previously, the way you've been playing the game has been harmful to a majority of your teammates game experiences and playing in a way that does this is against our rules and guidelines. That is why disciplinary action was issued.
RIOT-
My name is Templar Iytsuna, a member of the Player Behavior team. Reviewing this case and your prior questions in this ticket I can clarify for you that the 'meta' is created by the community, by way of majority views. One can go off the Meta if they honestly think that the situation calls for it, but if your teammates find that by doing so you are actually creating a negative experience for them then they have every right to report you for it.
I can further clarify that one can being in meta and trolling/griefing are not tied behaviors. A player can exhibit one without the other. Furthermore, this ban was placed for often creating a negative experience in your matches for several groups of teammates by not cooperating with them and only taking your own ideals into consideration. There is no "I" in team.
Lastly, the Support role is also a view created by the community. If you are assigned a role, and choose not to without the clearance of your team (something made easier by the dynamic queue) then you are breaking the Terms of Use and will be subject to disciplinary action.
Me-
Suppose I and 3 friends queue up and get all but the support position. A random person is assigned the support position and we tell them that they need to roam all game to help all lanes. That support, instead, stands in the bottom lane and fails to support the other lanes by roaming. We would every right to report this random support because they created a negative experience for the 4 of us; based off of your statement.
Additionally, lets say a player has figured out an off meta tactic/strategy to win every game. Literally every game they play they win. However, this player despite winning the game for the other 4 team members actually created a negative experience for them by this strategy. Please how it is punishable.
RIOT-
I must reiterate that this is team game, and choosing to play in a manner that goes against the ideas of teamwork will create discord, which will in turn create a negative atmosphere for others to play in. And that is how players can report you, and disciplinary action be taken.
there you have it LoL community.
