If Elo Hell is where you can't climb...

What is cash but nature's elo? http://lovelace-media.imgix.net/uploads/186/6e7fb1b0-2f40-0132-095c-0eae5eefacd9.gif?

Yes, it is called "LoL Champions Korea" (professional league). But it is the reverse of NA elo hell, as there is only room for so many people at the top. Even if everyone is amazing, every game will still have a loser, and thus there will still be people pushed down to lower ranks.

So basically Easyhoon and, until recently, Scout were in elo hell? x)

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Not really. I climbed from bronze 4 to silver 3 in about a month, and most of my losses were playing with my friends who are in bronze. I think maybe 4 of those games were something other than support. I don't feel like playing support was holding me back at all.

Well I have a support main friend who started to play ranked immediately after he got level 30. He got placed in b2 and now he is s5 (40 games later). So it's definitely possible to climb it of bronze as support main.

You must not know what a fact means then. ELO Hell does not exist. That is a opinion or saying that it does exist is also a opinion. Your reasoning for it existing for some players is correct they cant climb because their "bad". Its not elo hell its the player so in since elo hell occurs with all players in all leagues because at one point they can no longer climb due to them not being at the skill level required to make it higher at that moment. So blaming elo hell for not rising is completely false and just a way for ignorant people to feel as if the reason they are not improving is not because they are too ignorant to see their mistakes and keep making them but that the game system is flawed and that they are stuck where they are without ever being able to get out. I climbed myself all the way from Bronze 4 to Silver 5 in about a week. But im not saying I am a good player but that I got to the division I deserved because I played the champs I could play and help carry and managed my way out of bronze. A not of advice. Try not to use hard carry such as squishy fighter tops or early game reliant mages mid. If you are going to play any role not including adc I suggest you use a tank champion that is more tactical than damage reliant so that his team can come together in team fights. I personally use Skarner because of his low play rate and a complicated champ to counter he is easy to use against the enemys team. All I do is wait out early telling my team just not to feed and when we make it to late I just run into the enemy team and ult whoever is carrying their team be it a fed mid laner or maybes a enemy adc. Once I ulted I drag them into my team and we quickly burst them down earning us the perfect chance to charge the enemy team and get a good push in. Simple but tactical and tanky champs like this work really well in low elo.

The statistical numbers of players is so small that it is inconsequential. not to mention it becomes increasingly unlikely that a player will keep being stuck. In a game of pseudo luck it is hard for the luck aspects to keep skill down.

A common reason I hear that someone is stuck in elo hell is that their teamates suck and their enemy team doesn't. They always get the afk and the enemy doesn't.

But your rule of probability, that means you should actually be winning. Your enemy team is more likely to obtain a troll or afk compared to you, unless you're the problem.

Elo hell doesn't exist. If the problem is that your champ can't climb, that's the only reason I can see (Aka you're a Naut main or something.)

You actually have it wrong. Assume equal chances of feeding nooblord per team slot. Except your own slot because we are trying to prove ELO hell, not that you suck and are the reason you can't climb.

This means there are 4 slots for feeders/trolls on your own team, and 5 for the enemy. By probability, a given individual who is not a feeder will thus be forced up in ranking over time by playing enough games, until he/she is now the weakest link on their teams.

ELO Hell does not exist, and mathematically cannot exist as a long term, permenant status. If someone thinks they are stuck in ELO hell, then they either are the weakest link, or they haven't played enough games.

The closest we can come to an ELO hell is an unlucky streak that will average out given enough games.

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This is an opinion held by only those who dont understand math and probability distributions. ELO hell must exist for SOME players, it is a statistical fact.

Then I will counter your "fact" with the law of large numbers. "Elo hell" exists only temporarily. The more games you play, the closer you elo approaches (assuming you don't improve) your actual level.

same for me, but its mostly due to my poor farm and map pressure i think, not my picks