How us Boards Community & Riot view chat restricted/suspended/permabanned threads:
They do chirp so heavenly, don't they?
They do chirp so heavenly, don't they?
Sometimes when there are no fresh memes here, i go to player behavior.
"Screaming won't do you any good, but it's music to my ears."
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im still so unused to you being an arbiter, especially when they should've made you king.
Don't worry, I don't need a title for people to know I am the king.
Most of the time when I get fast food, my fries are salted when I get them. But when I need to salt them myself, I go to Player Behavior because that board is filled to the brim with salt.
#Permabanned players be like:
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that i succeed is not enough,others must fail as well
TBH the current report/banning system is pretty shit. You people who regularly bash it have literally 0 experience with it. I do. I have been a toxic player in the past and my account was flagged, and rightly so. However, I have taken measure to reform, and they have been wildly successful. However, I still get regular punishments. In fact, I am likely a single report away from a permaban. I have literally received a 2 week time ban, a 20 game chat restriction, and a 10 game ranked restriction SIMULTANEOUSLY for saying "gg afk" ONE TIME. And before you Riot sheep say "well you can't be banned for only a single offense", BULLSHIT. Riot linked me the offensive games, and this was the only one in the log. The fact is that if you manage to get your account flagged (ie your first offense) you are fucked. Even single games can ruin you, and even if you only occasionally rage (as literally everyone does, do NOT try to say that you are some kind of pure soul that never experiences anger and allows it to show) you WILL escalate your punishment. It's not about player reform anymore, it's about removing anyone that doesn't fit in with Riot's frankly dogmatic view of social interactions.
You know what this sounds like? http://imgur.com/6F6LYHA
You know how stupid you look when you respond like that and downvote his post when the guy has 6 years of experience with the game over you?
It shouldn't matter how much money you spent or how many hours you have in the game, break the rules after being warned and you deserve punishment. He assumes that everyone rages, which is just not true. Get mad, sure, but I don't rage in chat. If he wants to prove that he reformed, he should post the chat logs riot gave him.
I didn't say anything about money spent. He's got loads more experience with the game and you're here trying to say the community isn't bad, which is simply a lie.
I never said the community isn't bad? I said that not everyone flames, not "No one flames"
Fact: I was incredibly toxic during my first year. Fact: I have reformed and now my "toxicity" is limited to only a few bad games here and there, and usually in response to other toxicity (almost exclusively trolling). Fact: despite the fact that I am substantially less toxic, I still get banned with the same (or even possibly greater) frequency.
The problem is that once Riot flags your account (which happens after your first offense and lasts literally forever, as Riot themselves have proclaimed), you get banned for 3 offenses. Regardless of how spaced out they are. Example: my most recent reform card cited 3 games that occurred over a period of 3 months. 3 games in 3 months during which I played ~5+ games each day. Does this seem like a fair and balanced system?
Another issue is that Riot gives 0 fucks to the context of chat the ban bot deems "toxic". Example: I was once harassed extensively for playing pantheon support in a normal game, despite having literally asked the team if they were ok with it. It was clear that 4 people were going to report me for trolling, so I went into all chat to try to garner support from the enemy team and kindly asked if they would submit a report on my behalf, as I did not feel that my voice would be considered against the cries of the masses. I was banned within 5 minutes of that particular game ending, and it was cited in my reform card. So, despite me being victimized during this particular game, my chat was flagged by the ban bot as "toxic" and I was banned, even though my "toxicity" was an attempt to defend myself. Would you convict someone for fighting back against someone trying to assault them? Typically no...
Now, for the actually disturbing part: that ban occurred between the hours of 12 and 1am my time (so 9-10 rito time) on a weekend, meaning there was not a soul in Riot HQ save for possibly security or sanitation crews. This means that when Riot claims that "every case is audited by a player behavior representative" THEY ARE STRAIGHT UP FUCKING LYING. Banning is 100% automated (maybe permabans are actually audited, but I've never actually been permaed so I can't really speak to that).
Regardless, this system is heinously unethical, and Riot relies on people like you to systematically invalidate my voice with cries of
it shouldn't matter how much money you spent or how many hours you have in the game, break the rules after being warned and you deserve punishment.
and the like to keep actual criticism in check. They don't care about player reform anymore, and anyone who has run afoul of the current system knows that all too well.
I have always been chat restricted-free for 3 years straight.
However, I have taken measure to reform, and they have been wildly successful. However, I still get regular punishments.
And this shows a side where you're not being honest with us about your behavior. Just stop talking in-game.
The guy you're responding to has double your time played, and you don't play ranked. You really have no ground to stand on as far as how often a long time player would have been punished.
I've stopped playing the NA account ever since the Riots's base Chicago transfer, and continued my League career in Garena. This NA account is still Leaverbustered since last year February due to bad connection, but nonetheless, never a chat restriction or suspension.
Comms wins games. I play to win. This is not an option, nor should it EVER be encouraged by ANYONE under ANY circumstance. This is a social game, and to suggest this implies that you are anti-social. This is just the wrong kind of attitude to have in a game like this. Go play chess, you don't need teammates there.
And as for my honesty, I am being quite candid with you. I have improved my behavior dramatically. I used to tilt off the table if my team gave up first blood (hence the original flagging of my account was justified). Now, my "toxic" behavior is limited to a bad game every once in a while (and to say that you've never had a bad game effectively invalidates your opinion on this, as literally EVERYONE has bad games). The issue is, my most recent suspension cited 3 games in the reform card (which is the currently required number of games for a punishment). The three games occurred over the space of 3 months. 3 bad games in 3 months during which I played on average 5+ games a day. Do you see how ridiculous that is? Of course, you will counter this by saying "no, this is not how the system works". Well, on that note, I will cite this:
I have always been chat restricted-free for 3 years straight.
You know nothing about this system. You've never sent Riot a support ticket requesting info on a ban. You've never seen a reform card except for perhaps snippets of someone else's posted on these forums. You people make baseless claims without a shred of supporting information. I am giving you evidence, and literally the only thing I get in response is shit like "well clearly you're toxic". You people utterly invalidate the voices of anyone speaking out against this bullshit system with this prejudiced behavior, which is honestly what I believe Riot intended with the way they talk about "only 5% of active accounts get punished". Ya, and what percent of ranked mains get punished I wonder? I'd bet money that it's a hell of a lot higher than 5%...
Why does nobody think that this is an honest joke? (not OP's post, this monkey/bonobo's post)
Look at his other posts
It's not a joke, and shouldn't be taken as one. The issue is the fact that a few newbies are downvoting him because in 1 year they haven't been punished themselves even though his point is solid.
It's the new players who somehow have glass bones and paper skin who are ruining the community.
THANK YOU.
And I would argue that it's not really just new players (though I'm sure they contribute to this mentality). It's mostly the casual players that never/rarely queue up for ranked. Good luck finding a normal game that gets legitimately heated enough to devolve into true toxicity. Trust me on this casuals: when you are passionate about something, and you meet someone that disrespects that passion (ie trolls you) you. get. fucking. pissed. End of story. I pity those of you who fail to understand this, as it points to a complete lack of passion in your lives.
Lol I been here over 5 I ain't ever gotten a warning and I'm a chatty kathy.
lol iv played e time league for some time, not to much since my normal account got the ol boot'a roo but i still love league, just wont spend any more money on it--that said its its folks like you that cause other folks to react and rage that then trickles down into other games making more and more people mad till--->like what had happen to me--->get a month + of back to back people you just say "gg afk" after something dumb happens with like 80% of the time it not being a joke.
SO with that then said its safe to say those poor souls in the game where you got the flag for saying "gg afk" most likely just got done with a game where some assclown said Those very words and left and fu*k the whole game so their bar of tolerance is most likely very low.
is sad to say but every one nowa days has thin skin and its rare to have a game where every one is in good spirits and does not mind some silly smack talk between their counter-players, so if you must talk make a joke, if you get flagged just keep your interaction to simple "yes" or "no " if not just taking a break for a few days, mean there is no small handful of games like this one that dont even let you speak with other players (makes em more boring but thats just me... ) and AND even then you can just ignore folks that bother you...hard to bite your tongue some times but ... heh.
Bet hey, this is a Free to play game--more so if you dont like it or if it stresses you out just give up on it and leave for a bit then maybe dip a toe in it after a few months after spending silent games on smite and their assbackwards jungling ideals.
that said its its folks like you that cause other folks to react and rage that then trickles down into other games making more and more people mad
Demonstrably incorrect, as literally all of my "rage" is purely reactionary in nature to players either trolling or otherwise not taking ranked games seriously. But do go on an continue to make assumptions regarding my character.
SO with that then said its safe to say those poor souls in the game where you got the flag for saying "gg afk" most likely just got done with a game where some assclown said Those very words and left and fu*k the whole game so their bar of tolerance is most likely very low.
This statement makes 0 sense, please explain.
is sad to say but every one nowa days has thin skin and its rare to have a game where every one is in good spirits
Agreed, and this is a huge problem not just in League but in the real world, as well.
if you get flagged just keep your interaction to simple "yes" or "no " if not just taking a break for a few days
Here's the thing, there is no way to know if your account is flagged other than by getting banned for a seemingly minor offense (ie "gg afk"). Riot refuses to be transparent with how the flagging system works, other than ensuring that once your account is flagged, it is flagged PERMANENTLY. "A few days" of good behavior makes no difference. A few months of good behavior makes little difference. One of my more recent punishments cited 3 games that were each months apart. So 3 bad games in 3 months during a time when I played as many as 5 to 10 games a day, and somehow that shows a pattern? Hell fuckin no it doesn't. The fact is that Riot literally gives 0 fucks about reforming players. You could go from cancer to a complete pleasure to play with and maintain good standing for months and still have your account flagged, and in fact, Riot has stated numerous times that they PREFER to do it this way and that this is INTENTIONAL.
Bet hey, this is a Free to play game
That I have spent well over $100 on over my 5-6 years playing it...
I did not assume anything, if anything me and you are more alike than you may know so I can safely say I know what happen and how you reacted, its beyond annoying to have a rank game full of folks dicking around and then when you speak up and say something no matter how you say it they either ignore you or all jump your dick and report you, if not the back to back games full of folks that make you want to cleave your skull into the desk--So trust me when i say--I know...But thinking in Omission of your own self this reaction to folk being dumb or annoying or just outright painfully bad occurs massively on this game and then it endlessly weaves around the games.
As to what you say makes no sense i am making a point that once more--if you could think past your own self for a second, all the things that happen to you happen to other players as well but how each person handles it is vast. in that is safe to say some player get stressed and on edge and the very second they see what they start to know has the flags for failure they just spazz out--such as baiting reaction with "gg afk"
...happy to see another person that can agree bluntly with the creeping weakness of character and ego that seems to take over the world, bleeding into the gaming world.
And yes the some what confused way the system works is annoying, save for message tempting to spook you into being passive, the time frame that reports stay on your or really the over all nature of your account "health" are all to some end unknowns.
Game is free to play, you willing to spend money on it means riot did a good job in making a fun game. However...the f2p means riot Allows you to play their game as long as you play by their rules verses but backhand of that means to some end it makes it "cheap" as no money is sunk into the game to play even if you get banned you can make a throw away email and jump back on easy day.
I think some of the problem is this do or die style of thinking-- older accounts and ones were the player has spent money on the account or heck just accounts in general have a gun held to them and due to any kinda of reaction to other humans or failure, being the jungler every one reports etc etc can get your account and all the work you've put into it deleted makes you either give up on the game or troll it swearing to never spend money on it again.
if my old account was banned for a long time and riot punished me through taking ip, characters or runes but left my account id be like "oh damn i best dislodge my head from my ass or my poor account will be scalped to nothing and ill have to work to get it all back" but it was just banned forever so know i don't really care but still like the game, playing but never will i spend money on the game, giving it a good word to my friends but peppering in my dis-stain.
In short i feel your pain, this post is your scream after having so many games with players that make you want to just quit it but then you have put so much time and energy into it you don't want to leave it.
Thinking that Not banning the account as a whole but taking things from it as a punishment would help if some one got reported with compounding effects for folk that get reported a lot would keep that attachment to the game through the account, but maybe that's just me.
You can't be banned for a single offense and the reason why you think that isn't true is because you clearly see "GG AFK" as your only offense. How about you give us all your chat logs and we'll see if there's anything else "hidden" in that context that you're not sharing?
Being passive-aggressive is also an offense.
I was though. This was in season 5, before the current behavioral system iteration (which now requires 3 games, or an obvious racial slur, death threat, etc). I requested the chat logs for which I was banned. The logs contained a single game, during which only one line was highlighted as toxic, and that line was "gg afk". I didn't even afk btw, so it's not like I got slapped with a leaverbuster. Also, in your effort to invalidate my voice (which is exactly how Riot wants you to respond to such protest btw), you seemed to miss a very crucial detail: a single offense earned me a 14 day time ban, a 20 game chat ban, and a 10 game ranked restriction. That penalty was cited by Riot themselves as a punishment reserved for hate speech, PLUS A CHAT AND RANKED RESTRICTION. I was literally treated worse than someone who routinely told other players to kill themselves, or threw down racial slurs regularly. If you can't see how foolish your argument against me is after this evidence, then Riot truly has corrupted your sense of justice.
a single offense earned me a 14 day time ban, a 20 game chat ban, and a 10 game ranked restriction.
I really, really, really, really doubt this. It depends on how serious it was but if it was all about "gg afk" once, this didn't happen. You'd have to provide the evidence of that fact or else you can say pretty much anything and spin it however you like but it doesn't make it true. I don't believe that because this sounds extreme for basically, nothing. "gg AFK" was never punishable with a 14 day ban, 20 game chat restriction and 10 games ranked restriction, all at once.
If this was your attitude in most games you played, then it clearly shows passive-aggressive attitude towards your team when things start going bad. Then your punishments would start accumulating from starting chat bans, then to ranked game restrictions and then (if this doesn't stop you), to 14 day ban.
I don't know what to tell you but Riot never did punish players for something they didn't do. Mistakes and oversights happen on rare occasions but if that's the case, you should always contact Riot Support and try to resolve such issues.
All I can tell you is that it really, really, really, really did happen. At least this was the only case of "toxicity" present in the chat logs provided by Riot. Is it possible that I had other games in the past year and a half since my last ban? Absolutely. But the fact is that i got A 14 DAY TIME BAN, 10 GAME RANKED RESTRICT AND 20 GAME CHAT RESTRICT SIMULTANEOUSLY. During season 5 when this happened, the 14 day ban was reserved fairly strictly for cases of extreme verbal abuse, racial slurs/hate speech, and death threats (ie not what I did).
We need to post this on the front page of Player Behavior
EXACTLY take my upvote
Only PB&M dudes will fully understand this.
To be fair, they do bury the cop-out that they can ban you both for any reason or without reason in a paragraph of text.
And that, of course, allows them to ban people for what, in 2017, is considered normal behavior for online games. The ESRB has known that people are going to be jerks online for decades, and have rightfully chosen to claim for every single rating that online interactions are not rated.
League has the strangest position as both the game with the most toxic community due to the fact there are so many players in one game and you can type either with or without hurting your own gameplay, and the game with a ban system that will punish players ruthlessly despite the much more enabling environment.
Unless its a popular streamer then they check on it and sometimes actually lift it even though "there is nothing we can do it is not a mistake" then they lift it
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BeatzBoyFTW
Incredibly passive aggressive meme and you're taunting people. You seem like a perfect candidate for a ban, and it's "holier-than-thou" people like you who disgust me. Find a bigger self within yourself that you don't need to get your jollies from making fun of other peoples shortcomings. Likely these people know they have anger issues, likely they don't want to have them, and you don't know what they have going on in their lives. it is not for YOU to judge them or poke fun at them. I can deal with people who have anger issues, but people like you... people who make fun of others issues while putting yourself on a pedestal? You I take issue with. Sicko.
You're literally inflaming the issue. Your post does nothing but make these people angry and cause pain. That's what you want to see people get banned for, right? So you're just as bad, only you're worse because you hide behind self righteousness and pretend to be better. Get back in the gutter with the rest.
That is all!
I feel so identified with that image, I swear these ranting threads are quite amusing.
Which is probably why they'll just continue doing what they're doing. Don't get me wrong, some people are off the handle and will never have anything valid to say.
But then there are others who have been chat restricted here and there, who have a lot of experience with Moba's and the type of communities around several ones that get treated that way.