Make it Work! (An Off-Role Thought Experiment Game)

Uberphish··5 votes·1,726 views

So in preparation for Team Builder's release, some friends and I laughed about how we needed to queue up with some of the worst possible champ choices for our lanes we could think of. I came up with a 'worst case scenario' type team for laughs, when suddenly people started defending my picks as semi-viable! Obviously, this meant we needed SCIENTIFIC TESTING! We grabbed as many friends as were online at 1am, resigned ourselves to a pubber when some decided sleep was a valuable commodity (the weaklings), and queued for bots.

What followed was some of the most fun I've had in bots games in a LONG time. Our team Comp was as follows:

Bot Lane:

Lissandra ADC! (and me!)

Tryndamere Support!

Mid Lane:

Zac Triple-Pen AP Mage!

Top Lane:

Yasuo This was our pubber. Kind enough to put up with our shenanigans, but was testing out the champ normally.

Jungle:

KogMaw Full Tank. Never die, explode when you do!

Things were silly, but with the unfortunate exception of Tryndamere, we found that there were some serious, interesting benefits to our off-the-wall choices. ADC Lissandra? Amazing mobility and built-in Zhonya's for safety. Saved my behind and netted me more kills than I probably deserved (highest score in the game, what what!)! Mage Zac? That amazing engage meant that the backline were dead in a hurry, and his passive was really good backup if things didn't die quickly enough. Tank Koggie? Percentile damage, armor shred, and a built-in AS boost. He was actually the main threat of the game! I just sniped a bunch of kills because it was bots and I was being a bit bloodthirsty.

So now it's your turn, if you're interested in shaking up the meta! Pick a role/lane/playstyle completely unsuited to a given champ. Got something? Cool, now tell me how you can make it work. What part of that champ's kit might actually make them work far better in that position than you first thought? What items could be twisted to work for that role while still serving your champ's needs in ways people might not have thought of? If you've got some friends, test out an 'idiotic' team comp like our and see what you come up with!

25 Comments

Steamy Bro3 votes

Urgot Armour Shred Tank Support

You effectively build the exact same (item 3042 ,item 3110 , item 3071) but with a Support item (choose based on the situation, possibly even item 3092 ) and a sightstone. In terms of playing him as a support you can harass the enemy with ease, slow them, reduce their damage (passive), shred armor, and stun one of them for a second or two. You also can destroy people in fights and give amazing peel for your adc, because death is the best CC.

Uberphish1 votes

I... think I need to try this. I mean, minus the Cleaver that's more or less how I build Blitz, but I do love me some Urgot and the lane harass would be incredible! I like the way you think, sir!

Courier Eight1 votes

Thank you my friend, I thought I was the only one to see the glory of Support Urgot. Almost brings a tear to my eye...

:'D

Tyliear Depraw1 votes

lol i do that alot, just not your build, check my record, its quite good

ArtoriusIV2 votes

TwistedFate mixed carry bot

you focus on AS to get your E up often, and use that paired with a gold or blue card, to almost one shot their ADC, from there use CC from gold card, or your sup to finish them off. item 3087 and item 3124 are great items on him, item 3115 helps make the mixed work with his basic attack, item 3078 just makes him hurt all around,and to finish it item 3157 . Yes, you build Zhonya's on an ADC.

Uberphish1 votes

Not sure if that exactly counts as a 'silly' build, though the Zhonya's is certainly an interesting idea... I remember in my first year of solid playing I saw TF in the bot lane fairly frequently. Rarely played /well/, but he was a common enough pick. That does remind me that I need to play more TF, though... :P

ArtoriusIV1 votes

it is a fun build, and not such a common thing for him to be bot anymore.

Uberphish1 votes

Makes me wonder if Team Builder might help to bring that back... He was really hampered by his short range, I think, and as Cait + Leona (and eventually Thresh) lanes came into prominence he just couldn't keep up anymore. With the right team to compensate and a decent chance the enemy team is playing something a bit off-meta, though? I think he could survive.

ArtoriusIV1 votes

yeah, but now with more laneswith Ez, jinx, and Sivir, he stands a much better chance, and with a sup like annie or morgana, heavy CC, he can destroy someone pretty quickly.

Steamy Bro1 votes

You can also get item 3085 if you want, it lets you stack up your e almost instantly.

ArtoriusIV1 votes

that is the role item 3124 fills, while giving me AD and AP. plus it's unique passive. Overall I find that the rageblade has more going for it.

atomick1 votes

I don't know about a whole team comp, but I've played as Shen with my buddy as Lee Sin at bot lane quite a few times, as well as Elise with Lee sin. Both of them work extremely well. Eleesin has a better early game but the mid-late game dive potential of Lee Shen is incredible. So far I've played about 5 of each and we've only lost one.

Uberphish1 votes

Status Update! Just ran a AD Ryze/Support Tank Vi bot lane against a Jinx/Thresh. We won lane easily. Open your minds, people. The Meta is naught but a veil over your eyes!

Courier Eight1 votes

How about support Viktor? With item 3197 and full cooldown reduction, he's throwing out those gravity wells like candy during teamfights. Use everything else to harass, procing that item 3303 at huge range with his Death Ray.

Uberphish1 votes

The laser-poke would probably be really nice down there, as would the shield-granting poke, but Gravity Well is a bit shorter range than some... It's be great if it worked, but it'd be a hell of a risk. Not to mention it's a lot of his supporting utility wrapped into a single ability, so once its on cooldown the enemy has an opening. Things to consider...

I imagine the damage output in that lane would be phenomenal, though. I'll add it to the list of things I need to try!

Courier Eight1 votes

But here's the magic thing- Augment Gravity enhances the range of his well, as well as giving cooldown reduction on its own. It is a one-trick pony support build, but considering the well lasts about five seconds and it's only on cooldown for about seven, you can use it a lot from the back lines during a team fight.

(Although if it's enemy Yi or Olaf you're pretty much done for regardless- at least his ultimate persists even after he dies!)

Uberphish1 votes

Heh, yeah, those two might cause some problems... But I had forgotten about the range boost! I'm one of those philistines who always goes for Death because I'm a DoT fanatic, but I need to remember that Viktor does actually have other options :P

Meatybag1 votes

The one thing I cannot make work in any possible way, shape or form is Janna . Can not go mid since I get smashed, cant go top because I get smashed, cant go bottom since I do nothing, cant jungle anymore because I no longer have an E to use, and that leaves the adc and that is clearly laughable. I would rather pick Olaf as the adc instead of Janna to the point that the new phrase for a champion that is nerfed past playability should be that they were Janna'd instead of Olaf'd.

The challenge here, is that I need to be convinced that Janna is actually useful in some way shape or form now, and I really don't care what role/lane just give me something. I cannot make it work, but maybe some of you can. Before lich bane was nerfed because it lost tsm a match in the lcs, I could use janna anywhere and be competitive in most any situation or matchup. Now I just get run over repeatedly everywhere and it makes me sad.

Uberphish1 votes

Not sure what your usual lane preference is, but have you tried playing Janna in top? Whether you went AP for crazy tornadoes or AD since her shield would be a free steroid, she has a lot of good tools to interrupt ganks and her ranged AAs would allow her to CS against some of the more aggro melee top laners.

If you went AD, I could see her doing pretty well with a Tri-Force or Iceborn Gauntlet. Shield someone, proc damage. Slow target, proc damage. Knock up enemy team, proc damage. Her values even when building for support mean her abilities should scale well enough to be useful on top of their utility even if your build weren't the 'normal' route.

PlatonicMistress1 votes

Personally? I want to try Cassiopeia as the ADC. If you can land a poison on someone, you can spam your E to destroy their health. I also think her W would be a good zoning tool. Not sure what kind of support you'd need to pull that off...

Sir ArmaMalum1 votes

Oooooo I have so much fun with 3:00am ideas for champion roles.....let's see, stuff I've made work.....

Lissandra Jungle

Build item 3206 item 3191 item 3136 as quick as you can, boots where you can. Max W first for higher damage and root duration. Abuse the passive and never give up blue. The ganks are amazing, especially on bot lane, and the teamfights later are even better. Although I'm bias because Liss is one of my favorite mages.

Anivia Support (With Vayne or Poppy)

Get a chalice quick, max wall first, make sure Vayne (or Poppy) can pin people with the wall. It does work, and if done right it's beautiful. Anivia can also hold a turret for eons if needed with her ult so great for when your getting bum-rush pushed.

Cassiopeia Jungle

Farm, Farm, Farm, Farm, Farm, Farm, Farm, Farm, Farm, Farm, Farm, Farm, Farm, Farm, Farm, Farm, Farm, Farm, Farm, Farm, Farm, Farm

Vayne Jungle

Lot of armor with runes and masteries, get SS of the Lizard. Only do if you're comfortable landing Condemns. Great for counter jungling after you've gotten some traction (i.e. not lvl 1).

Pantheon APC

Nuke with the stun, nuke with the ult, do teeny tiny crits to finish. Work for nothing but stacking AP to make those two abilities hurt as much as possible. Lich Bane required.

Katarina Heimerdinger Bot Lane

Build normally, jump to heimy turrets for an escape, harass with your manaless Kat and enjoy supp heimy's passive. Only really good in normals because of a normal bot-lane's lack of early MR.

Vauren1 votes

I have tried the poppy Heroic charge into the wall thing and sadly it doesn't work :*( You both pass right through the wall. Same thing happens with Vayne's condemn. It's not technically terrain, it counts as a large minion that can't be targeted or do damage. Basically her wall is a huge creep block. Wish I could say otherwise.

Crysomere1 votes

Leona fuck tanky support, how about mage? you can play her top mid or kill lane, her stuns make it so the enemy doesn't hit back for a while at the same time as you dish out assloads of damage.

the build: start item 1029 and item 2003 (anditem 2044 if going bot lane)

build into item 3047 and rush item 3146 . after that get item 3100 and item 3089 , than finish it up with item 3128 and item 3115. there you go, dish out damage all day everyday as Mama Leona.

Steamy Bro1 votes

Nunu Another cool thing to try is AD Bruiser Nunu, works better in the jungle. You can run pretty much anything in terms of masteries as normal, same for runes. However you build Feral Flare into Trinity Force. Then you should look at their team for what to buy in terms of boots, items, etc... An example build against a team with a Xin, Miss Fortune, Thresh, Zed and Mundo/Shyv would be item 3160 item 3078 item 3262 Oritem 3282 item 3165 (for CDR and reduced healing on Xin and Mundo)item 3143 and item 3153

This build means that you can keep your W up 24/7, use your E often and be extremely sticky to people. Also slapping people is fun. Unfortunately, like normal Nunu usually gets rather underwhelming later in the game and your massive power spike earlier on will be almost nonexistent at this point. Although you may still be able to 1v1 their Carries and win.

Elemon1 votes

I recently played a game as Ashe support with Thresh ADC... We actually did really well in lane (partly because their ADC was a poppy (though they had Twitch jungle))... I was going for item 3022item 3050item 3085item 3250item 3071item 2045 because it let me deal fairly good damage while applying a 65% slow to 3 targets each autoattack (and shredding their armor) as I boosted my allies' AD and lifesteal... I'm pretty sure we only lost because of pizza.

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