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The Red Warden19 votes

It is somewhat like how Lee Sin mains will bit-- non stop about anyone who even comes close to his power level, yet will defend to the death that Lee Sin is balanced.

2 much sauuuce3 votes

You can argue this point after Lee Sin gets over 20 nerfs in a row. Kthxbye

Taryn19 votes

This is currently my favorite picture on the internet.

Avios13 votes

Return of Monty Python, Best Movie Ever.

RiotKindlejack1 votes

I wish there was a movie called Return of Monty Python, come on Cleese!

lDontLiftIcarry8 votes

that should have nami and thresh not leona and thresh./ Nami is sona 2.0 obviously.

Señor Karthus7 votes

Upvoted for truth.

Hard Penetrator6 votes

Sona "buffs" on PBE, praise the lord you have some serious power now.

Base HP  increased to 497.6 from 482.36
HP Per Level decreased to 70 from 77 -?
Base attack damage increased to 52.04 from 50.04
Movement Speed increased to 330 from 325
Base mana regen reduced to 1.6184 from 1.8 - ?
Mana regen per second per level increased .13 from .08

Any Sona mains feel like they were slapped?

maikokk9 votes

i like the base AD buff, bc i played sona mostly as a hybrid burst damage carry mid/top with item 3078 item 3087 item 3031 after she was nerfed into the ground as a support.

cFlame3 votes

LOL RIOT BALANCE ^

L7xLoTek3 votes

Man... I want to see/try that

Pika3102 votes

Mm, that brings back memories. Most of which are still new.

I said 6 months ago she's more viable at AD now than support, this AD increase will solidify that even further.

chickdan5 votes

Less mana regen on an already mana hungry champ, feel like yet another nerf to me!

Nucleophilic atk1 votes

Do you even math?

cshakes5 votes

I'd like a better auto animation. She just sits there for an idiot before finally producing a golden toothpick at you. Or a higher base attack speed.

The mana regen nerfs are dreadful, though. I hope that Riot's buffing her mana costs a bit later in the cycle.

maikokk2 votes

thats a mana regen buff actually. unless you only care about lv 1 values

Pyrokineticmage4 votes

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thats a mana regen buff actually. unless you only care about lv 1 values

And then you realize mana is useless when you die in 3 AAs due to the health nerf.

Jubbinaut1 votes

Specifically, it will create better mana regen as of level 5 (because I got bored and curious):

  • Level 1 - (pre) 1.80 vs (post) 1.6184
  • Level 2 - (pre) 1.88 vs (post) 1.7484
  • Level 3 - (pre) 1.96 vs (post) 1.8784
  • Level 4 - (pre) 2.04 vs (post) 2.0084
  • Level 5 - (pre) 2.12 vs (post) 2.1384
  • Level 6 - (pre) 2.20 vs (post) 2.2684
  • Level 7 - (pre) 2.28 vs (post) 2.3984
  • Level 8 - (pre) 2.36 vs (post) 2.5284
  • Level 9 - (pre) 2.44 vs (post) 2.6584
  • Level 10 - (pre) 2.52 vs (post) 2.7884
  • Level 11 - (pre) 2.60 vs (post) 2.9184
  • Level 12 - (pre) 2.68 vs (post) 3.0484
  • Level 13 - (pre) 2.76 vs (post) 3.1784
  • Level 14 - (pre) 2.84 vs (post) 3.3084
  • Level 15 - (pre) 2.92 vs (post) 3.4384
  • Level 16 - (pre) 3.00 vs (post) 3.5684
  • Level 17 - (pre) 3.08 vs (post) 3.6984
  • Level 18 - (pre) 3.16 vs (post) 3.8284
cshakes3 votes

I doubt the post-5 increase will eliminate her mana-hungriness, and I don't know whether the mana regen given by items is calculated from the level 0 'base' value or from the champ's current regen. If the latter, cool, if the former, oh no.

Pika3102 votes

Basically, all you need to know is she'll have less mana during laning. They're making her most crucial moments even more difficult. Both less harass and sustain simultaneously with this 1 nerf.

maikokk1 votes

% mana regen is based on current base mana regen, so the same mana regen items scale better as you level up. i have always started double charm, ward, potion as support sona to get me through the first few levels. sure you lose some gold, but you increase your chances of feeding the ADC which is the entire reason you exist.

on the other hand, support sona hasnt been viable for a long time.

cshakes1 votes

K, ty.

Support Sona is still viable in team 5v5, and I've had considerable success with her. (Haven't tried her this patch, though.) I suppose that the trick is to wait until the enemy support's picked, and not pick it if it's something disgusting like Blitzcrank.

Miku Hime sama1 votes

Considering she's a support, of course she cares about the early values. There's a reason she had the same mana pattern as Janna and Nami, cause it was necessary. Changing her to a mid-laner's mana style is a blatant nerf.

Nucleophilic atk5 votes

Lol, I totally agree with both pics.

Sirin Gioro4 votes

+1

As a Nami main, please replace Leona's pic with Nami lol I used to main Sona and Nami + Sona nerfs happened

Redcadaver3 votes

As a Sona main I try not to dwell on those problems. Instead of matching power for power you have to use your wit. Believe me, nothing feels better than hearing the words "Its stupid that Sona is so OP"

Leti the Yeti4 votes

Now, I'm not a sona main but I havent found any witty ways to use an auto targeting spell that's as simple as pressing a button ;l

Salzigorimando1 votes

People spam her q because it's the most rewarding ability to use on a ** feel's good ** level. All her other abilities just kind of happen and aren't exactly noticeable, (Ult being the exception of course).

Heal's: Riot hates them. All heals are unworthy to exist alongside lifesteal, so it gained a shield, a weak one. And does anyone use the powerchord version? Regularly?

Speed up: Haha, sure, it's useful, it can save the day, it can win the day, but it just doesn't feel good to use. Not even the powerchord.

And so they Q. They always Q. It gives an aa buff to their ally, and hits two enemies and it gives visual feedback that you did something. Even the powerchord version is noticeable, since it's so simplistic.

Pika3101 votes

Mathematically speaking, her Q offers the least reward and lowest potential in her kit per individual cast, but after taking mana cost and cooldowns into the calculation, it's way more efficient than W. Speaking of, W has been watered down so heavily that it's less than 1/5th the overall effectiveness it had pre-4.13.

I could say E is technically the best of her 3 abilities, but what would be the point? It's just pure MS, it doesn't really "do something" if you know what I mean. In other words: it's boring.

Emmy Cha0s19 votes

As an ex-Sona main, nothing felt worse to me after 4.13 than to see my abilities reduced to flashing lights that don't have effects.

The only "witty" way to play Sona now is to pretend you're a caster minion and auto-push bot lane endlessly. Unfortunately, real caster minions are more useful than Sona, so you may as well build Banner of Command, Zzrot Portal and that 1 elixir nobody uses, to support your superiors. Aka: the minions.

chickdan2 votes

At first I thought the new auras in 4.13 were a huge mistake but back then I was a Sona main so I was able to get used to it and I actually started to enjoy them. But every patch since then where she has had changes have been nothing but nerfs. I feel like she isn't viable anymore unless it is late game and you are on the winning team (more gold more items). Needless to say, I haven't played her since three nerfs back.

Demonsolder214 votes

LOOOL you should hear the new players "Omg sona is so OP" xD!

Pika3101 votes

Ah, so green. So naiive. I pity them and knowing their dreams will soon be crushed too.

If they're lucky, they'll stay bronze 5 forever where they can be all like, "Omg, Taric, Rammus and Fiora are so OP!"

SlackerboyTC2 votes

You know who is more oppressing? Jarvan poke

Jeddy0171 votes

I honestly don't see it. Am I Lee Sin or stupid or both?Am I missing something?

EDIT:I guess I should elaborate for people.I don't see how Sona is so oppressive in lane.Annoying?Yes.Oppressive?no.

Leti the Yeti10 votes

I guess the people that lurk around the meme section is completely different from the ones lurking around gameplay balance lol

Cale0172 votes

You realize that this explains a solid percentage of the issue with the community, right?

bananaman3131 votes

Wow, didn't know Sona was secretly a man

Leti the Yeti1 votes

What a wonderful time to bring this back with the new sona ult skin and all.. lmao

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