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OHminus8 votes

How to enjoy playing support

Ivern: play jungle instead

Nymzo7 votes

How to enjoy the support role in league:

Laugh at the support role from HOTS

Trap or a Trick8 votes

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How to enjoy the support role in league:

Laugh at the support role from HOTS

hots's support role is trillions of times better, you actually feel impactful, weather its from higher impact ultis, a chart to directly show how much healing you've done, or that every support has a viable damage path, unlike in league, where youll get flamed for not buying a support item, or a sightstone

Lyndris1 votes

i just get an eye, an ardent, then go full aps (sona mostly)

Nymzo11 votes

Until you realize that all supports (except Tass) are designed to have a heal, are forced to always have Cleanse no matter what for those that have it and are flamed if they don't pick it.

And Blizzard doesn't know what to do with Tassadar.

TeCoolMage2 votes

just go medivh and pretend to be bard :^)

play all the specialist heroes instead of the actual labelled supports

Ralanr1 votes

Oh god...even Stukov has a heal...

The Leo Cat2 votes

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hots's support role is trillions of times better, you actually feel impactful, weather its from higher impact ultis, a chart to directly show how much healing you've done, or that every support has a viable damage path, unlike in league, where youll get flamed for not buying a support item, or a sightstone

Part of it is that the support roles have so much utility built into them by default. And the heals are actually meaningful in most cases. Here it's like a heal always needs to be a clutch. Because you're only restoring one punch to the face every six to twelve seconds.

Report Evelynn1 votes

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How to enjoy the support role in league:

Laugh at the support role from HOTS

I thought it was funny

lofi n chillhop6 votes

ngl the vayne is 24/1/2 and the nami is 1/7/12. by that records, the vayne's skills were more imperative to the match than the nami's. a death really is quuite bad, there is a reason you're looking 2:1 take down ratio. the vayne in this came is 26:1 while the nami is in fact, less than 2:1. the nami fed this match and should not feel proud for carrying, but instead humbly looking to why the vayne died only once and trying to find ways to repeat that performance. There are certainly quite a few things the nami did right - and she should be proud for those. but she should look to improve (lessen) her death count.

please understand I do not say this as any sort of "x main" or "y main" in fact it may be true i mostly play ashe, but as aplayer I think like a tank and should play maokai all the time but don't. and I say this both as an ashe and as a maokai - playmaking is good, but playmaking without deaths is better. I work to get to that better, it is keeping me back that I can't get it. I need to be like that vayne, but instead I am like that nami.

RookPusher28 votes

What you're missing is that the Vayne lived because of the Nami. And if you don't understand that, I can see why you don't get the message of this thread.

Supreme Senpai6916 votes

The message of this thread is a meme. It's a play off the meme "I made this." "You made this?" Then the second person takes it and says "I made this." In this case, the support IS bad and is just stealing the Vayne's credit to make themselves feel better about playing support.

But for the sake of argument, yeah, a support's KDA isn't everything because a lot of times you'll die to save the ADC and that isn't a score that is measured positively.

Deep Terror Nami24 votes

I'm gonna make it easy; you can look at it multiple ways and still be right, as long as it makes you chuckle.

Supreme Senpai6911 votes
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khorney1 votes

no one cares

AMYS GRAVE4 votes

You cared enough to post about it.

AwesomeGuyDj9 votes

people dont realise how much the support does. Yeah, the adc does the dmg. But who got them fed? the support. Sometimes the support spoon feeds the adc. Like, thats litterally how i felt earlier when i played alistar, w q knockup to hold ashe in place. Ez just auto's/q's on the ashe who's in one place.

khorney1 votes

supports pretty much do nothing. Let me explain to you a fantastic supp cant caryr a crap adc, a fantastic adc can carry a crap supp so what does this tell you?

AwesomeGuyDj5 votes

It tells me that your a bad player who doesnt realise the strength of a good redemption or locket, or the strength of a good blitz/thresh hook or that winning lane is a cooperative effort between the support and adc, the adc needs the supports help 9 times out of 10.

khorney1 votes

Umm sure what ever you say. A good adc will carry a lane with a bad supp it cannot happen the other way around

Bacef1 votes

i am a shit adc. I can get carried by my supp. It's really not hard, esp if it's thresh/blitz/leona or some other supp with crazy high kill pressure

khorney1 votes

again it rarely happens due to ur supp going in and u running away from free kills ? whose fault is that.

pixelvoxel1 votes

You're trying to say that "shit adc" is the same as "brain-damaged moron who wants to lose." No one does that unless the supposed free kill is a 7/0 Riven.

A bad ADC can get carried constant heals and shields, flash Janna Q/Ult to peel, Thresh lantern, Blitz knockup, Leona breathing, Alistar knockback, Tahm Kench vore, hugification, Morg bind, and that's all just stopping death. The bad ADC may usually be the one getting kills (ignoring mage supports) and doing the damage, but the support sets them up for each kill in lane and some out of lane and protects them from the enemy team and themselves. KDA and graphs will never show this.

khorney1 votes

Keep telling yourself that. Bad adc is a bad adc and will leave you to die and not help seen it in dozens of games. What your describing is a decent adv you cannot carry a bad adc, a good adv can carry a bad support

lofi n chillhop1 votes

I understand that too. But if that really were true nami wouldn't have 12 assists with vayne's 24 kills. I would expect within two standard deviations she'd have between 17 and 22 assists. if the nami saved vayne, she would get assists for her triple kills and double kills each time, and she probs had a quad or penta that game, or two. to end a game with 1 death in solo queue showcases a quick game, or someone like dyrus who's skill level is way higher than his surroundings some games. and even then those games are about 25 min usually tbh. which- this also would then mean that nami died in every play she was in.

The KDA records show that vayne did a lot of work when nami wasn't even present, and that the nami was actually a risk to vayne's playmaking, who was getting free assists for vayne's good calls. that is the story that KDA pairing showcases. it would be true if that vayne were a jungle or top or mid, or if that nami was any other role too.

don't get me wrong I 100% agree with you that supports are very underappreciated by a lot of supports. but as an AD who very often is aware of how much a support can carry me in some lanes, in fact in some matchups I depend on it - it bugs me that those KDA ratios do not show a story of a good support, but rather one who is unaware of how hard they make the game. they get good games like with that vayne and think they're all that, but then don't realize that they could be doing a better job of supporting other adc's who aren't as good as that vayne. such supports are As dependent on a good ad as I am on a good support, and so are likely stuck in some elo hell just like me. it is difficult to find my mistakes and I am sure you have the same blind spot - it is only human. consider this an attempt to help encourage you to keep looking for that blind spot 'cause finding new ways to improve is rewarding as hell :D

aspects12 votes

if it was some tank support maybe, but as nami, you literally press 1 button on vayne and you will get an assist evey time she does damage. the fact that she doesnt have at least 20 assists means that she wasnt with vayne the entire time, keeping her alive, which means vayne kept herself alive the most nami did that game for win the lane for vayne

Swood Grompet1 votes

If Nami won the lane early game for Vayne, that's literally a free game

khorney3 votes

Nami cant carry a bad adc a vayne can carry a bad nami

ZaneShadow1 votes

I've gotten a double kill from opponents at 1/2 ho while my adc tucked their tail with equivalent and ran. Nami can't carry late true, and she can't do it solo, but forget an adc carrying solo either against 1/2 competent support.

aspects11 votes

she can tho, and nami cant the only way nami kills anyone is if the enemy shes facing are tower diving her at 100hp each but if all you supports want to keep going around thinking your the carry, your win rate will tell you just how wrong you are

ZaneShadow1 votes

And this is why support lux is still a thing.

aspects11 votes

same with zyra, brand, and velkoz

khorney1 votes

That's my point. You cannot carry a bad adc,. I've had many a adc more or less carry the lane due to the adc making the plays and me helping her. That's still the adc making the plays not the supp.

aspects11 votes

i never said it wasnt, im saying the nami didnt do her job late game, and vayne peeled herself if the nami was doing her job, she would have had more assists

Catastrop2 votes

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the most nami did that game for win the lane for vayne

Are you trying to say that this isn't the best thing possible for a Vayne? That's basically a free game if Vayne isn't a potato.

aspects11 votes

i never said it wasnt, im saying the nami didnt do her job late game, and vayne peeled herself if the nami was doing her job, she would have had more assists

ZaneShadow3 votes

Your right she wasn't there the whole time, she was at fountain, reviving after taking a fourth jhin shot, or an ash arrow, or spending her speed boosting passive on Vayne rather than running herself.

aspects11 votes

then she should have the assists to prove it its 13 seconds afterwards, all kills vayne got would mean an assist for her since she doesnt have that , she was off getting picked in the jungle, while vayne was trying to fight 4v5

Partholonian2 votes

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What you're missing is that the Vayne lived because of the Nami. And if you don't understand that, I can see why you don't get the message of this thread.

The KDAs are wrong for that argument though. Every time Nami saved Vayne's life then died while Vayne got a triple (or whatever) Nami would be getting just as many assists as Vayne got kills.

Switch the 12 and the 24 (so Nami is making plays with the whole team, not just Vayne) and it would make more sense.

Sp33d Zer01 votes

The thing is that nami had a very low assist number for what we can assume was a 35-45 kill game based off the number of kills vayne got + there being 3 other teammates in the game

FilDaFunk2 votes

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but instead humbly looking to why the vayne died only once and trying to find ways to repeat that performance.

You mean because the nami probably distracted 3 enemies to let vayne run?

please understand I do not say this as any sort of "x main" or "y main" in fact it may be true i mostly play ashe,

I hope I never have to support you

lofi n chillhop1 votes

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I hope I never have to support you

the felling is mutual. I've had to play with two or three supports like you this was no fun at all. fucked up my line, complained about me when I was 0 deaths and they 3. then went and roamed all game fucking up jungle's and mid's games too, with their poor initiation, map awareness, and skirmish capabilities. toxic all game too. arrogant as fuck.

FilDaFunk1 votes

All that from 21 words...

ShovelShepherd6 votes

Don't you just love when everyone takes a meme seriously http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/staf.gif

Velzard of Koz4 votes

Velkoz I don't KS as Support, I just precisely research my enemies to pass the data to my ADC.

AgeOfTheMage3 votes

For a second I didn't read what section it was in and got hopeful seeing it was by you, rip, good meme tho.

Skins Project2 votes

It easy. Find gud adc o wait

Sambers2 votes

You don't...

khorney1 votes

no here is the guide, be drunk or get high then always have in the back of your mind that you WILL get blamed for losing no matter what, 85% of the player base hates playing this role. Hence why its always autofilled. You try to have fun by say playing brand or ap morg or something similar and you get reported

Demon King Maou1 votes

You meant to say AUTOLOCK TEEMO amirite? Flashes mastery 7 ;)

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