Riot Games when creating the Tutorial

Shadòw·Jun 12, 2016·75 votes·4,703 views

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hoes and bowsJun 12, 201623 votes

I remember playing about 10 games of tank Draven, don't think it was because of the tutorial, but it was still funny though

ShadòwJun 12, 201620 votes

I began each game with MissFortune with an item 1027 because i always ran out of mana quickly by spamming my abilities...

Good old times xD

Vistha KaiJun 12, 201610 votes

item 3115 on Syndra , because I sucked at CSing, not knowing I could spazz around cancelling autos.

ShadòwJun 12, 20163 votes

the good old time when Syndra was still useful item 3070

Vistha KaiJun 12, 20164 votes

She still is.

There's just so much bullshit running around, you can't always get a fair matchup.

Nah, I'm biased after Sithis-knows how many hundreds of games with Syndra.

MelledoneusJun 12, 20165 votes

I remember when the ideal starter item against her was boots to dodge her abilities. Because she HURT.

Vistha KaiJun 12, 20163 votes

At least thanks to the AP ratio buff on Q, it can be used to last hit minions.

MelledoneusJun 13, 20163 votes

Yeah. Funny how her auto is better damage than her level 1 Q lol.

ShadòwJun 12, 20165 votes

i think she is in a pretty weak state since 2 years already. She is in the bottom 10 winrates since 2 season.

Imo there is no reason to pick syndra over any other midlaner.

let's take Veigar as example as both do pretty much the same job.

But Veigar does it better. He has a better stun and even more Damage than Syndra

Vistha KaiJun 12, 20161 votes

Now that's just taking it too far.

First of all her burst, especially with last change, is much higher and more accessible than Veigar's (who needs to ult a low HP tank for full effectiveness, durr). Two, her stun has lower cooldown and she's much more liberal about using it. Third, she has better AoE capabilities.

What makes Veigar's winrate higher is his obnoxious lack of interactiveness with Q farming, I suppose.

Battlecast SonaJun 12, 20161 votes

Veigar's winrate will probably always be higher because of his infinite scaling. Most of your points aren't technically wrong, but Syndra will eventually stop scaling at six item cap whereas Veigar can continue to farm AP as long as he wants. With the most recent patch giving him AP for tagging enemy champs with spells it's also much more accessible to him in a poking/sieging scenario, giving him strength in a situation he was already good in thanks to his W and E.

Syndra is an early/midgame spike champ - her spike at 6 and as you hit max rank on each spell is pretty good. But Veigar will always outscale her, and it's harder to secure games early atm unless your team groups up to take towers. She's definitely good, but Veigar has much less reason to do anything in the early/midgame cause he can sit on his lategame power until he gets 3-4 completed items and just start decimating everyone, regardless of how many kills he got early on (as long as he's farming AP properly).

ShadòwJun 13, 20161 votes

Veigar can actually oneshot a target when he gets it in his E.

Syndra still needs work done around her q's so she gets a good ult off.

While Veigar scales better and his E is a huge Zoning Tool. He is just way stronger in the current meta than syndra

Vistha KaiJun 13, 20161 votes

Nope. With 35% CDR and level 13(maxed W) Syndra can walk around with 3 balls ready at all times.

Maximum damage ult is basically 2 clicks at that point: Q-R.

Not Too SeriousJun 13, 20162 votes

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i think she is in a pretty weak state since 2 years already. She is in the bottom 10 winrates since 2 season.

Imo there is no reason to pick syndra over any other midlaner.

let's take as example as both do pretty much the same job.

But does it better. He has a better stun and even more Damage than Syndra

It's kind of funny, this was also true in the past, but in the exact OPPOSITE with Syndra being a better Veigar XD

The LexerJun 12, 20161 votes

item 3085 item 3083 Lux - I needed attack speed for csing and the triple shot thing is real nice as well, then I needed tankiness because, well, you could survive longer, and I died too fast!

Hyrum GraffJun 12, 20161 votes

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- I needed attack speed for csing and the triple shot thing is real nice as well, then I needed tankiness because, well, you could survive longer, and I died too fast!

Runaan's aside, building a defensive item on any squishy if you're getting popped is a good idea. People unfortunately do not realize this.

RendarkanJun 12, 20162 votes

Soraka item 3083 item 3065 is actually her recommended listing on the Howling Abyss.

Faceroll TacticsJun 13, 20164 votes

I see a lot of soraka players doing the distraction build - full tank in the backline so she can heal for the longest time before getting popped by the Rift's pedophiles that love sneaking up on weak women ( Talon Shaco Zed Rengar Khazix Renekton )

RottedApplesJun 13, 20161 votes

Khazix : "Ready to rape"

RottedApplesJun 13, 20161 votes

i actually did build tank lux once as a support. i was an ok cc bot, morgana would have been better.

KnoyleJun 13, 20161 votes

XinZhao item 3031 item 3009 item 3153 item 3072 item 3006 item 3143

Pre level 30 lyfe.

trash sionJun 13, 20161 votes

Yup. I used to build Yi, Xin, and Jax full Crit/AD/AS. So many hydras and IEs.... dark times.

SneakosJun 12, 20166 votes

I used to build item 3068 on Malzahar so that if they ever got near me, they would just die.

AlleoJun 12, 20165 votes

I used to max E on Draven because I thought it was my only ability that did damage.

manbearswineJun 13, 20161 votes

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I remember playing about 10 games of tank Draven, don't think it was because of the tutorial, but it was still funny though

I miss building thornmail on zyra.

Stupid thornmail changes...

CeexSettJun 12, 20169 votes

I remember one of my first games, I used to build every item for the needs.

I was playing KogMaw .

I saw his ult had a high mana cost, so I built item 3003 . I saw he scaled with AD and AP, so I built item 3146 . I saw he needed to attack fast, so I built item 3046 and item 3006 . I saw he needed AD, so I built item 3031 . (And another item I dont remember).

Can't forget that game.

Stand in my XJun 12, 201614 votes

that build is actually not THAT bad

CeexSettJun 12, 20161 votes

It works because I was something like 15 kills ahead the enemy team, but normally wouldn't very much work.

Faceroll TacticsJun 13, 20161 votes

It's really expensive and the archangels is more of a late game item, whereas Kog's strongest powerspike is mid game.

CeexSettJun 13, 20161 votes

Yup. Of course with enough gold it could work, but on champions with mixed scalings every item can work.

CrazFight Jun 12, 20167 votes

I used to think that teemo had a major bug... because when I pressed E nothing would happen. It was not until months later I realized that some abilities you don't need to press for it to be active.

DrCyanideJun 13, 20161 votes

Sounds like a major bug to me. When was the last time a champion was released or reworked with a passive only ability?

Sozan5Jun 13, 20163 votes

Gnar.

5000000000000000Jun 13, 20161 votes

Debatable. Mega Gnar can use all 4 abilities.

Sozan5Jun 14, 20162 votes

In this case, either Aatrox (he can toggle between 2 different passives though) and if that doesn't count then Varus.

LostFr0stJun 12, 20164 votes

You need an "s" in your title OP, we have two tutorials, one on Howling Abyss and one on Summoner's Rift. The Rift one doesn't suck.

MelledoneusJun 12, 20161 votes

Wait, there's two...?

invisiblecat1Jun 12, 20161 votes

I don't remember playing the second one either

Alex ThroweJun 12, 20161 votes

The second one was against intro bots that would advise you to stay behind minions to attack towers and such. It was against very bad bots. I remember playing it, but it may have been just added recently.

LostFr0stJun 12, 20163 votes

Nah it's not that bad for a new player. For us it's pretty corny though :P It was added when the new rift was made, and if you go along with it instead of smashing through it it's pretty relaxing.

RottedApplesJun 13, 20162 votes

Chogath item 3101

this is a legit build right?

ahh the good old days of being a noob.

AMYS GRAVEJun 12, 20161 votes

Did you know

they have you build thornmail on ashe so that you cant die to the minions.

5000000000000000Jun 12, 201610 votes

You can't get killed by anything in tutorial. You basically get a tryndamere ultimate the entire game.

AMYS GRAVEJun 13, 20161 votes

It didn't used to be that way.

LostFr0stJun 13, 20161 votes

You can't die on the Howling Abyss one, you can die in the Summoner's Rift one.

DeynaTaggerungJun 12, 20163 votes

That made sense until they added in the feature where you can't actually die in the tutorial. At that point you may as well change the item too

AMYS GRAVEJun 13, 20161 votes

very true.

ModCaptainMårvelousJun 12, 20161 votes

That's very cute, assuming Riot would actually talk about a new tutorial when Tryn said they don't need one.

DarkRitualJun 13, 20161 votes

They don't need a new basic tutorial as much, but some of the needed skillsets should absolutely have a tutorial available. Last hitting Basic minion wave control (lane freezing mostly) Jungling Kiting Warding and map awareness.

All of these things could realistically be done with bots programmed properly.

LostFr0stJun 13, 20161 votes

Last hitting is contained within the second tutorial. As is the killing of jungle camps, not the practice of jungling though (that would be 3 hours long if they did that).