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Jarvan could be both more satisfying and less broken if you would just change his ult.

Annie C Hastur·9/29/2013, 3:36:17 AM·1 votes·787 views

His ult is the reason that he's such an issue; you've got a worst case scenario 0 second cc, and a best case scenario 5 second CC. You are then forced to balance his kit around both scenarios, so it's strong enough to be useful in worst case, and weak enough not to be totally overbearing in best case. It's failing at both. The champion is way too strong against people without escapes, and not so much against people with.

Some suggested changes to make it less binary follow.

  1. Make his R truly impassable terrain, and nerf the duration to 1.5 seconds.

  2. Take away the terrain change, and make it a 2 second stun, or slightly longer snare.

  3. Take away the CC completely and make it a nuke.

  4. Make his R truly impassable terrain, keep the duration, but prevent outside interference from affecting the arena.

All the above would make the spell less binary and allow nerfs and buffs to be more intuitive.

4 Comments

Hashii9/29/2013, 6:04:19 AM3 votes

I think making it truly impassable terrain is the one fix everyone wants. A good J4 will land that ult in a way that helps his team. A bad J4 will land that ult in a way that hurts his team. It requires skill to use correctly and that isn't a bad thing. Duration doesn't need a nerf though. Especially a 1.5 duration? What good can that possibly do? The point is to keep them in one place, or force them to burn an ability to get out.

JackAqua9/29/2013, 3:58:53 AM1 votes

I like idea 1) most. But 1.5 seems a tad weak. You'd have to test out the durations in a Beta environment to find the correct duration.
But I also like idea 3) everyone likes nukes. ( -> DAMACIAAAAAAAAA !!!!!! )

Pryotra9/29/2013, 6:24:22 AM1 votes

I personally think it's actually his flag that just gives him a bit much in the way of free stats, and spreading some to his team too. Not to mentions its a pretty good finisher/harass on it's own.

Just adjust his flag and fix the terrain. I've caught an entire team in my ult as J4, only to have 3 walk out, vayne tumble out, and lee dash out to a team mate. Not cool.

Ixioran9/29/2013, 7:27:59 AM1 votes

Musts:

-Truly impassable terrain

Ideas to toy with:

-lowering the duration from 5 to X seconds and adding in an X second snare the diameter of the Cataclysm to temporarily prevent movement spells and Flash which are otherwise used to make his ult a non factor. Either the snare, or just straight up disable any abilities which transport champions X units. Jarvan also cannot E-Q or Flash out of his own ult.

That's all I got.