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Give us Oracles Extract on Summoner's Rift if you remove Oracles

Cameryn Kyre·11/21/2013, 3:08:37 PM·5 votes·1,123 views

I really don't see the wisdom in removing Oracles. Pink wards have been made very vulnerable and the only other true sight we have comes from sweeping lens, which requires us to see the ward/traps placed or have the intuition to blindly scan with decent success.

***My personal fix ***to this problem would be to buff the persistent true sight on Greater Sweeping Lens to 15-20 seconds and reducing the cool down to 90-120 seconds. With two of those on a team (perhaps 3 against an excess of stealth mechanics) would be reasonable checks and balances.

We need more access to true sight, a massive rework of numerous stealth based champions, or a sizeable buff to the persistent true sight from Greater Sweeping Lens... I mean we're paying more than an Oracles worth of gold for it anyway to serve as our replacement to Oracles... 10 seconds every 3 minutes is pretty minuscule.

Without Oracles Extract or some substitute I don't feel I can ever afford to let Evelyn or Teemo through bans... And Twitch... Twitch is manageable so far... I think... But honestly the vision overhaul and access to true sight leaves me feeling incredibly vulnerable to Stealth mechanics... especially dealing with Evelyn early on in the game.

~Cam

7 Comments

Solan Stonewhip11/21/2013, 5:59:41 PM1 votes

they will re-balance it, we'll see what happens. it will be interesting.

ieyasu sengoku11/22/2013, 9:35:21 AM1 votes

i play eve alot and i get w\hy if she gets fed ive gotten a 3 hit pets wit w only... the enmys positioning was bad so i hti all of them per q.. and orcales extract is botu same and oracles...

Silly Jess11/22/2013, 5:00:49 PM1 votes

I had the same concern when I understood how the warding and vision will now work in Season 4. The map feels a lot more open, and stealth champs seem to have the upperhand in outplaying an enemy champ. At least you were able to anticipate getting away before, especially stealth junglers caught passing through the river. Now it feels those few seconds of seeing a stealth champ coming down the river are as significant as ever. They will easily remove the ward, or camp a lane because of how much easier it has become to remain unseen.

Rhyto11/22/2013, 6:21:49 PM1 votes

Maybe they'll just remove Vision Wards and reduce the Oracle's Elixir price down to 250 and the duration be cut in half or something similar

nitroes11/23/2013, 4:01:26 AM1 votes

Just faced a teemoTeemo and he put shrooms everywhere. my team was winning at the other team's last turret but because of those shrooms and there isn't an actual way to remove those shrooms fast and efficiently because the oracle lens is on a 180 sec. CD so it would take us FOREVER to kill the shrooms

powertbone11/27/2013, 8:54:52 PM1 votes

agrees with the oracles there is no way to counter those champs anymore, I understand they were trying to get rid of the ward wars, so why not rework the oracles to only work on champs because it is extremely important tool to have when facing stealth champs. also make the pink wards invisible again I strongly disagree with making them visible

zerker612/1/2013, 5:37:26 PM1 votes

Yeah this is getting out of hand. Teemo's mushrooms are now unbelievably strong since there is NO way to detect them without facechecking them. Plus with the ward limits, teemo is able to provide a ton more vision for his team than the oposing team can deal with. He can essentially place 10-15 out before they start disappearing. Put them on a shorter timer, make them visible like the vision wards or give us the ability to sweep more often. The sweeping trink is nice but the cooldown on it is just too long even when fully upgraded. Its been a bit since you've introduced these new mechanics and I loved the ward wars tbh they were fun. But seriously Riot, did you not even think about your stealth champion mechanics when you reworked your vision.