Reposting this from support ticket: Dear CertainlyT

Paula Sheen·Sep 24, 2018·5 votes·1,269 views

I just posted this as a support ticket, the person responding agreed with my sentiments:

How did the akali rework get approved, I genuinely want to know. Her true stealth is by far the most uninteractive and unfun mechanic that has every been added into this game. I have been playing this game for more than 6 years now, and the game has had some changes that I have disagreed with on varying levels. There have been so many things added into this game that were annoying to play against, but still manageable, but akali's true invisibility takes everythint to a whole new level. What was even the point of reworking invisibility and camouflage if this was going to be implemented into this game. Every single mechanic in this game has some sort of counterplay to it so that you can manage playing against it, but not this one. Akali's true invisibility is unfun because there is no way to interact with it. She can dive under towers with no consequences and pick fights with taking virtually no damage. There is no way to remove her stealth like with other champion's stealth abilities. She is beyond annoying to lane or just play against because as soon as you try to fight he she becomes untargetable for what feels like forever. I play with a larger group of other players and they all feel the same sentiment when it comes to this champion. She also has the highest ban rate in the game right now so it looks like other players feel the same way. I'd like to know if anything is being done to address this issue (especially the issue with her stealth). Thanks for hearing me out.

18 Comments

SugeMinPikkSep 24, 20185 votes

lol

ModWulf HelhammerSep 24, 20185 votes

For the last time people:

HER SHROUD IS NOT TRUE STEALTH

It never was, it never will be, and stop repeating a meaningless fear word that does not apply in the slightest.

True sight and towers will still reveal her, with complete active location information (not a delayed red flicker like you get from Oracles with other champions under Invisibility). All it prevents is you directly clicking on her. And seeing as it's easier to list the champions without skillshots or ground targeted damage then to list the ones with, the problem of "can't click her" is pretty small.

Also: you want to know the biggest counter to Akali's shroud? Walk away. That's it. Her shroud is confined to a set ring, and barely expands after casting it. Just walk away, and the big scary stealth can't catch you.

Paula SheenSep 24, 20183 votes

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For the last time people:

HER SHROUD IS NOT TRUE STEALTH

It never was, it never will be, and stop repeating a meaningless fear word that does not apply in the slightest.

True sight and towers will still reveal her, with complete active location information (not a delayed red flicker like you get from Oracles with other champions under Invisibility). All it prevents is you directly clicking on her. And seeing as it's easier to list the champions without skillshots or ground targeted damage then to list the ones with, the problem of "can't click her" is pretty small.

Also: you want to know the biggest counter to Akali's shroud? Walk away. That's it. Her shroud is confined to a set ring, and barely expands after casting it. Just walk away, and the big scary stealth can't catch you.

Just walk away is a horrible and unfun way to implement an ability into the game. There is no fun or exciting way to play around that ability and you just proved it by saying that.

ModWulf HelhammerSep 24, 20182 votes

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Just walk away is a horrible and unfun way to implement an ability into the game. There is no fun or exciting way to play around that ability and you just proved it by saying that.

Want to know the easiest and best counter to Illaoi?

You walk away.

Heimerdinger, Zyra, or Shaco nests?

You walk away.

Caitlyn trap wall? Anivia zoning? Ap Maokai in a bush?

You. Walk. Away.

Paula SheenSep 24, 20183 votes

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Want to know the easiest and best counter to Illaoi?

You walk away.

Heimerdinger, Zyra, or Shaco nests?

You walk away.

Caitlyn trap wall? Anivia zoning? Ap Maokai in a bush?

You. Walk. Away.

Those are all examples of abilities you can dodge. You can't just dodge akali's stealth when she uses it under your turret and becomes untargetable. Do you honestly think that new akali's stealth is a healthy mechanic for the game?

ModWulf HelhammerSep 24, 20182 votes

[{quoted}](name=Paula Sheen,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=7gruFavL,comment-id=0004000000000000,timestamp=2018-09-24T03:42:38.990+0000)

Those are all examples of abilities you can dodge. You can't just dodge akali's stealth when she uses it under your turret and becomes untargetable. Do you honestly think that new akali's stealth is a healthy mechanic for the game?

Really? You can dodge a Heimer zone? You can dodge an Illaoi ult? Or a Caitlyn trap? I didn't know that. Surely you must bestow this knowledge to the masses.

Yes, it's healthy, because as I said: IT'S IN A CONFINED AREA.

It's a requirement for her to actually get her passive off, which is where most of her damage is loaded. You don't want her to do that? Then you have to scale up the base damages on her abilites, which makes her even stronger when she's ahead, and I'm sure that's exactly what you want.

Paula SheenSep 24, 20182 votes

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Really? You can dodge a Heimer zone? You can dodge an Illaoi ult? Or a Caitlyn trap? I didn't know that. Surely you must bestow this knowledge to the masses.

Yes, it's healthy, because as I said: IT'S IN A CONFINED AREA.

It's a requirement for her to actually get her passive off, which is where most of her damage is loaded. You don't want her to do that? Then you have to scale up the base damages on her abilites, which makes her even stronger when she's ahead, and I'm sure that's exactly what you want.

It might be a part of her kit but why not the same stealth as old akali, that at least made sense, but now there is no way to pull her out of it. I refuse to believe that she is a well designed champion and that the """true""" stealth is healthy for the game. Being able to zone with abilities is fine, but making an ability allow you to be invisible in half of the lane and under turrets is not a fun or interactive ability in any way shape or form.

ModWulf HelhammerSep 24, 20182 votes

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It might be a part of her kit but why not the same stealth as old akali, that at least made sense, but now there is no way to pull her out of it. I refuse to believe that she is a well designed champion and that the """true""" stealth is healthy for the game. Being able to zone with abilities is fine, but making an ability allow you to be invisible in half of the lane and under turrets is not a fun or interactive ability in any way shape or form.

You aren't invisible.

You can't be clicked.

Those are two entirely different things.

Also, she's only unclickable under tower while she's just moving around, which is an absolute waste of her only utility ability that has a long cooldown is a requirement for actually utilizing her kit.

Paula SheenSep 24, 20181 votes

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You aren't invisible.

You can't be clicked.

Those are two entirely different things.

Also, she's only unclickable under tower while she's just moving around, which is an absolute waste of her only utility ability that has a long cooldown is a requirement for actually utilizing her kit.

"Shes only unclickable while moving around" - why wouldn't she be moving around. Have you ever played this game?????? As any champion you are constantly moving around. Why would she just pop shroud then stand still inside of it.

ModWulf HelhammerSep 24, 20182 votes

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"Shes only unclickable while moving around" - why wouldn't she be moving around. Have you ever played this game?????? As any champion you are constantly moving around. Why would she just pop shroud then stand still inside of it.

If she attacks anything, she’s revealed. Use any spell, or actually do anything other then just walk or stand still, the shroud does nothing.

GraeSep 24, 20182 votes

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Want to know the easiest and best counter to Illaoi?

You walk away.

Heimerdinger, Zyra, or Shaco nests?

You walk away.

Caitlyn trap wall? Anivia zoning? Ap Maokai in a bush?

You. Walk. Away.

you.dont.play.this.game

ModWulf HelhammerSep 24, 20181 votes

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you.dont.play.this.game

By what metric?

KazmurakSep 24, 20183 votes

100% agree with this.

Yo Daddy ZileanSep 24, 20183 votes

I personally like the new akali compared to the old won

UnboundHadesSep 24, 20182 votes

New akali is the same champion with more windows for the akali player to be skillful and for you to outplay her but people won't stop bitching about it since her w let's her be invisible to turrets when that's the only thing fucking different about it compared to her old one in terms on stealth and this one doesn't give her a free blink along with having a lower duration if she isn't going in and out