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Realistically speaking: Is "Cull" Worth it?

ZenithEevee·3/26/2018, 9:13:27 PM·2 votes·12,293 views

TLDR: i'm bored and wanna do mathy stuff while i'm sitting here doing bumfuck nothing because my relatives are over, And i'm just saying Cull is a shit item for early game.

Now, Cull item 1083, Has been in the game for... A while now. But I rarely see it as an item.. Nearly anyone picks.

So, After a bit of calculation, Some time, And some questionable studies on "Time > Gold" Efficiency, I've come to the conclusion.

Cull costs 450 to get, And gets you 7 damage and 3 health on hitting with basic attacks... Not exactly good stats, But in the early game it'll help in a pinch.

Now, 7 damage is worth ~245 gold, And the 3 health is hard to translate to gold worth, But its useless outside of really passive farming.

Now, Lets assume you have God like farming abilities.. And dont miss a single CS in just your lane.

so, 100 minions. Lets do a bit of calculation

Minions start at.. what, 1:15? And by the time they hit the confrontation area of the side lanes its.. ~1:35 ish.

And minions spawn in waves of 6 (7 for canon waves) every 30 seconds..

Now, Because canon waves spawn in wonky alternative pattern, We can calculate their spawn somewhat effectively.

Botlane starts first canon wave (I think), So, for botlane the calculation will look like:

7+6+6+7+6+6+7+6+6+7+6+6+7+6+6+7 = 102

Again, Assuming you missed 0 CS This will lead you to (Roughly) Gold 2046 With culling, You get an extra 450, Then once you sell it, Another 180. So, Roughly, At the end of your encounter, You'll have 2676 gold, And no items.

Now, With this calculation, we can actually see how much extra gold you get.. Per second.

So, Starting at 1:35, And only accounting for Minion gold, You get: ~334 GoldpM With Cull And 256 GoldpM Without Cull.

Thats roughly a 80 GoldpM difference.

now, Ofcoarse realistically speaking, The numbers are going to be Dumbed down quite a bit because not everyone is a CS'ing god, So take this with a heap of salt.

But, Final conclusion.

Is it worth it?

FUCK NO

you're still going to have a statistical disadvantage for those 8 minutes (Realistically speaking, If you start with cull, Its going to be damn near 15 minutes) of farming, And i mean a statistical value that will fucking ruin your lane.

item 1055. +1 more AD, +80 health, And a scaling Life steal (Down to it, Realistically speaking you're not going to get much healing from Dorans Blade.) item 1036 +3 More AD, And enough gold to buy a 3rd pot, Or even just a fucking item 1006 (note: beads are useless for most ranged champs)

And, Again, You're going to be at a statistical disadvantage, Because you're basically saying "If i do anything but farm, I'm going to lose whatever advantage i may get from this item)

Also, That 80 GpM Lead i mention? That going to be Significantly lower.. And only continues to get lower, Every Single, Second.

So, Seriously.

Just buy a item 1036 or item 1055 instead. Sure, You're going to lose out on like.. 280 Gold.. But at most, You can buy a bead and 2 pots with that.

12 Comments

Variable Æ3/26/2018, 9:21:46 PM4 votes

I thought the idea was to get Cull if you're forced to back with only enough gold to buy it and not anything more useful, not to start the game with it.

AmetDeCrypt3/26/2018, 9:20:43 PM1 votes

wait cull is still in the game? I thought they removed it due to mojo suckage.

Calamitosus Cini3/26/2018, 9:23:20 PM1 votes

realistically speaking realistically speaking reallisically speaking realistically speaking realistically speaking........

Vei3/26/2018, 9:39:54 PM1 votes

unfortunately, you assumed in this scenario that people started Cull first item

... but every time I see Cull, it's usually bought after the first back, when someone already started dorans or other items xd

they don't use stats as a reason for cull, but just rather a bit of catchup gold

however despite all of that, I don't like cull at all

L9 Solo 7/15/2019, 3:30:44 AM1 votes

I believe you are missing the point of the item. When you play smart you want to maximize everything Cull is better because it gets you into your real items quicker. In the game coming back up half an item after your first back is the biggest advantage you can have or even an extra health pot. both items cost the same and sell the same but the cull refunds your all of its purchase price for a net of 180 gold instead of a loss of 270 gold.

Support Evelynn7/15/2019, 3:35:00 AM1 votes

Health on hit is better than lifesteal in the early game, typically.

Bastilean2/8/2020, 2:03:32 AM1 votes

I take cull into weak lanes. If they start with Senna or kaisa... it's free farm cull time

Kythers3/26/2018, 9:20:28 PM1 votes

just buy item 3047 pieces

Inkling Commando2/8/2020, 2:30:36 AM1 votes

i think only thing cull is good for is helping you improve your cs. you need 100 cs to get the 350 bonus. so let's say each minion is 25 gold with every 10th being a cannon minion worth 75 gold. meaning that is 2250 gold from lesser minions and 750 from cannon minions. add an extra 1 gold from each one, including the final one giving 350, that's 3450 gold from minions alone assuming you drain the cull to the last point. after it is empty it is worthless. and since the cull is not a jg/sup item it can be used along side them.