Is Garen just for noobs?

IncognitoMercy·Jan 27, 2018·1 votes·1,796 views

I've only actually seen beginners play Garen but he looks quite powerful. Is he a good champion to play with even as you get higher up or is he more of just a beginners champion?

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Critmaster GarenJan 27, 20182 votes

hes easy to pick up in general. he has more mastery to his kit than many people want to admit or even realize, but still not as much as some other champions.

hes one of the worst champions in the game at high diamond, and its exceptionally hard to get past diamond with him. only two people made it to masters last season by 1 tricking garen.

the upside is, that hes still pretty good into mid diamond, and this patch hes currently like rank 7 top laner.

also, the two people who made it to masters with him last season used absolutely entirely different builds. one of them basically went full tanky garen, and the other with a carry build.

IncognitoMercyJan 27, 20181 votes

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hes easy to pick up in general. he has more mastery to his kit than many people want to admit or even realize, but still not as much as some other champions.

hes one of the worst champions in the game at high diamond, and its exceptionally hard to get past diamond with him. only two people made it to masters last season by 1 tricking garen.

the upside is, that hes still pretty good into mid diamond, and this patch hes currently like rank 7 top laner.

Okay, thanks for the help! Would Nasus be a better top laner then?

Critmaster GarenJan 27, 20181 votes

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Okay, thanks for the help! Would Nasus be a better top laner then?

theyre both almost equally strong this patch. so unless youre playing at master tier or above, theyre both decent and it really depends on your preference.

theyre playing very different from one another though, and there is no reason not to play both actually.

id highly recommend to play them especially in the lower divisions or as a new player. the thing with mechanically simpler champions is, youre less focused on trying to perform well mechanically with the champion and can focus more on the strategics of the game, and learn to get better at the game instead of just getting better at one champion.

Dokueki KenshinJan 27, 20181 votes

Short Answer: Generally speaking, yes.

Long Answer: It depends. Garen is a champion that is what’s known as a Fundamentals-based character (taking a page from fighting games). He’s one of those characters that are mechanically quite simple but are powerful if the players have strong fundamental skills in the game.

GBay99 actually released a video about what he learned playing Garen for like 30 games or something. You should check it out.

IncognitoMercyJan 27, 20181 votes

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Short Answer: Generally speaking, yes.

Long Answer: It depends. Garen is a champion that is what’s known as a Fundamentals-based character (taking a page from fighting games). He’s one of those characters that are mechanically quite simple but are powerful if the players have strong fundamental skills in the game.

GBay99 actually released a video about what he learned playing Garen for like 30 games or something. You should check it out.

Okay, thanks!

Nut on my ButtJan 27, 20181 votes

I remember Westrice climbing really high with Garen in like S4?

That was a long time ago tho

Bael the RiserJan 27, 20181 votes

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I remember Westrice climbing really high with Garen in like S4?

That was a long time ago tho

Forget S4. What about that Atma's Impaler build for Garen on the TSM site back in Season 1/2?

LennJan 27, 20181 votes

Garen's ok. He's hard to peel so he's a nuisance in teamfights and not worth poking later on due to his passive. He makes a good wall. My issue with Garen is that for a tank he doesn't bring much CC so I see Garens more distracting an ADC out of a teamfight and just forcing the support to try to peel rather than actually locking them down so the team can take them out. Imo, something like Mao'kai or Illaoi will generally bring more to the table for a team, and something like Trundle takes carries out better.

Regardless, he's definitely a fine pick if you know how to play him.

AudhulmaJan 27, 20181 votes

There used to be a high diamond streamer who played garen almost exclusively, so it's not like he's impossible to do work with, but he's generally considered a noob champ because his simple kit makes him more likely to be kept down. He has fewer outplay options, less skill expression, less utility, he won't carry dead weight allies even if he has 15 kills, and Riot is far less likely to buff him or allow him to be widely viewed as 'strong' because he's so simple.